There seems to be no end to wonders, Keelin, indeed.

Toko, the court said ASAP, nothing more...

Peter Quantum entanglement is something I can relate to, but when it comes to formula...

Check: You mean they will use it for defense applications?

I wasn't aware, that they now found out entanglement can be used for communication.

Congratulations on the baby, Beatrice, and fond greetings to everyone. I'm just trying out my new username after re-registering from a new PC.

Very good guide on quantum at:

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/quantum/

Richard Feynman is quoted. He said:

". . . just relax and enjoy it. I am going to tell you what nature behaves like. If you will simply admit that maybe she does behave like this, you will find her a delightful, entrancing thing. Do not keep saying to yourself "But how can it be like that?" because you will get...into a blind alley from which nobody has yet escaped. Nobody knows how it can be like that."

Remind you of something else????

Hey, Alan

Thanks for this link. So teleportation of molecules seems to be discussed by scientists.

The whole thing should remind me of something...

Hi! Thank you much for the nice words about my baby and Keelin what you wrote was beautiful. Today I had a LD and there was so many time I haven´t one that I didn´t knew what to do. Well I fly and had a good time looking at some children. I hope that for now on I have more LD since my baby is getting older and I am getting used with all this. Toko his name is Max Guimarães von Sydow! Aloha

Aloha all, And special congratulations for you Beatrice with Max. It is great to hear the good news after the period we were together in Mauii. I loved the text of Keelin too, nice for the little one to be introduced into the world of lucid dreamers by it's mother. We can send the energy from all different places to Brasil right now! I had one dream about Robert Bosnak last night and about Jungian dreamanalysis. In the dream I got the message Robert wanted to work in a more experienced way on a Jungian base.He was looking for people to work with their dreams. I was wondering if I would share one of my dreams. In the dream I went through a house, met the owners but left the house at the back or at the other side. I noticed a car with a man who was standing next to it and driving away. He was leaving and a tennisracket was between his wheel and car, so the material was broken (de snaren) in Dutch. He stopped and I told him what I just had seen when he left, he said that this had happened more often. I was wondering why.The strange thing was that a dog was eating "de snaren" Then I woke up, because I knew you can't eat them.And I did'n get the "dog clue" (The first thing I remember is I talked with somebody about giving my workshop in Kopenhagen in June this year and the second thing is I promissed my department in the Psyciatric Institute that I would give my guitar for the clients of the department to exercise, the strings had been broken, but repaired again at the music shop. Maybe I expect music again but I am not sure when it will start? I was not working at this department between April and December because of a caraccident I had in April this year,I just started again the 8th of January at my department. The other dream I had was also in a kind of Institute building (my job at another department) and I was walking around between children. I also closed a door and kept the door closed because the boys needed to be punished?isolated for a while, I was talking with them to give them explanation for the reason why. (I remember before I went to sleep I tried to remind myself to take the keys of the department which I have at my home in Amersfoort,and I was in Amsterdam,to the Mental Institute next day,(today) otherwise I could not use them in the building. I had a lot of other dreams in the last few monts,not always lucid, but I have wake ups during the night and know I am dreaming. The other thing I remember is that I have been in a group with robert Bosnak for many years and the last three years , I am npot joining his groups, but in this dream I felt invited again to be there. I hope a lot of people will join our next ASD Conference in Kopenhagen in June. Maybe we have a Mauii reunion in Kopenhagen. Love Hermine I hope I still know my code because I didnt use it for a while.!

Hi Keelin,

I like to change my profile,emailaddress,City,etc.How is this possible.? Please let me know? Aloha Hermine

Aloha, Hermine!

It is always so heartwarming to hear from former DreamCampers whose images never fade. ;)

To answer your question: Under "Utilities" in the Forum menu, click on "Edit Profile". There you can make desired changes -- except username and email address, so please send me at: keelin@lucidity.com and I'll take care of that for you.

Sweet, wild dreams to you & our campmates, Keelin

Hey, fellow Maui Dreamers!

Nice to hear, you are doing workshop in Copenhagen, Hermine.

So hopefully we will meet there. I'll do two small presentations. Didn't find Stephen on the list of presenters. But we'll have another tiny Maui revival there, for sure!

CU in dreams awake Ralf

Hi Keelin,Ralf and compassionate dreamlovers,

I let you know Keelin! Ralf .do we meet before with Olaf ?Do you hear more? How many presenters,attendees etc......... I will contact Olaf too and let you know in case we get more information! Love to all of the group,

Hermine

Hermine, I did hear more:

Over 130 presentations scheduled now.

I have a lot of more details. Please mail me privately, so we can "talk" on that:

ralf.penderak@t-online.de

CU in LD

Ralf

I am of the Maui "01" vintage. Hello to Maui friends, and all forum dreamers Usually, I have LD now and then and when least expected.

I am posting two LD that will remain a part of my memory. I experienced this LD about the middle of January. I got tired of my mundane, dark, little remembered dreams, so I said, "I want a good, bright LD! The following LD is what I got. (This the only time I ever got a LD on demand.)

I was sitting on a bicycle, with one foot on the ground, on top of a high hill. I felt young and healthy with feelings of well being, as I had felt as a teen ager when I went for long bike rides. The day was clear and bright'a numinous day. I said in awe, "Why this is a LD; what am I supposed to do now? Then I knew I was to look around to see what I could see. I was completely alone, and at peace, and I might have been the only person in existence. I just looked about with the realization of being conscious in a LD.

As I looked about this panoramic view, I saw monochromatic, green, healthy, vigorous, plants, about three feet high that were somewhat like ferns, growing up the sides of the hill. In the distance, were trees. In front of me was a steep path of some type monochromic, brown dirt about four inches thick that reminded of earthworm activity. It had never been disturbed. At the bottom of the path, I could see deep purple and blue color. (Often I see purple color in dreams.) Beyond that was a valley. In this dream, I had feelings of peace and well being. Bettyj

The other LD: ( about the middle of February) Acupressure point stimulation-- side effects: illness, bad dreams, WILDS, LD, sleep paralysis:

I write this post for I do not understand how stimulation of my sleep meridians could have influenced the dream experiences that I had. For many years I have experienced severe sleep deprivation, also, I am severely sensitive to numerous things in the environment.

When I saw a "Dreamate" advertised in,' The Sharper Image catalog', I ordered one. It promised a drug free restful night's sleep without side effects. The "Dreamate" is powered by a triple "A" battery which stimulates sleep meridians on the inner left wrist. From the beginning of use of the Dreamate, I had, many non-lucid, bad, dark, foreboding dreams, but since I was getting more sleep, I thought bad dreams a small price to pay. (The price got too high.) Then I realized that I was becoming progressively ill, and began to experience flu like symptoms that affected my head, and left me tired and groggery. Of course I quit using the thing. During about the ten days recovery period, I had many unexpected dream experiences. (I did not have the flu!)

One afternoon, I was lying on the couch, and thought this a perfect time for a WILD, so I focused on hypnagogic imagery, and soon found myself in a LD. I decided to fly and lifted up and off. I flew above the tree tops, and saw small back yards, one with a circle of blue flowers, that made me think of England. Going into a WILD had seemed so simple, I thought I could become "WILD" anytime I wanted. (Actually this is the only WILD I have ever experienced.) Later, I had a long, clear LD in which I saw many people, but did not feel safe, so I decided to fly. Non-lucid dark dreams continued.

In another bright, clear dream, which is etched in my memory (not Lucid), I felt myself literally explode into bright dream consciousness. I was driving a 4 wheel drive Ford Bronco up a hill so steep that I could not see over the top. Also, my vision was further obscured by black streaks across the wind shield. I clearly heard heavy freeway traffic in front of me, and to my horror, I realized that I was driving directly into peak-time LA traffic.

Then the scene changed, but still in bright dream consciousness, I saw my body, which seemed as fluid as mercury, evaporate from my feet up. Then as the "mercury body" evaporated, dream paralysis took over the "body beneath'. I awoke in sleep paralysis, and then struggled, as I always do, to wake completely.

I am fully recovered now. Fellow dreamers, I enjoy your many interesting posts, and I have learned much from your experiences. Now, I need understanding of effects of stimulation on sleep meridians.

Wishing all of you bright, peaceful dreams, Bettyj

Hey, Betty

Glad to see your lines here.

A fine LD with those plants and well being.

And the WILD: It is strange, that sometimes it is so easy, but other times seemingly impossible to get conscious into the dreamstate.

I don't know about the effects of your dreamte. One possible explanation for me is, that it may have in a way decreased percentage of REM in your sleep, so you had a rebound, when you stopped using it.

About the meridian I don't know enough. But I'm not sure, if this device can have any effect in that regard.

Betty, you know sleep pattern changes with lifetime It is also said REM percentage decreases with age and people tend to wake up more often. So, in a way if it is "natural", the question is, what to make of it. Many people use drugs to have an undisrupted sleep, but maybe it is a chance to dream lucid more often?

I don't know, perhaps you give it a try and report some time.

Keep on being well in all worlds, fellow Maui dreamer!

Ralf

Betty, how nice to hear from you! I'm so sorry to hear about the parts that aren't going well. Especially I can sympathize with the tired, groggy flu-like feeling. I've been having similar problems for over a month, and I didn't try any new-fangled devices. I'm often up to 16 or 18 hours of sleep per day, and still don't feel rested.

Anyway, aloha to all of you! I miss you all so much. A confluence of different things have kept me from writing much in this forum, although I do still read it. For one thing, I lost my identity! Keelin graciously provided me with a new one, but it still felt strange! Also, I now share a computer desk and sometimes a computer with my husband (thanks to DSL and a broken laptop) so I don't have so much time to browse.

And one more bit of news, I'm back into the world of lucid dreaming now. I stopped to listen in on one day of Stephen's Kalani retreat last month...and now I'm TA-ing for Stephen's Stanford class. Just started last week, and so far it's a lot of fun.

I look forward to hearing from all of you. Aloha!

Hey, Laura

Nice to hear your're back to lucid dreaming. And don't worry for loosing your identity: Someone will surely pick it up ;)

Be yourself!

Ralf

Dear Maui Dreamers!

Has it really been three years since we dreamed and danced and discussed all the finer points of lucid dreaming together? There are times when it still seems like yesterday....

Oddly enough, just this past week, there has been word of or from Ralf, Betty (thank you again for your very kind letter), Laura, Robert, Toko-pa (your friend at CBC mentioned you), Dominick, and of course, Stephen -- with the rest of you (including Beatrice's wee dreamer) floating through my reveries as well. May the Maui reunion continue!

Abundant aloha to you all, Keelin

Yes - it must be reunion time!

So nice to read news from you all Keelin - Jeff mentioned he spoke with you and I told him that he must absolutely ask you about some of your dreams for his documentary. They will turn his hair curly

Three years? Wow.

xxx

T

Hey, Toko and Keelin!

Glad to see your lines here. Some of us didn't just discuss the finer details then, but forwarded lucid dreaming in different ways ever since. I guess that shows that we all did keep on dancing together "somewhere over the rainbow" and down on earth, too.

X0X0

Ralf

Hi Laura,

Three years since You, Beatrice and I went shopping on Maui? Wow! You are TAing for Stephen, the man who wrote the book'you can ask those hard questions anytime. What is Psych 30 about? I have clues from your posts.

Actually, I am doing quite well. The most effective I am doing is to simplify my life beginning with clearing clutter of all type, but especially "stuff" from my house. I don't even miss those front porch loads of stuff picked up by the Salivation Army. In order to sleep better, I have cleared just about everything out of my bedroom except the bed, and of course my dream journal. I feel freer, and have more time to concentrate on LD.

Laura, great hearing from you.

I love reading posts from Keelin, To-Ko, Beatrice, Ralf, Hermine, and any "01's'. Where are Alan, Wilson, Joan, Jerry and Joe--just to name a few others?

For all Forum Dreamers, I wish all of You great Lucidity in Dreams and Life.

Bettyj

(I just sent Ralf a post, but do not see it on the forum?)

Good to hear from you, Ralf!

(Sorry not to have gotten back to you sooner. There was a problem with my ISP and email.)

Congratulations on having completed your studies. I am interested in how you are applying what you have learned.

Your generous, encouraging posts bring many of us "Maui's" together, so that we have mini reunions here on the forum. I haven't posted in sometime, but I still feel a part of Maui "01" especially when I read posts from any of our seminar group.

Thank you for your comments on my post regarding stimulation of sleep meridians. I was surprised that a "sleep device" could affect my dream patterns and content. You are right that sleep patterns do change, and can be influenced by many factors including age, thoughts and actions. Since I often wake in sleep paralysis, I am reviewing EWLD starting page 108. As suggested, I hope to realize that I am in the almost same state as REM. I hope to just step over into the world of LD. That would be a stretch for me. What are your experiences with sleep paralysis?

Bye for now, dear Ralf, Betty

Aloha, Dear Betty!

So glad to see you back on the Forum and to be reminded of how special our Maui DreamCampers are. Unique too -- as Mana Le'a Gardens was sold after we held our retreat there and there's no going back! But that isn't all that makes our Maui group special, as we all know. ;)

We do hope our next Dreaming & Awakening retreat will provide an opportunity for a sweet reunion at Kalani -- an equally lovely site (on the Big Island). We'll be posting dates and details soon about the upcoming program, so stay tuned!

Abundant aloha (and sweet dreams of that wild waterslide) to all, Keelin

Hi all I send a message last night but could not find my code Now I know again, Thanks....... I just opened and got the inspiration knowing this, It is a year after Pim Fortuin's death they remember him these days. I told you last night that we are going to Athens(Rob Klouth from Amsterdam and I ) after the bombing........... Hope to hear from all of you ASD is in June the 18th till the 22th in Copenhagen, Denmark Love Hermine

Betty

I'm applying my studies in osteopathy in my own practice since Nov 03. Treating people, making them mobile, calming pain, especially of motor system.

I don't have experience with sleep paralysis.

Hey, Keelin

If it were just a stone's throw...

Hermine

See you there in Copenhagen!

Sweet lucids for all of you

Ralf

Hi Ralf and others

I noticed your email yesterday coming back from Greece(Athens,Mykonos,Delos<Naxos,Thira(Santorini) and Kreta, a wonderful time during our 16 kilometer walk in the Samaria canyon. ASD conference in Copenhagen will be from the Friday 18th till the 22 and on Tuesday the excellent dreamball.!!! I got dreams in Greece but also kind of nightmares............. Last Saturday I dreamt about a big fire, I foretold the people but they didn't listen to me. I was running and crying and at the end I was asking them why they didn't listen to me because I know when something can happen.......... And seriously I believe I know sometimes those things can happen. Once I dreamt about a fire in my brother's home who lives more than 100 kilometers from my house and by coincidence next day I had to be at my mothers place(but it was an earlier dream) and also by coincidence (I took the wrong road automatically)I passed the farmershouse of my brother about 1 kilometers and I got a severe headache during that moment and ten minutes later when I arrived at my mother's house I heard about the big fire in his home that night. Later on he and my brothers ( I have 7 brotehrs) asked why I did'nt warn him in time!Because my dream came earlier as a warning dream. It was his tractor a John Deer which got on fire and I dreamt about his tractor which had to be riddden out of the house because of a fire!

In the dream (last weekend)this time the oven was on fire(although that day the milk on the fire got really hot and nearly flew over the edge, but I heard it in time and stopped the gaz in reality.) I am interested in dreams of many of us who were in Maui and I wonder if once we 'll meet again in a conference place or at Palo Alto or at the sleeping lab with Stepehen and Keelin...... See you soon in Copenhagen Ralf! Love to all of you, Hermine

Thanks for sharing, Hermine!

CU there

Ralf

Dear all,

Copenhagen was long ago.or seems to be long ago, Hoi Ralf we met in copenhagen and you did a lot for this ASD organiszation! Where are our dreamcompanions from Mauii Nobody seems to reat on what is going on in life, Ciao Hermine

Hey, Hermine!

Nice to see your lines here again. That's how life is, people go in all directions. Stephen and Keelin of course and Dominick are still active here. Some time ago I saw message of Laura popping up here. Toko - Pa has her own dreamschool online and in Toronto (?). Beatrice did write some time ago about her baby. Betty had some mails here lately. I guess that is not too bad for three years after...

Yes, I did much for ASD organisation in Copenhagen. Too much,it seems: Now they placed me in the board of directors... OK, it was an election of all the membership BEFORE Copenhagen.

Hopefully meeting you again, soon. I think about visiting the Netherlands some time soon, too meet Aad and Tjitske and Berthe and Harry and all the Dutch ASD people,including you, of course. Hey, that would make a nice trip!

I'm sorry, we didn't have much time together in Copenhagen =(

Feel fine Hermine!

Ralf

Hi! Yes, I am still with my lovely baby around, waking more then twice at night but that is ok , it is worth it , besides last month I had 3 LD.

Hermine I had a dream my house was burning too and a couple of weeks after that the "abajour" was beginning to burn on the baby's room during the day. It had a synthetic blanket on it. I think someone turned it on in the morning. In my case I think the dream was a warning dream because I shouldn't have left the blanket there for so long.

My last LD was about looking for God. Dieter (a friend of mine who was in Dreaming and Awakening August '01 @ The Big Island) told me he had a dream about that some time ago. So maybe I can find God too! So in that dream I felt I could easily fly so I decide to go up, very far away. Suddenly I saw a big white shining ball in my direction, I though that is ok, I am doing well because that was the moon. Then I kept on flying with that enterprise view, but I didn't find God. So I waked up after a wile. Maybe next time I saw this big shining ball I better go through it to check. I remember that Joan said that she saw something about numbers and formula in the cosmos and a voice too. Well, if someone has an idea where to find God in LD easily"

Keelin, I gave an interview to a journal last week in São Paulo about LD. It was for the girl you put me contact. I tried to explain a little bit of this new huge area of LD. Was nice!

Unfortunately I won't be able to go to Manaus because of the baby. If some of you come to São Paulo don't forget to call me.

Beatrice

Aloha, Dear Beatrice!

Are you familiar with the research of Dr. Fariba Bogzaran? I'm certain we mentioned her work during the Dreaming and Awakening retreat. She has published some very interesting studies on experiencing the Divine in the lucid dream state. Also, she is a phenomenal artist and impressively captures the spirit of exploring inner realms.

http://www.bogzaran.com/index.htm http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/experien.htm

Although I won't be attending the program in Brazil, my thoughts will naturally be there with the gathering oneironauts, and perhaps I will dream of seeing you in your homeland?

Meanwhile, sweet adventures to you and your wee baby dreamer! Keelin

PS: Glad to hear you enjoyed giving the interview. And thanks for doing so! ;)