Dear Ralf, I found your observations about my being, "not out there, but right here', very interesting. Of course I was focusing intently on you, while thinking of what I would write. I have thought of how close I feel to our Maui group, but my next thought was that I was creating this feeling myself, and had no reason to think others would feel the same. Could this have to do with the intensity of our experiments?

I hope others who are interested in another experiment in January. When I mentioned "a good lucid dreamer', I was thinking of someone who had lots of lucid dreams. I think some specific focus would be helpful.

I am thinking of Lucid Mutual Dreaming. Betty

Betty, I surely think, this feeling relates to our ongoing relation, our engagement for the experiment, which is searching for new ways to be in contact. Yes, who will be that one? Are you the ONE? I'm just too shy to suggest myself as the target, but I would very like to do it. I would suggest to materialise in MLG, our dining place and give you a certain sign, do something special, wear something special or so. But nonetheless I will try to see all the other Maui dreamers, who are "there".

What do you think?

Ralf

Aloha, Maui Dreamers (aka MLG reunion dream planners),

Ralf, you have my most enthusiastic vote!

;-> Keelin

Hi Keelin and fellow lucids

Thanks for your vote. This night I worked on the continuous awareness again. (After having a break of a week or so due to my cold). I had a good - too good - motivation. I think I didn't sleep for the first three hours. I had but a short moment of lucidity. My motivation emerged from a phone call by one of my osteopathic teachers. He asked me what I do all the day and I had to confess, that I work much on dreaming, lucid dreaming, less on osteopathy. It showed up that he was very interested in the subject, what surprised me. We came to the thought to work on the link between (lucid) dreaming, emotional release and the release of certain kinds of (obstinate) muscular tension / dysfunction. Nothing very precise now, but the idea to go into an interesting exploration. This will be part of a written exam for my osteopathy course. I can't say that much now, but I'm looking forward to this thing. It is another good motivation to learn to get lucid at will.

Sometimes it pays off to talk about my lucid obsession...

Yours Ralf

Hi

I've had occassional snippets of lucidity and just got my NovaDreamer yesterday and will be trying it out soon. I've been having a recurring tornado dream for as long as I can remember. It finally stopped after a tornado flattened my hometown and damaged my parents home (who still live there). I was a bit freaked out by that, but almost two years later, they're back. Anyone use lucid dreaming to resolve recurring dreams?

Hi, Wendy, welcome! -

This is mostly my intuition talking: First of all, I doubt you need to worry that your current tornado dreams portend another actual disaster. When my son was little we carefully taught him what to do if there were an earthquake or a fire. We had lots of earthquakes when he was little and they were really pretty dangerous, as we lived in a very old stone house that was put together with mud instead of mortar - often we'd lose a wall or two, along with books and dishes falling down, etc. But we never had a fire, and my son had recurring dreams about having to run out because the house was burning down. Maybe it's as if the mind feels compelled to rehearse the event that it's taught to fear, and if it gets to deal with it in real life, it doesn't so much need to in dream. This would fit in with your dream giving you a break after there finally was a tornado....

Anyway, recurring dreams are a great opportuniy to develop lucidity becuae you can recognize it and say to yourself, "Oh, it's this tornado dream again!" That's how I first got lucid as a kid - for some reason I kept dreaming about a full moon that was so big it was scary, until I started saying, "Oh, the moon dream again!"

Idea: when awake, do whatever induces deep relaxation for you and then let your mind enter into an imagined tornado dream. Be aware of all the events and emotions but observe them with a degree of detachment. Notice any recurring elements that could cue you to recognize this as another tornado dream, while you're still in it. Resolve that next time, you will recognize it. See what comes to mind as a way of making it turn out OK - some really novel and unexpected idea might occur to you in this process - and resove to bring that about in your dream.

Good luck! Maybe we should move this conversation to somewhere else (out of the way of the Maui people who usually occupy this space, though I'm sure they'll have ideas and encouragement for you too) and we'll all be interested to read your success story.

Joy

Thanks Joy

I've recognized my tornado dream as a dream a long time ago but have never been able to maintain lucidity long enough to alter my paln of action which is always, "oh, here we go again. Ok everyone, down to the basement." I'm pretty bored by it--until it happens in real life--that's when I freak out. There have been instances where the threat has been serious enough to head for a lower level and I am VERY nervous and kinda scared. Perhaps it spured these dreams after the first such trip to the basement when we were kids. I grew up in Wisconsin so it was a rare event. Now I think they may be brought on in times of stress. It's hard to tell sometimes. My goal is to maintain lucidity and jump into the storm! Or do some such crazy thing. I'm very good already at remembering at least one dream a night and have recently had a brief moment of lucidity where I saw a bright light and said to myself, "Bright light! Reality check." Looked at my hands, saw they were there and ran them thru some foliage and was disappointed by the lack of "magic" and fell out of lucidity. I've been practicing reality checks after reading about some suggestions waiting for my NovaDreamer to arrive. I think the bright light was instigated by my husband accidentally turning on a light near me after I was asleep. I'll keep you posted about my progress. Thanks again for your reply. I'm very excited about lucid dreaming. As I've stated earlier, now that I've thought about it, I've had many brief episodes of lucidity, but have been unable to maintain it for an extended length of time. I think I'm ready for it

Wendy

Hello Ralf. Regarding your post of 12-16-01, I am finally getting back to this computer. I am sorry I haven't gotten back sooner. Do the reasons really matter?

For our upcoming experiment, if the one person, specific place is chosen as a format, then I think you are the ideal "target". You keenly interested, and want to find out if mutual lucid dreaming possible. Please lead the rest of on. I am not the one, for lucid dreaming is still eluding me. After the holidays, my intentions are to focus on our experiment.

I haven't read very much about MLD. If others have had experiences or read of any MLD, I sure would like to hear about them. In Stephen's conversations, with RMN and DJB (I don't know who they are.), "Awaken the Dreamer", he said, "I consider it to be theoretically possible...." RMN made reference to Alaskan shamans who claimed to have visited other shamans in sleep. (dreams?) Surely the Buddhas have looked into the possibilities.

Go where your dreams take you, and please take some of us with you.

Betty

Hello, Dreamers:

Nice to hear from you all. When is the next dream meeting going to be , people? How about early morning USA time? I would love to try it...

I had a lapse for the past couple of weeks, but managed to have two brief ones last week...

@Ralf: On our dream visit project.I did try flying through the planet again, but, as often happens, was so excited about being lucid, I awoke soon into it.

zzzzZZZZ"I'm Dreaming of a white Christmas" z z z z Joe

Joan

Thanks for seasonal greetings. Hope you and Jerry will dream in our experiment again.

Betty

I'm very glad, that you and some Maui dreamers take part in this experiment. And I'm glad, that I can somehow "keep you on the dreaming toes". If that is the effect, I'm satisfied. Hope I'll succeed in prolonging and stabilising my LDs and performing the experiment. Regarding mutual LDs: I'm very cautious regarding links to other web sites. I think, every forum runs its own ways and has worked much on different subjects. I don't want to "steal the flame" of anyone's thoughts. With this in mind I recommend Linda Lane Magallon's Website. She has done good work in mutual dreams and has written a book on the subject, too. I still haven't read the whole site, but I certainly will read her book. I haven't yet found a forum linked to her site. She sometimes posts in the Lucid Dream Exchange. I really don't know where to discuss her findings and don't want to discuss her findings here in full length. This is the link to her website: http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html

Joe

Feels good to know, you are still trying to look in the fridge. Hope, you are fine. Just browse through the last postings regarding the new setting for the Maui experiment.

Happy New Years Celebrations for all of you

Yours Ralf

Hey, Ralf

I'd like to hear what you have to say about Magallon's material; I think an appropriate place to post it would be under the "Synchronicity, Precognition, Remote Viewing, Space and Time" heading, which is under the category "Peasearch, Theory, and LI Experiments" in the main menu.

Dear Adastra

Thanks for your interest. You quite often read the LDE and post dreams there, so you might know Linda's works better. I have to engulf her findings firstly and then I'll post a few lines. The thing is, I'm not certain if I should post it on this forum at all. We'll see...

Yours Ralf

LDE? wonderingly, Kate

Hi, Kate

LDE - Lucid Dream Exchange - is a wonderful not-for-profit newsletter published quarterly in a free email/web version and a printed version which costs $4. It consists primarily of lucid dream reports from those who subscribe to it, though it also publishes articles, reviews, poetry, interviews etc - all lucid dream related of course.

To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange, send a blank email to:

TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://groups.yahoo.com/

The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams.

Dear Maui friends,

I've been buried under an avalanche of work before the 3 week trip to England from which I have just returned, therefore can authoritatively confirm that if you take your mind off LD it ceases to happen. I hope to devote at least some of my attention to it again in this new year, and therefore look forward to contributing some semi-useful stuff to the forum. Maui remains fresh in my memory - as do all the good people I met there. Happy new year.

Alan T

Hello, fellow LD'ers...

Alan..I, too, have been distracted from my LD'ing...

It is so inspirational to read about the success some people are having lately...

I wore the Novadreamer last night, and recall missing a clue/flash ia a dream..and actually taking off the mask during a dream (DUH-OH)!!!

It is so thrilling when it does happen..Perhaps tonight!!!Yes...

zzzZZZZ(Has anyone seen the movie "Waking Life"?) z z z Joe

Hi for the peaceful New Year dreamers, Alan I could have met you in Great Britain, I was in London until Thursday 27th of December. Ralf the Book about Mutual Dreaming from Linda Lane Magallon. I dreamt about Blair and Downingstreet, last week. I have been to his residence in December, so I knew the situation, but it was interesting to dream about it last Thursdaynight.(4th of January) I will be inspired by all of you in the next dreamnight, I vote for you Ralf ,like Keelin did. It will be a wonderful experience to meet you in our Maui experiment. Love and Space experience in your dreams. Hermine

Hi! Joe I did watched Waking Life and brought all my family and friends with me. I still hear from some of my folk's things like "I don't believe in Lucid Dreams". Well, this is better then even doesn't know about it. The scenes of the film are very beautiful and I hope it wins the Oscar of best animation. Ralph, I am expecting to see you in a LD too. It is nice to hear from you all. Beatrice

Hi, Beatrice

Nice to CU. I'm looking forward to sharing our dreams. Only some days left... Hope, that the film will soon arrive in Germany, too. The while I'm living as awake, as I can!

Dream clear and tender!

Yours Ralf

Hi , I have a virus warning, W.Magister or such a name, I do hope your virusscanner took it out, it doesn't delete systempars, but it is all nonsense. About our dreamnight tonight........ I was in Germany Ralf and did the familytherapy of Bert Hellinger with Wolfgang Konigshaus,I will do the training with his institute this year. Have a wonderful,glowing in the dark night. Hermine

Hermine!

So close and still so far... I think, you are one of the most - travelling persons, I know. I am one of the most - non - travelling :-<

@all:

Hope to see your dreams tomorrow at this site. I think we can post all day, no matter, whether it is Maui midnight.

CU

Hi Mauifans, I woke up this morning with the memory of a flight experience. There were two planes, in one was a man, and I was in the other plane. I was inventing how to land, first I came down with the nose of the plane nearly to the ground, then I went up again and tried to find the right knobs to land in a proper way as planes normally do with the wheels on the platform. I had another reason to go up again because there were boats and planes in that area and we could not land at the same place. Something had happened in that area, maybe the boats and planes came in a kind of crash like Pearl Harbor, although there was no fire or explosions, but it reminded me of Oahu, Hawai, where I have been in 1998 and visited the place where it happened. When I left the plane there was a lane with wood and I touched the wood. I didn't have other reminders of the dream, I was not in contact with one of our group, I was more busy landing well at the place and feeling or discovering the energy of the area around me.! It was a safe landing and that felt as the most important piece of the dream. The day before on Tuesdaymorning I woke up with a dream about the aupair from Poland, Monica, (she was my au pair in 1996)About cloth she wear and they are mine, it didn't seem to be related with our Maui group, but in the way she had a relationship with my ex-husband. (I lived apart from my ex in 1996, I have no clue why I dream about her in relationship to him. I was in the air, but I didn't send a message to any of us, I was to busy navigating...... Hermine PS The night before, Sunday night , I dreamt about Stanley Krippner, he was sitting with me in the car and with my brother. We drive against a mountain of sand and my mother and I fly or jump from the car to the building on the other side and we complain at the townhall that this sand was on the road.Also parts in the dream with mirrors and glas of mirrors.(or mirroring glasses)

The Maui Experiment January 2002

Dear lucid friends!

The target action I wanted to perform was: Singing and playing guitar: "What a Wonderful World" in Mana Le'a dining place. Actually I didn't have a lucid dream, in which I have been able to do exactly this thing. But I had a lot of dreams, lucid and non - lucid, where I met Maui dreamers or performed my task of singing and playing guitar. I'm excitingly waiting to see your dreams and comments.

Yours Ralf

My Maui - related dreams:

Saturday, 29. December 2001

In the morning hours Kraft der Liebe und Maui Versuch 29122001 #NT #IT #DSA1 #Eros #Liebe #Schatten #Betrug #Aquarium #Schlange #Fisch #Krokodil #Musik

Power of love and Maui task I'm with two women, one dark haired, the other fair. We are in a very tender mood. I embrace the dark woman tenderly and gently stroke her cheek, enjoying the tenderness and thinking about the great luck, that I've come so far in my emotions, in my abilities to love. This reminds me, that it is due to my beloved Astrid. It would surely hurt her seeing us in this situation. I won't engage deeper with the two, nonetheless give the dark one a kiss on the forehead. Then I'm in a church. High above me integrated in the wall is a large fish tank. I can't clearly see, what kind of creature is in there. At first I see blurry shadows, that look like a giant snake filling the tank. Than the view gets clearer and I see two crocodiles and two fish (maybe Kois) swimming vividly in the tank. I wonder about the surprising symbolism in this church. I feel that these animals belong to the women. And I wonder, why the fish aren't swallowed by the crocodiles. There seems to be a deeper meaning to it. After a gap I find myself playing guitar. I face the wall (still inside the church?), behind me an audience. At first it is a song by Sting, as far as I remember. It is not easy to play and sing. Then I switch on a video tape. Sting walks on the top of a castle's wall and sings. This is not the right location, I try to rewind the tape. It is a kind of rewind and view at the same time, and I hear music nonetheless, but it sounds rewound, too. Sting goes forward and back. I think, this is boring for the audience and decide to play the tape normally. I have the feeling, that I should play something else, but I start playing with the song on the tape, at first some bass lines, some improvisations, then chords, but it sounds disharmonious. I turn around sometimes and walk around with my acoustic guitar.

Comment: This one is composed of my intensified emotions in the day and the plan regarding the Maui experiment. Though not lucid, I did try to remember my task. And did get somehow near to fulfilling it. The ways to daytime memory are open a bit and the resulting knowledge influences the dreams plot and my behaviour. The symbolism of snake, fish and crocodile remind me of the tarot trump "Death" (and maybe "The Fool") in the Crowley/ Harris deck. There seems to be something waiting to be transformed... (the eagle still has to emerge). That would transcend the limits of the aquarium.

Monday, 31. December 2001

Träume über Träumen 31122001 #NT #Träumen #Hermine #Maui #Musik Dreams on dreaming I do something very good, like Strephon Williams suggested. I think it is questioning. Sure, that I will remember it later on, I go on sleeping.

It is as kind of contest in lucid dreaming. I'm sure, I will win. But it is a woman (Hermine?), who gets the first prize. I'm somewhat disappointed. The judge tells the difference: I work hard, do this and that, but she is being abducted while she enters the dreamstate (and stays lucid).

I sing. Comment: This night I wore the ND mask. I read Strephon Williams before bed.

Sunday, 6. January 2002

I've been awake, but didn't get up or write anything down. I just tried to focus on the Maui experiment.

Löffel schwebt nicht 06012002 #NT #Fliegen #Maui #Mama #Essen There is a spoon! Outside some people meet, standing very close to each other. They all want to fly. I see my mother near to me among the crowd, that is counting backwards, like it were the last seconds before a rocket's take off. I hear different numbers, everything gets mixed up somehow. My mother and me are already hovering some feet above the ground. Then the crowd has somehow reached the "ignition" point. Now we try to force the flying movement, but it doesn't work. I find a spoon in my hand. I eat a cake. Now that hovering didn't work, I shall make the spoon fly. I think, that this is a difficult task. Until now I have never been able to make something hover by will. I hold it between my hands, but despite all efforts, it doesn't work.

Weißes Flüstern 06012002 #NT #IT #DSA1 #Maui #Stephen #Adastra #Tisch White whispers I'm sitting on a long table outside. Adastra sits to my right, Stephen LaBerge on the other side. Adastra (I can't remember, how he looked...) says, that in his writings he always refers to Stephen theories regarding lucid dreaming. Stephen answers: "That is bullshit." I'm astonished. I start discussing the advantages of the neuro - psychological point of view, but get stuck in trying to speak out the word "physiological". I try it over and over again, until Stephen interrupts me and speaks the German words: "Das ist Scheiße!" with American accent. Then he leans over to me and whispers repeatedly: "White, white, ..." as if this were a secret. At first I don't understand him. I listen hard and awake while doing it. Comment: This one is really strange and unexpected. Why should Stephen dismiss his own works? Or is it, that we don't really understand, what he means? Then we ( I) must be totally wrong, regarding his strong and emotional words. "White" may also mean "clear" in the sense of lucid. Maybe the dreammachine (or himself?) sent me a cue to get lucid.

It is 0830 am. I search for a ball pen and write things down. Astrid gets up and I follow her, only for a few minutes. My son is there and I know, he will wake me up soon. I lie down, relax and do MILD with the "White Whispers" dream.

Beatrice Sandwich 06012002 #NT #LT #MILD #IT #Maui #Beatrice #Essen Beatrice's Sandwich And sometimes imagine myself doing my planned task: Play guitar and sing: "What wonderful world." Feels quite real, close to hypnagogic imaginary. I still feel my physical body. Then I see Beatrice (a lucid scene). She has something there, wrapped in aluminum foil. I want to unwrap it, she doesn't want me to. I do it nonetheless. And find a sandwich. I "awake" and soon after my son enters the room.

Tuesday, 8. January 2002

Alan Ts T - Shirt 08012002 #NT #DSA1 #Maui #Alan Alan T's Tee Shirt We are in a room, sitting at a table. Alan T. sits opposite. After we had some discussions, I notice his strange tee - shirt. It has many tags with different prizes attached. And I notice he is wearing earrings. He turns around, so that we can see the back of his shirt. The back is open, there is only a slip knot at the collar. Looks like the shirts, we use in hospital. Comment: Maybe I dreamed of him, because I was so happy, that he posted to the forum again. I feared he could be seriously ill, because he didn't send anything for a while.

Varieté - Truppe will mich 08012002 #NT #DSA1 #Maui #Musik #Astrid #Heilpraxis Vaudeville group wants me I remember, I was singing two times, with all my voice, arms spread, and it sounded very well, felt very good, only that I thought, that it was the wrong place and time to sing. And I soon got out of breath. Astrid was there, too, watching, listening. The second time happened, when a kind of vaudeville group was around. They wanted me to work with them. Said, I would easily match them, because I were of the right age. I thought, that would be a very unexpected turn in my career and wonder, what the groups members do to make a living. This vaudeville thing seems not to be enough.

Thursday, 10. January 2002

Mein Traumtor 10012002 #NT #LT #DSA2 #Maui #Badendorf #Lübeck #Tor #Fliegen #Wasser #Mauer #Angst #Körper #Keelin #Joy #Hermine My dreamgate I'm on my way from Badendorf to Luebeck, just short before the little hill, called "Windberg". A traffic sign warns, that there is a gate on the top of the hill limiting the height of cars to pass to five meters or so. The sign shows a strange form of the gate. (I saw one yesterday evening, as I browsed www.amazon.de for books on lucid dreaming and found one on the cover of Robert Moss: "Dreamgates"). And there, on the top of the hill is this gate. I know, it doesn't belong here. I walk through and next thing I remember is, that find myself having a birds view on an extended facility, made of large, light brown bricks. Its purpose seems to be to control the water. There is but a tiny rill flowing through the facility (from Badendorf to Luebeck). That is all, that is left after huge watergates have dammed up the river. I see the "everyday" road leading through the facility and wonder, why I never explored the side streets. (This has been my way to school and to the city for more than a decade. My mother still lives in Badendorf.). Now I discover, that I'm standing on a thin wall some meters above a roof or the surface of the hill on my left side. On my right side, deep below me (maybe 50 meters) is the water (which is now running faster and the stream is broader), running over the bricks in this channel. I think, I will go down and see, what is going on there. I am afraid to fall. And I know, I'm dreaming. I know, I could jump without being hurt. I think, maybe I would loose the dream, when I simply jump, like in one of my last LD, where I awoke before hitting the ground. I would very like to jump and fly and part of me is still afraid to fall. I look for different ways. There is an open window below me on the right side. I could step on the wing and reach the down ? pipe of a gutter, then climb down. That would be cowardly. And the question is, if I would loose the dream while going down. While standing on the wing, it somehow loosens. I repair it, thinking, that I should really reduce my weight. And I think, that this is no safe way to go down. I decide to jump down the few meters to the left side and try another way. Done that, I do a gentle flying training, it is safer here. Someone of the forum is with me. Some woman. I'm not sure, maybe Keelin, Joy or Hermine. I can't remember, if she had done something. My mistake seems to be, that I close my eyes. Everything turns black and grey. I can't lift myself up, my feet still touch the ground. I feel my right foot loosing contact to the ground, it must be, because I'm standing on the edge. One step further and I fall down. I'm not that afraid, but decide to use a position lying on my back to succeed in flying. Now I finally loose the tactile sense, too. There is nothing more to feel or see now. I awake in physical body.

I'm awake, think and feel over the dream, enter a small dreamlet:

Wilsons Zusatz Unterricht 10012002 #NT #Maui #Wilson #Stephen #Geld Wilson's extra training Someone says, that Wilson does special training with Stephen LaBerge and pays 1000$ for an hour. And this in the face of Stephen only working part - time! At first I think: "Why shouldn't Stephen get, what he deserves? He worked a lot for it." And I think, this is typical for Wilson. He is always trying very hard. Then Wilson comes with his typical grin, as if something very bizarre had happened to him and challenged his awareness. He tells the same story and ends up with the attitude, that he has been rather stupid to pay this prize. And says, it is enough, that Stephen gets this amount of money for teaching the whole group. In spite of my prior thoughts I agree with him, now. And awake.

Comment: The dreamgate: This one goes deep for me. The spontaneous impression was: This one relates to why my lucid dreams are so short in the last months. It is a kind of slow - motion fading, not so fast, as in other LDs. And dreamscape and my behaviour do parallel in a way: The dreamscape is the desire to control, turned to a stone - made facility. It shows a relation to my adolescence (that was the time, when I moved from Badendorf to Luebeck). On the way I learned to control my emotions, so that the (my) great and intense flow of life turned to a tiny rill. I feared my emotions, they were too overwhelming. I very well remember this time. My way to react was to fear and to control. And this is what the I (the lucid dream - ego) do: I fear and try to control the flow of the dream. I exclude more and more dream - qualities, until there is nothing left. And I finally awake in physical body. There are possible solutions to my fears in the dream: The window and the down pipe offer a way to stay in the dream's flow and to prevent awakening due to fear. But I'm too proud, I won't admit my fear. I dismiss the offer. Another help seems to be offered by the forum woman (whoever she is). Reminds me of the Tibetan dreamers advice to call "Dakinis" to help create security. All of the three women I mentioned are giving good examples how to go with the flow of dreams, seemingly without fear, but they do have control, too. In a relaxation exercise some days later I imagined myself opening the watergates and I watched, as life did spread in the former inanimate facility. That felt good.

Hi,

I listened to the music of Kailash and friends the last two evenings,title" The circle of Life. Songs from within. He was born in Germany, but travels all over the world to give healing concerts. By coincidence he called me today or would I say "synchronicity", because I have not met him since the 13th of December, when he gave a concert in Amersfoort. Hermine

Hi Ralf,

I wonder who heared your beautiful guitar play about the wonderful world in Mana Lea's gardens. It seems so silent around us, that I believe they are all meditating now. I dreamt about my ex again last night and the relationship I still have with him and with the children who I take on my lap, although they are 21 and 17 now. The eldest has a girlfriend the last period, he will prefer to be with her I am sure about that! Are you disappointed about your target exercise and the reactions right now. Or was my viruswarning W 42 Magister or something like that blowing all internet contact away? I guess lucid dreaming or mutual dreaming with a target as we do with ASD with a picture and the choice of one out of four ,the same as Stephen suggested has more success. Who knows? We can try next time. Another reason might be all the busy people who have time to react one of these days and not exactly right now. I am reading my dreams from time to time and between the first of Januari and now I had flower dreams too, but not in Maui, but in Great Britain. Hermine

Dear Hermine!

You are right. I'm disappointed. I already thought about a different design. Maybe we should open the experiment to the whole forum. There are so many motivated lucid dreamers. Let's see what the Maui - dreamers think about it.

I had no difficulties with any virus so far. But think about a virus scanner.

Sweet dreams

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

I went to Tai Chi this afternoon, from 1 till 5 o'clock, more concentrated than with dreaming. I remember another dream, walking on pieces in the water (as you had your dream on a riverstream, I tell you later, I am going to sleep now, I was late last night, half past 2 , so to tired to take my diary and write down the dream. Sweet dreams too and sweet memories. Hermine

Dear Ralf, Dear Hermine, I too am disappointed. I had no results this this last experiment. I start out with high hopes. I send a post to you, but appears I did not clik the last button.

Why not open experiments to others.

I feel a little flat right now. Well tomorrow is another day. Tonight is another opportunity for Lucid Dreaming.

Betty

Hi! This month I am ending my theses about Rudolf Laban and Computer Animation so it is taking a lot of my attention. I had one long LD on 11 January. I was lucid but didn't try to see you Ralf because I was waiting for the right day. Next time. The funny thing is that the dream was about I was caring something that I couldn't and it was not a sandwich! In an NLD a friend gave me a package with things that I am not suppose to carry. I was holding it when my mother caught me with it. She said she was going to call the police. I though, OK she is right, she is just acting as the system expect her to act, then I though that what was happening was too odd and bad, couldn't be reality so I jumped and start fling and continued my dream in a much better way, like a bird. Beatrice

Aloha, Maui dreamers. It's 31 days till dream camp. I'm purring with excitement. And I found out that Dr. LaBerge's two books, Lucid Dreaming and Exploring The World of Lucid Dreams are in accessible format. They're on talking book. The Library for the Blind has to order them so I might not get them by the time I go to dream camp, but I'm sure to have them to read when I get back. In the meantime, I've ordered as many books on the subject as they have in Braille or talking book. Most of them are on cassette. Purring here. Thea

Hi! I was lucid a couple of time last night after made the WILD technique. First I was in a NLD and the scene starts to have a non-realistic rendering, like if someone had made highlights all over with a brush. I realized I was dreaming and decided to look for Ralf. I start asking the people around for Ralf it didn't work then I ask "Wo ist Ralf?" after that I was in Germany because I saw some people that I know from the institute in Darmstadt where I had made an intership. I could recognize people that I don't remember when I am awake, strange. I went to a 2 floor white building with dark windows, a dark hair woman was there and some others men but not Ralf. I gave up. Next time I will morph the people around.

During the next dream I've got lucid because I remembered that I was just dreaming so this is a dream too and decided to jump from high buildings. My father told me he used to have nightmare about that when he practiced trampoline jump?. One time while crossing a window I asked myself if I was sure that this is a dream because there was a lot of people down there scared about what I was going to do, somehow I was "sure" this is a dream but after I jumped I went directly to the floor.

In the other dream I was in an animation production office and there where two women talking about some publications about patterns created with algorithms coming from the institute in Darmstadt. They were not paying any attention on me so I decided to mess all around because I knew that was my dream again. Yes I know I could act better. Now I will search more about this mathematics patterns anyway. I have just read a book about it. Beatrice

Dear fellow lucids!

I'm back from osteopathic workshop. No LD's since my dreamgate - dream. But some non LD that take up the thread.

Betty, I think, we will keep on trying. But this month I'll go into osteopathy more deeply and work on gaining information regarding my experiment. I hope, I'll have the time to continue work on LD at least. I don't have much time to spend in the www now. If anyone puts up another experiment here, I'll surely take part. But I'll focus on basic LD skills like frequency and prolonging the next month. And there is still this LI forum experiment to complete.

Beatrice, nice, that you thought of me / the experiment in a LD. I can't find synchronous events so far. Why did you think, it was the wrong day to try? It was the right day, if you only look at what we said. But maybe it was the wrong day regarding what you dreamt. Congratulations to your LDs anyway. Funny, that you spoke German.

Hi, purring Thea I've been very exited, too, in the months before dreamcamp. Astonishing, that LaBerge is available as talking book.

Thank you for sharing dreams and thoughts

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf and all. I made a new experiment in a LD today. I went to sleep wanting to find in a LD a friend who lives not very far away from me. I've got lucid and was in my dark room. Somehow I found very difficult to meet him so I decided to fell "his energy". I saw it (looks like) and it was like millions of shining particles forming a square shape. I felt a very nice sensation when it passed through my body. It was a healing dream. Beatrice

Welcome back Ralf, Seems you were gone a long time. I've missed reading your posts, and your notes to so many of us hopeful dreamers.

When you are ready, please set up another exercise for Mutual Lucid Dreaming. I keep thinking that what was once science fiction is now seen as science, so why not MLD. I am with you on focusing on basic LD skills.

I've had a long dry spell with no LDs. BUT, a few nights ago, I actually had a fleeting, but very clear LD. I had this feeling of almost pure joy as I said, ' I am awake in a dream'. In this dream, I was walking north on a sidewalk, and then as I turned a corner (symbolic?) my dream became lucid.

I know that you are concentrating on you studies, but please get back to us when you can. Here is to MLD. Betty

Aloha MauiMates & Oneironauts,

Beatrice: What an exquisite dream! Thank you for sharing the imagery which has left a very nice sensation passing through me as I read your words. And what a fine reminder of how to accept the gift of whatever shape a lucid dream might take. I can't tell you how many times I've searched (seemingly endlessly) for certain friends in lucid episodes, and only rarely did I let go of the desire for a vision true to waking, physical appearance. I will remember your graceful approach next time!

Ralf: Thank you for being so present -- especially when I must be more elsewhere for the next while. I read a reference to psi research in the IONS review and thought of you. You might want to check their website (www.noetic.org) and see what's there.

Alan T: So good to have you back! ;>

And to all our oneironauts (new and not-so-new to the Forum): Continued, heartfelt thanks for making this discussion site the bright, caring and thought-provoking exchange it is.

Shimmering lucid dreams to all, Keelin

Dear lucids

Yes, a nice dream, Beatrice. I already had success in my prolonging task. Yesterday I had another abrupt ending of a lucid phase. Today I did - on getting lucid - a very soft and gentle jump and slow spinning around a transversal axis. And I did enjoy it! These experiences are healing! I then had a false awakening and did complain to my mother about my lucid phases being so short. I sat down to relax and re - enter the dream. I relaxed and woke up in physical reality. Finally satisfied, that I did actually prolong the dream, and that I had two lucids in two days. (My goal is eight this month). I re - started DSA - training yesterday and it did pay off immediately: I got lucid by recognising mechanical malfunction / light abnormality as dreamlike.

Betty I will surely try to keep in contact. I still read all the postings. I will continue the lucid way.

Keelin Thanks for the link. Sounds interesting. I've been there and saw Radin mentioned. I, too, think the forum develops very well. A very vivid discussion.

More lucidity to all

Yours Ralf

Hi dreamers, I was in Milano last weekend and came home with delay on Mondaynight at 3 o'clock . Then I got ill a flu and my dreamcontents were low. I had one dream interesting to me, I entered a house of other people and saw the same painting hanging on the wall as I have in my house. I have known the couple from a long time ago, they live partly in Portugal and partly in Holland. Hope to hear from you all again. Hermine

Hi, Hermine, dreamtraveller in both worlds!

Hope you're fine again.

I had another LD and many NLDs this night. Third LD in three days. Thanks to the MILD technique and some DSA training. I did my prolonging task, it gave me another few seconds. If I continue having this much LDs (in my proportions), I'll certainly learn faster, than ever before.

Keep on good work, too

Yours Ralf

Hi, This morning I woke up with a dream about cars and the official series of numbers and letters shown on the motor vehicles. The house where my family lived between '62 and '75 and where a married brother with his family is living now, was the place of action. It were big cars and I didn't agree with the noise and activity around our house.The cars exactly turned at our house. I write down the numbers to make a complaint. Later on the cardrivers try to influence me by taking the letters of my name on the car. H.M.M.

Ra,ra, the insight? Hermine

Hi, Hermine

Insight?

Don't complain about people in your past, or YOU'll pay the prize!

Ra,ra,ra (whatever THAT means...)

The German Centre for Aphoristic Dream Interpretation

Don't think that helps you, but I had fun!

Hi Ralf,

Interesting suggestion! Yes, I have complaints about this brother about the past, I thought I was protecting the house for the noise and turning arounds, but the other way around is quite an idea! Funny,isn't it. Hermine

Greetings, Campmates!

Nice to see your posts, R.H.A.B.K. etc... Glad to hear of your success, Betty.

Sorry to be so distant. But I have been all to preoccupied with the trivial goings on of "this" reality.

I had a great LD last week. The longest ever (2 1/2 hours)! But then I dream too often about taking my ND'er off, and missing this obvious dreamsign..Go figure..??

Lots of flying, and just sheer enjoyment in examining the detail of my subconscious dreamscape. Being late in the morning, I nearly awoke several times, but held on to it by spinning.

Sorry, Ralf, for not remembering our little experiment. I hope the note still resides in your refrigerator. Sounds like Beatrice was near your location...Maybe we can have a "meeting of the minds" in Deutschland..??

I had a non-LD last night and saw Elvis singing, very realistic. Then I turned on the radio in my car, and heard an Elvis song playing..? Kinda wierd, not having heard Elvis for a long time...Makes one wonder...?

zzzzZZZZ(Anybody else "seen Elvis"?) z z z Joe

Hermine

So we both had fun. That feels good.

Joe

Nice to see your words again here. Wow, such a long LD. Wonderful. The sheet is still there. I forgot about the name... but I look for the sheet time and again.

Hope you'll find the deeper sense in what feels trivial. My heart is with you. It is good to have some highlights from time to time, like your LD or other extraordinary experiences.

Into the light

Yours Ralf

P.S. I sometimes play Elvis...

Hi Ralf and all. I had NLD with you today. You were here to participate of the presentation of my theses. We met first and I want to know what are you going to ask me. (Wilson told me he uses to do that in dreams when he has exams at school). You said that you will ask me how someone could make a notation of human body movement since is something so complex. Thanks Ralf, that is a very nice philosophical question that I haven't though about it being so involved in programming.

Yesterday I had a long LD. I wanted to feel that "energy" again. I didn't see it but I felt it. It is a refresh for my brain.

Beatrice

Hi guys. I'm getting back in the LD groove, now that the pressure's off, but think I'm right in observing that the quality of LDs I get now are inferior to those I worked up to through last year. Some of those I treasure for their clarity, and the freedom they imparted. The ones I get now are murky, short, unresponsive to volition (like I'm swept along willynilly through the scenes) and I feel I'm too connected to the ol' bod - such as I try to rub hands, and trigger real hand movements that wake me up, and also when I try to speak, I wake up 'mooing' in bed. Just goes to show that, like other skills, LD is maintained and improved by practice. Love to all - especially Keelin :-)

Hi, lucid friends

Beatrice

Glad, that "I" could give you some mind food. In fact it is what I think of the locomotive system. It is extremely complex. Perceiving, computing and moving are in fact parallel processes, are ONE flow. I'm not into this programming thing. But the most advanced engines still seem to create movements, that are looking artificial. Biological creatures respond to many environmental factors, this is what I think is the reason, why their movements seem so "lively". Another reason may be that biological movements, like thoughts, have a stochastic character, it is like trial and error.

Alan

Yes, I can say the same. But you can get back more easily, once you've been there. This morning I had another short LD. Yesterday I did DSA training the first time after two weeks. So, just keep on...

Move lucidly

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf thank you much for your question and answer. I had a long LD using the MILD technique where there was a crowd of people near me. I asked them "Who is lucid dreaming?" Nobody said yes. I thought that with hundreds of persons around it was very likely to find another lucid dreamer. I was wrong. I couldn't fly in this dream too. Beatrice

Hi Lucid dreamers,

Where is our Lucid energy for the March first dreamnight? Will we be lucid tonight and meet again?

Hermine

Hi Hermine, and Other Lucids,

Hermine, good to see you on line. I read the posts, and miss hearing more about everyone.

Here, we are having March winds and a return of January weather. My energy is not up to a lucid meet tonight. Please let's plan another for later. I need some warm weather in order to rock, rattle and roll, and shake loose those lucid dreams.

What are your thoughts on another time for a lucid dream meet?

Betty

Hi, all

I'm too lazy and distracted these days. Maybe it would be good to have another meeting, just to increase motivation for LD practise.

CU

Ralf