Joe and all,

Haven't checked in for a while due to pressure of work. Shouldn't last much longer, though - then I can get back to thinking about practical stuff like LDs and UFOs. If you actually see one, tell 'em to come and get me. I'm ready.

Love to all,

Alan T.

Dear Lucids

Hermine

"What about the first of October as we normally do our mutual dreaming night? Did anyone think of our dream night then?"

I thought about it. But on one hand I thought, we might have a rest due to the tragic events, on the other hand, I still think about a different experimental design, as you already know. Does anyone have suggestions on this?

The problems I see until now:

1. It seems that nobody of our group is able to have a lucid dream "on command."
2. It is hard to get to sleep at Maui midnight, because in other time - zones it may be midday or late afternoon.
3. It seems we still have problems to fix the right time for all members.
4. Motivation isn't that high, because we didn't succeed until know.

Regarding our "telepathic" experiments, there seemed to be more success. At least this is my impression. Also one suggestion is, we should try the telepathic type before going into the mutual thing.

Another thought is, we should have a longer period for having a lucid dream and perform our tasks, whatever they may be.

Does anyone have suggestions on this?

"For Ralf: in my dreams there is no war," Thanks for clarifying this point.

Joe

Maybe someone (you?) should care for increasing the meters range.

Alan

Be cautious. As you see from my last UFO report, it is not that convenient inside. I hope you're not too ready...

@all

I will be to another osteopathy workshop next week. Don't worry, if I'm not on the web. Regarding my dreams: I had some, but no time to write them down.

CU in LD (when will it fin'ly be?)

(sorry for destructive poetry, it is part of my nature)

Yours Ralf

Hi all. Ralph I had a LD two days ago that probably was in Hawaii. I was lucid and somehow I remembered what Hermine said about being able to stay under water. I caught? a huge wave. I was going very fast and the sensation of the water was great. The wave was very big and when it hit? the sand I kept flowing forward underwater for a long time. Then I continued my dream underwater. A very big snake appears. The ones we call here sucuri, can eat a cow. I knew it was a dream but doesn't felt good being so near that animal. I woke up. In reality I am doing animation with snakes, spiders and scorpions for an institution. I knew dreams with them will come soon, better in LD then. Beatrice

Beatrice

"I was lucid and somehow I remembered what Hermine said about being able to stay under water."

It is great that we are by exchange of thoughts and experiences in this Forum able to weave a web of (lucid) dreams and ideas concerning them, that seems to get denser time by time.

"I knew dreams with them will come soon, better in LD then."

Hm. How can one call this? A preventive LD? Your statement shows, that you have a deep connection between waking and dreaming life.

Hi all, I mentioned the wrong name about intentional healing in the "Joy" weekend, I mentioned earlier, it was Clif Sanderson instead of Robertson.One quote from his booklet "The Personal Healing Guidebook" from Albert Einstein "God doesn't play dice with the cosmos." I send in my dream of Sundaymorning ;about jewelry,my father G.S.M.short for Gerhardus,Stephanus,Martinus and last part about Monty Python, I had no success with publishing for a reason. I come with a song now for dreamers:

Imagine Imagine there's no heaven it's easy if you try no hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries it isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one. or the song heal the world (make it a better place , for you and for me and the entire human race there are people dying if you care enough for the living make a better place for you and for me) If anybody wants to hear it all , I'll write the text down next time. This Tuesday I had a dream in the beginning there was a special treatment of my hands, later on I was dancing with people in a group and we stand together and touched eachother, later on my father was again in my dream(he died in february 1971) and at the end of the dream a mother was on a boat/ship and crossed the water. A child wanted to go with her and the mother went back to take her child with her.( It remind me of Charon and the river Styx.) In peace and happiness, Hermine

Hi! I had a NLD this morning about me talking to a prophet. He has a big bear. One thing that I remember very clear is about an exercise he told me to do twice a day. Take a religion symbol put it in front of the rising sun, watch the sun going up trough this symbol, then do the same thing when the sun is going down. Then he said to link the both events. Like in a film that you have only the part of the raising sun and the fading? Sun seeing trough a symbol.

When I wake up I was happy that I have talked for the first time to a guru. Thinking about how important is to have a believe system during transitions period. I though about this beginning and ending events. How they can be grouped forming another object, my be I could call this film "transitions" if I consider faith and religion. For one moment I though that the ending is the beginning and vice-versa. See the death as birth. Yes, I know they are different and these moments are not everything. I thought about this suicide terror people then.

I had a LD on Monday. A friend told me he needs a lucid dreamer to go to Portugal. I wake up at 5:00am and eat bread with olive oil from Portugal. I read a lot the Portugal word in the can asking myself if I was dreaming.

I went to bed again after one hour and was lucid in a dream. I was in the living room asking my grandmother and her sister (they are already dead) if they have something to say to my relatives. They were ok. Then I remember that I had to go to Portugal. I jumped the window. I even remember to check if I was really dreaming! I am no very good in direction so I didn't know if I was going to the right direction. I saw some clouds under me and decided to check where I was. I was in London! I make this friend and she went with me to Portugal. She knows better how to find the way. When I arrived I asked the people there who know this friend of mine. Soon they lead me to people that knew him. The people there were kind of angry with him. They said he left them working there and that he should be working with them. I explained that he is a marketing man. Than I saw a pregnant woman, I knew somehow that the son is his, but she didn't want to tell anybody. After that there were still plenty of time to enjoy my lucid dream. It was very long. This friend of mine didn't give me any answer if this dream has to do with anything in reality. Hope not.It is good to invent stories and tell them anyway. Beatrice

Hi! I don't know where to post this. But I must ask something. It's not really connected with lucid dreaming but... eh... well. I read in "National Encyklopedin" (the biggest encyclopedia in Sweden) that "it's always 'I' who dream". Do you agree to this? I don't. I've had several dreams where I've been dreaming about other persons in a third person view. This morning for example. I just want to check if this is something exceptional... So do you always dream about the "I"? (Please excuse my bad english, I hope you understand what I mean.)

Hi, lucid friends!

I'm back from workshop and had to work in the hospital some days. I feel like being in a dry spell concerning LD, I even don't write down dreams at all. I'm still looking for an intriguing idea concerning our mutual experiment.

Does anyone have an idea? I would very like to meet you all in LD!

Hermine

I like this song. I sometimes sing it. The hands thing: My impression is, that lucid dreaming may help in healing arts. We had three days cranio sacral osteopathy. It has a lot to do with feeling, sensing very fine movements, but also with "seeing" (into) the body. It is a thing about mental models and intention while facilitating movements. It very reminds me of experiences in the context of dreams. And it seems, that I profit from working on (lucid) dreaming in this case.

Beatrice

I think it is good to weave more and more threads between dreaming and waking events. It is good to talk about dreams with people, who appear in them. Although some may think, I'm woo - woo. And it is good to remind myself, that dreams are 95 po stories made up by my mind, but 5 or 1 or 0,1 po incorporating anomalous perception.

Linus

Would you explain your point again? I didn't understand you.

So long

Dream sweet and wild

Ralf

Greetings, All:

I would like to share the account of a brief lucid dream I had the other morning.

I can claim success as a result of my practiced habit of looking at my watch.

It was a strange dream, as so many of them are. After 4-5 hours of sleep, then waking (this is the hard part!) and staying up a half hour or so, I found myself in a dream where I seemingly awoke having slept in the back of a pick-up truck (probably the result of sleeping in my van last weekend). I had an odd feeling that it seemed strange to awake and be ON the somewhat busy street near where I currently live. This gave me to notion to further question reality (or the lack of) and glance at my watch three times in succession. When I looked at my watch, I saw the display from my cell phone! What was of particular interest was a small smiley face that appeared on the watch. I had seen this on my phone, and could not find out what it meant, so it was in the back of my mind.

It was at this point that I knew I was in a lucid dream. I recalled our experiment Ralf, and tried to pass directly through the asphalt road, but for some reason it was as hard as in reality (I could not seem to "morph" into it. If this is not some kind of mental hang-up, I do not know what is. I was a little frustrated, and thought I needed to fly to a certain elevation to then strike the road with velocity to penetrate it. I flew for a while, and then lost it and woke up.

I long for those lengthy LD's I had years ago. Along the lines of Owen's comments last week, I think that the particular time of night we arrange for ourselves to have a Lucid Dream will determine the general state of consciousness we will be in, with respect to our restfulness, LD holding power or tendabcy to awaken. I usually get so excited inside to have achieved Lucidity, that I awake, wanting to share the experience with someone.

zzzZZZZZ( Is anybody else seeing strange synchronous events?) z z z z Joe

Hi dreamers!

I am writing of exciting news about a new film just out...called "Waking Life", by Richard Linklater (the maker of Slacker and others). It's a mind-blowing film all about lucid dreaming. Though most of it was shot on regular film, they went back & animated on top of the film so it is appears like super-realistic cartoon. Its visually brilliant, but also ground breaking for our revolution of dreamers! The content is thought provoking and profound. Fun for the whole family...from science-type to woo-woo!

No doubt SLB will show it in future workshops.

Hope you're well, Toko-pa

Okay. What I was trying to ask was this: When you dream, do you always dream about yourself? Ehhh... I guess it?s easier if I give you the dream I had yesterday as an example.

I dreamed I was on a desert island. Like in that silly tv-program "robinson". (I?m not sure what it?s called in English. Survivor?) Well, there I was with a couple of other people. A lot of different stuff happened. After a while I won a competition. The prize turned out to be Jack Nicolson. I was kind of disappointed because I had hoped for something to eat. But that wasn?t everything. During the evening he became more and more violent and before we went to bed we had to tie him up to a tree. After we had done this and gone to bed it was like the "scene" ended. The dream left me and the "camera" flew away to the other side of the island far away. Because here Chumbawaca (you know the creature from Star Wars, I can?t spell his name) disembark with a crew of others like him (I don?t know the name of his race). They had come to free their master, Jack Nicolson, (the guy we had tied up, remember?) From now on the dream followed Chumbawaca and his friends. My dream body wasn?t present. My dream body was asleep on the other side of the island. It was like watching a move. You could say "I" was the camera following Chumbawaca from a third persons view. I was only a spectator... just as in a movie.

I don?t know if this explanation was better, but I hope you understand me a little better this time. Few of my dreams are like this, but I have similar experiences from time to time. What I wonder is if you ever had these kind of dreams, or if you always dream about "yourself".

Hmm... I?m tired, and a little dizzy too. I believe I?ve played too much jew's harp. Why is it called that anyway? Did the jews invent the instrument?

Linus,

In my lucid dreams, as far as I recall now, I'm always myself. However, in non-lucid dreams I occasionally see from a disembodied perspective, and also occasionally dream of myself as being substantially different from my physically-awake self - e.g. I once dreamt I was a "Robocop"-like character, and on a few occasions I dreamt of being female.

My lucid dreams so far tend to be much less bizarre and surreal in general than my non-lucids, and my dream-identity seems reflective of this.

Do you ever experience yourself as being different than your normal self in lucid dreams, or only in non-lucid dreams?

Hi all

Linus

In my LDs the dream Ego seems to be like my waking Ego.

In NLDs I'm sometimes not myself, sometimes a girl or woman. Sometimes the point of Ego shifts from one person to another. But that is very rare. Often the my view shifts from Ego sight to a bird's view and back again.

Jew's harp - this instrument has (independently?) developed all over the world. With a lot of different versions and materials. Maybe the English word is Jew's harp, because Jewish traders did introduce it to the English speakers for the first time. And maybe they used it themselves, because it is small and easy to take with you, when you travel. This is what I found on the web and what I think.

Toko and Adastra

Thanks for the film tip.

Joe

Feels good, that you still work on our experiment. I made some shots of our kitchen, but still have to get the prints developed. I'll send you some pictures, then. For me, my first LDs have been long, too. Nowadays I have to work with prolonging techniques, to make them last. Your example convinces me to go back to my daytime practice of reality checking again. I somehow lost the thread in the last weeks.

ZzzzZZZzzzzzZZZzzzzZZZ (seems that caring for synchronicity needs awareness) zzzzZZZzzzzZZZzzz Z Z Z z z z

Ralf

Jews harp derives from jaw harp. Nothing to do with Jews.

Doug

Adastra: I agree to everything you say. And yes, I'm always myself in my LDs. It's only in my NLDs I've experienced these movie like third person dreams. In these dreams I'm not present other then as a spectator.

"Jews harp derives from jaw harp." Ahh... that explain it. Thank you.

Hi, lucid friends

My suggestion for a new Maui - Experiment:

We should take 1-3 weeks time to accomplish the task of meeting in Maui. Everbody should write down lucid (and non -lucid) dreams concerning Maui or Maui - dreamers in this period. Then, at the end of this period, we should collect and compare these dreams. This would mean more time for everybody. If this isn't working, I think about a new target, maybe a telepathic experiment.

I've just taken a look at the Maui - pictures. It seems far away for me these days. And I still very like to look back to these days. And I look forward to meeting you.

Has anyone comments on this new experimental design?

My dreams of today:

Friday, 26. October 2001

Surprising Call 26102001 #ND #DSA2 I'm working on my local telephone and computer "network" (like I did in waking time yesterday. I couldn't solve the problem, that we can't use the telephone and can't receive calls. But the internet connection works. I did one or two RCs during this work on this malfunctioning devices and often thought about this being a dreamlike situation). I'm trying some combinations, solve and fasten different wires. Suddenly my friend M. is calling. I'm surprised and say, that it is a long time ago, that we've talked. He is not responsive. I explain this is due to the fact, that he and his wife are going to divorce. I "awake".

Another fragment: There is a meeting just ending. I'm searching for my wallet, can't find it. Then I ask loud. Someone found it and put it in a safe place. No he gives it back to me.

Comment: A DSA2 score isn't that bad as a new beginning, next time I will come to the right conclusion. I've used the ND mask again after some weeks. I really saw many cues flashing red and didn't awake totally. But I can't recall many dreams. Maybe this nights sleep was too disturbed. I'm going to reduce sensitivity to get less cues. The intensity seems to be ok now. I had a very good relaxation exercise pre sleep. But again, like many times before, I had to swallow and then couldn't prevent to cough. Afterwards my throat felt different, as if something relaxed there, deeper, than I felt ever before, but it still seemed, as if something was flowing into the trachea. I focussed on this feeling. But I wasn't right. It must have felt this way, because a muscle of the throat has been deeper relaxed, than ever. If I get used to this and loose my fear of something flowing into my trachea, I might succeed in achieving deeper relaxation, than before. This is important for WILD and MILD.

Hope, I didn't bore you with this throat thing. I tried other sleep positions, but relaxation works best on my back. Has anyone encountered similar problems with the swallowing and coughing thing? I read about it in one of Monroe's books, but he just "returned", swallowed and continued his journey. I can't go on the journey, as long as I'm afraid to swallow and cough.

Hello fellowdreamers,

I have two visitors from San Diego , one woman Betty Bosdell will teach on dreams and Voice Dialogue on Saturday. Next week I will share my dreams again. I hope the Maui experiment on the first of November worked for us,although I dreamt about France and I was speaking French in my dream. By the way I will not go to Australia this year. Okay so far so good. Enjoy lucid dreams where ever you go.( "there you are") Peace and Joy Hermine

Hi, Hermine

Nice to hear from you.

I didn't do the 1st November experiment. I'm still waiting for some feedback regarding a new experimental design. I had a long LD on 1st of November, but not today. Today I dreamt about saving a woman from a shark attack. I grabbed the shark with my hands and threw him onto the beach. My son was there and I warned him not to go to close. Another dream was about diving into the water of a harbour. I somehow got a stiff neck and it was hard to arrive the air again. The funny thing is, as I told my Astrid this one, she reported, that I lay with my neck sprained and did swimming movements. It was an early morning dream, maybe sleep paralysis has already been "turned off", but REM state not.

I wish you pleasant lucid dreams and hope to hear from you and other Maui dreamers, soon.

Yours Ralf

Hello All, I've been away for almost two full weeks and haven't be reading the Forum faithfully. I just saw Ralf's suggestion for the mutual dreaming experiment. I like the idea. Do we want to set a three week period? We have two holidays coming up this month, the 12th, Veterans' Day and the 22nd, Thanksgiving. We state workers also get the 23rd off. So, that can lead to some sleeping in days. We could all agree to post to the Forum on the same day and the same time. We could say midnight, Hawaii time on a given day and then figure out what our own time would be. I'll give it a try. Let me know.

Hello Joan, Ralph, Hermine and All, Another group experiment sounds great to me. Dates mentioned by Joan sound OK. I read the forum with fascination. Betty

Hey everyone! The experiment sounds good to me, I only just recently feel "up" to the challenge as I have had two lucid dreams since the full moon.

The first one was the usual flying, but the one I had this morning was incredible! It was just as I always wished it could be. I wanted to be awake, but maintain enough calm to just really engage with the dream environment without altering it.

In the dream, I find myself in the house of my boyfriend's aunt, an empowered older woman who personifies many of the qualities I strive for. I have never met her, but look up to for all the stories I have heard. We stayed in this, her beautiful house, on our recent vacation.

I notice there are puddles all about, as if the person who has been watching the house for her has let this happen, carelessly. I go into the bedroom where we slept, and there is someone else in the bed, perhaps the caretaker.

Then I realise I am dreaming. But rather than spin or fly, I just look around, touching objects, really immersing myself in the dreambody consciousness.

A little boy with freckles and bright green eyes comes to me, smiling. I love & trust him immmediately. He takes my hand and leads me somewhere. It is to be finally reunited with the Aunt, Val. She looks nothing like her pictures, she is a thin older woman with silvery hair. We are so happy to see eachother that we embrace and there is an immediate love here as well. My own mother is nearby also.

Then I get to meet the little girl, who is a complete freak of nature. She is only about 9 or 10, but she is incredibly intelligent, moreso then most grownups. She takes an immediate fondness of me, and leads me outside where she begins to read to me from a tiny book. I don't remember what she is reading, but it is profound, and something about circles, and when she is done I am wishing for her to read more.

But she turns to me and asks me the question, "So...how long have you been a shadow?". I am blown away by the provocative question, and think she must mean Jung's idea of the Shadow side, and answer.."I guess forever".

She tells me she went to some kind of Puppet Camp where you learn to integrate your shadow. I am impressed that such a young thing would have already undergone such a mature experience.

Then we begin to play with some elastics, on the road. She wraps a bunch of them around her fingers so quickly. I wonder self-consciously if I can still remember how to make up games, I used to be so naturally playful.

The dream was really tender and I woke up feeling I had been imparted a great message but at the same time, by these lovely guides who support and encourage me. Being led around by children is so gentle and enlightening. They just open themselves to love and trust without hesitation.

Toko-pa

Joan, Betty and Toko

Thanks for the feedback. I think we should take December, 1st, Maui midnight as date for sending in dreams, so we have some weeks to accomplish our task.

Joan, lately I took another look at your Powerpoint Maui Dreamers Presentation. And at the pictures by Shasha and my own prints. They will help me to remember and prepare for the night.

Toko, this was a very tender LD, indeed.

I'm still trying to get used to wake up in the early morning and do MILD. With more or less success. But I think that is my way for the next months. I'm trying also to reduce effort (and time spent), I don't write down dreams (normal dreams) these days and do RCs, whenever I feel the need (not pre - planned). I'm not sure, if it will work this way, but my dream recall is still rather good.

CU in Mana Le'a, all you Maui dreamers. Hope more of us will join this experiment.

Ralf

Ralf --

Did you ever get the link to my photos of Maui?

T

Hey Ralph, thanks for your ideas for our next group experiment. Midnight, December I, Maui time at Mana Lea Gardens sounds right to me. I too hope many will join in. Just all our commingled energies should be powerful. I can still picture faces and plan to concentrate on everyone individually, and as a group.

I understand that when we concentrate and visualize an experience, our minds then accept this as a real life experience. Betty

Toko

I did use the link, saw some pictures, but wasn't able to navigate on this site. I don't know why.

Betty

Remember, that we have some weeks time to have a LD or NLD on the subject. We only send in the reports on December, 1st.

Ralf, Lucid Dreams have been eluding me, so during this next few weeks, I plan to do some serious intending, concentrating and visualizing to bring about LD. Betty

Hi, Maui dreamers!

Take a look at my latest WILD (in the thread Post Your Lucid Dreams), if you like.

Hopefully to meet you all in LD wonderland

Ralf

Okay, so as I understand the deal, at the same time as it is 2400 hours (midnight) on the 1st of December in Maui, we will post our dreams that we've had about the Maui dreamers. And we are going to take all dreams, not just lucid ones. For example, I had a dream about "Toko" last week, but I tell you now because I don't think it counts as the Toko in the dream was an Asian male, who I didn't recognize but knew he was named "Toko." I encountered him at my childhood home, and he was driving a bright red travel trailer. In our dream reports we should give dates (which should be easy to do) and times (as best we can estimate). I'll get Jerry working on this, too. Maui in now two hours different than CA since we went off daylight savings time. So, we will send our reports at 0200 hours on the 2nd of December. I have had a couple of lucid dreams lately. Nothing as wonderful as Toko's. In one I became lucid when I realized that I wasn't wearing any pants. I first said to my dream friends, "This is so much like a dream." Then I told the other people with me that this had to be a dream, but they didn't believe me. To prove that it was a dream I tried to fly. At first I couldn't get off the ground and then could fly after I reminded myself that only moments before I was wearing pants and now they had disappeared! Then I flew around over the heads of the others. They stayed on the ground telling me that I shouldn't fly because it can't be done. By the way, my pants came back while I was flying. On the other hand, a few nights later I was in a shop and realized that I was not wearing a shirt or bra. I had been fully dressed when I first went into the shop. To solve the problem I quickly bought a lovely long sleeved teeshirt with a picture of a polar bear on it. Last night in a dream I realized that I was wearing one black high heeled shoe and one beige low heeled shoe. I was walking along with this very unusual gait and the odd shoes but it didn't occur to me that I might be dreaming. I just tried to hide the mismatched shoes from the people I was with. Sigh--- It's good to hear from you all. Where's Alan?

Hi, Joan. Nice to see you.

Interesting, that you had the "odd wearing /clothes" dreamsign for some days. I had the same with "smoking". Congratulations. I've caught a cough, so I not well focussed on LD practise these days. Yes, I understand the experiment, as you do. Some questions did arise: How often are we supposed to meet? I mean: When I do it one time and meet three dreamers, I should, if I do it a second time, meet three dreamers and myself. I always have this problems with the huge and largely unknown characteristics of time and my narrow, small, simplistic mind...

I, too, wonder, where Alan is, and what happened to his "testimonial", I suppose, the work presses hard, that is what he said some weeks (or were it month?) ago. Maybe we should really come around by UFO, downunder, and abduct him. He said, he is ready... Wouldn't that be fun?

Ralf

Call me dense, but I am confused about the plan. We are lucid-meeting at any time from now until midnight Hawaii time, right? So by setting the intention 2 weeks in advance, we will have it "right" at the proposed time?

The part about posting our dreams at midnight Hawaii time has me confused...does it matter when we post?

Here is a link to a Hawaii Time Clock, so everyone is clear about the conversion:

http://swissinfo.net/cgi/worldtime/clock.pl?Honolulu,Hawaii

Joan: That's funny about your Chinese man named Toko - Before meeting me, many people think I may be Asian.

Ralf: So glad you liked the photos - I am really fond of them, especially the one of you in those goggles. Any thoughts, ideas on that Lucid Dream I had? It stays with me, as if there is much more to understand.

Sognio D'oro (Italian for...May Your Dreams be Full of Gold)

Toko-pa

Hi, Toko

The design is not that easy to understand, but easy to do...

Our intention is still the same: We want to meet in LD (or non LD) in Mana Lea and see, who is there, what information we can get. We want to perceive, what goes on. And then write it down and compare dreams. Maybe it would be helpful, if everybody would do something special or wear something special etc, that would probably serve as a sign, when we later on compare the dreams.

The plot is as follows:

1. Write down any lucid or non lucid dream concerning Maui dreamers or the place or related subjects. From now on until December, 1st, Maui midnight time. No matter when in this space of time the dream or the dreams happened. Let's suppose, you dream of Stephen giving a lecture on nose rubbing as a dream prolonging technique in the night of 15. November. You think: That is strange, but a good idea. You don't get lucid. Write down the dream. In 19. November you get lucid while Keelin gives you a butterfly. You "correctly" tip your finger on your head and then leap into the air and do some somersaults. Then you look around, if anybody else is there, how they look, what they do, how is the environment, etc. Maybe you could ask Keelin for help. But take care: I have been never quite sure, whether she is 100 percent real... Then do whatever you want, but remember to write down the dream.
2. Then, post your dreams December 1st, Maui midnight time (2359 h = 11:59pm)
3. Then we have maybe one week time to discuss our dreams and enter the next cycle.

Of course, the design of this experiment assumes a model of time and space and dreams and abilities, that is not the common one. We assume, it doesn't matter, when we dream of meeting. But we post our dreams at the same time with the thought of not to influence each other by posting reports earlier. Any comments regarding the experiment are welcome!

Thanks for the clock link. So, Maui midnight 23:59 h 1.12. would be 10:59 2.12. in Germany

Thoughts and ideas regarding the dream you posted on November, 4th in this thread?

CU in LD

Yours Ralf

Dear American friends!

One more time I have to express my compassion. I hope this one is really "just" an accident. It is somehow strange, that I am forced to have this hope. Our world has changed.

Time to wake up, it seems.

Yours Ralf

P.S. Of course this one goes to all Americans, not only to the Maui dreamers!

Dearest Ralf,

Thank you for your caring and compassion.

Betty

Dear fellow Maui DreamCampers

As you might have read, I'm working on a webpage regarding our Maui time. If anybody doesn't want his (first)names mentioned and photos exposed, please email me. In any case if I do it and anyone doesn't agree later on: Feel free to give comments. I want to respect your privacy AND create a vivid report.

Yours Ralf

My email ralf.penderak@t-online.de

Hi, Hermine

Fine to see you are online again

The spoon...

A spoon is something we call "spoon" which is a pattern of energy and matter and we can say that dreams are the substance that the things are made of and what if the dream is over and you awake to the clear light?

Just a thought

You had to devour the cat. If it was my dream, eating the cats meat possibly would mean to continue transforming something in connection with my former wife, that she had already begun to transform (it is meat). So, you might know, what the cat means for you. During my today's MILD session, I had a dream, in that I got devoured by some flying animals. I recognised, I'm dreaming, woke half up and my first thought was to surrender and so I did, while the dream faded. The process of devouring or getting devoured is something special. I wanted to find out, how it is to stay aware while my dream ego and body is torn in pieces. Maybe next time I can fully perceive it. It must be something quite transforming.

Ralf

Great news, my friends!

I have been working on a proposal since Hawaii, for a documentary television series on Dreams & Dreaming. A few months ago, I sent the proposal to a national television network and to my great excitement, they have just made me an offer!

They have offered to broadcast the 22-part series as well as fund the development and a portion of the production. I accepted the offer on Monday.

It is just the first step in a long line of efforts to make this program, but I am heartedly encouraged by this windfall.

I wanted to tell you right away, my dreamer friends, and hope to bring the show to a network near you, too!

Much blessings,

Goddess of the Dream-Mist

Aloha, Toko-pa!

Such good news to celebrate! Congratulations!!!! I know you will bring something very special to this series. I wish you the very best of all possibilities!

Love, Keelin

Hi all, Good offer to you Toko-Pa, the best change to bring dreams out in the world. I am excited of the next dreamnight. Maui, inspiration and inviting the spirits to all of us! Enjoy the sharingdreamnight and whispering winds Hermine

Well, I was not successful in dreaming about my Maui friends. I also did not have any lucid dreams during the experimental time. Sigh ' Jerry, on the other hand, had one dream that had Stephen in it. He had the dream on 23 November 2001 at about 0400 hours. He reports that in the dream he was in a conference hall with a lot of people. Among the people there were several children and several Buddhist monks. The monks were going to help everyone to get "to a higher level.' Everyone put on a thin, flexible metal headband. In each row the headbands were connected together by another thin band. Jerry was on the end of one row. As the exercise started, he excused himself to go outside. When he returned, the exercise was over. It had been successful and everyone except him was now at the higher level.

Hi all! In the last month I had only one LD. It was using the WILD technique. I tried twice and succeeded once. Some very nice objects appears and the dream was about appreciated them in a lucid state. Yesterday I made a lot of thing for the experiment. Looked at the butterflies, smelt the grapessed oil, looked at objects I brought from Mauí and at the pictures from you all. I had a nap and I had a NLD I was preparing myself to have LD. Now it is 6:00 am and I just waked up from a LD. I was having a bad dream that I don't remember and I got lucid somehow. I start walking in a street looking for someone from the workshop. Since I was afraid I would not have very much time I decided to "call" Hermine. There were some dark hair a woman in front of me and I changed their hair to blond but she was still not her, then I saw Hermine sitting near by. She was looking great. She was so peaceful, there was a king of enlightenment around her. I did want to ask her something about my problems but they seem so little near that emanation of light and peace. I asked her if she had something to say and she said no. After that I think I forget the experiment and decided to have a good time with a man around. See you Beatrice

Tuesday, 20. November 2001

Yesterday I slept from 1930 to 2130 then forced myself to get up. I worked on my new homepage. Then shut my eyes at 01:30. Did the 61 Point exercise and thought of our Maui experiment. The next thing I remembered is that I was hovering.

Dream or OBE? I realise it being a dream or OBE like state. My first reaction is to force it, in spite of my somewhat fuzzy awareness remember, that this may be too much. I relax and decide to go with the flow and think, this may help to stabilise the hovering feeling. I see nothing. When I feel, that hovering gets stable, I try the spinning thing. It works very slowly. After some drifting between relaxation and forcing the spinning movement I have the impression, that I'm finally rolling out of bed and hover some feet above the floor in a horizontal position. OK. Now, I still see nothing. I try to open my eyes. It doesn't work. Somehow I get the idea to open a book. Just the thought and a book appears in my hands. And as I open it, I see the pages and the whole room. It is our bedroom. I'm exited. And satisfied, that I could turn the visual perceptions on. (Create them...)As soon, as the visual environment appears, I have a dreambody, that is running involuntary towards the window, more exact, to the curtain. I stop and turn around. Just to test my state one more time, I do a high jump from the bed to the floor. The takeoff feels very realistic, the touchdown is too slow and I don't feel a real gravity. OK. I'm actually dreaming. Somehow I'm forced to go on, I'm not really acting fully voluntary. I walk through our floor to the kitchen. It is still dark, I hardly see definite forms. It would be funny, to turn the light on, to do this often quoted experiment. I know, that there is our Maui - Experiment, too. I press the light switch. The effect is very small. But it looks like our kitchen. I walk to the window. The Maui experiment! I recognise, that there is a flaw in perception: I'm standing, where the kitchen table is in real life. So this seems to be no real OBE, I think. I turn around to see, whether I'm standing "in" the table, whether I can create this table and to feel how it is, when I try to walk through the table. I feel the already fuzzy dream fading. The Maui experiment! I try to get into spinning. But I can't get the feeling, I feel physical body again. I don't move, but relax and intend spinning. After some time there are some images, it feels like dreaming again, but I can't step into a new dream. I'm awake, satisfied with new experiences in dream - navigation, but sorry for the missed occasion regarding the Maui experiment.

Comment: Certainly I'm influenced by my ongoing lecture of W. Zurfluh regarding lucid dreams and OBE. That gets visible in the way I "get out of body". It is the first dream I remember, that takes place in our apartment. I live here more than one year. I interpret, that the dream's seed moment was, that I thought I was out of body and therefor dreamed about a more or less accurate model of our apartment. (I didn't see myself lying in bed) I ask myself, why I wasn't able to do the Maui experiment. I think, in this situation I was somehow limited by my expectations, not totally lucid, too much involved with the environment. And then: I didn't move enough to stabilise the dreambody and I focussed my thoughts too hard. The next time I should simply take off, where ever I may be and fly to Maui. Or simply turn around and wish to see the pool etc. I simply didn't know how to do it in the dream. I'm not sure, whether this was a WILD. But I think so, because I felt my physical body, after I tried to force the hovering in the beginning of the dream. But I can't be sure. It is sometimes not easy to say exactly: The dream is over. I'm awake.

Monday, 26. November 2001

In a non lucid dream I'm being hunted by someone. On my way I meet Alan T., who seems to be on a bicycle trip with a woman.

Friday, 30. November 2001

During a morning MILD session, dedicated to the Maui experiment: (Bed time 2:30) I'm on a beach. Someone slept in, a male person, as far, as I remember. I take his head in my hands, because otherwise he would drown. The tide is rising and his body is floating, some of his things float away, I still hold his head, that somehow morphs to a square. The square is the last thing I remember before waking up. Some female voice mumbles downstairs. I call "Who is there?". She answers "It is me!" "Ah, it is you, mom." I say, but I don't know, how I did come to this, I don't know the voice at all. I think it would be fun to jerk off before starting the day. I walk across the floor, thinking about what image to choose. I recall a girl, who was in my nursing class. Wonder, why it should be her. I can't move and decide to take off my trousers. It is white hospital - clothing (I don't wear it since a year). But what is that there on the ground? My left leg lies there. I look away. How can that be? I look back, it is still there. With a white sock on. It is my leg! That feels strange and confusing. So I'm still dreaming. I had a false awakening. I'm very exited. Cool down!! Remember the Maui experiment! I force myself to be calm, I look around, but don't focus anywhere, with the intention to stabilise the scene. It looks like upstairs in my grandmother's house. (She died some years ago, the house is sold). I move a little. The dream begins to fade. How should I stabilise it? I decide to use the dreambody, I walk downstairs. I clearly perceive the dreambody, while the visual environment fades. I start spinning. But it doesn't work this time. I feel physical body again, I can't spin anymore. So, I'm awake in physical body again. It is 11.15 am. I don't move, but try to enter dreamstate again. I'm getting close, but don't succeed. I think it is too late. Next time I should get up earlier, physical body already had too much sleep.

Saturday, 1.12.01 ca. 11.00 MEZ (= GMT +1h)

The best picture I got, not in a dream, but while trying to enter a dream:

A person in monk's clothing walking at the pool at Mana Lea in the dark. I can't see the face, it is hidden by the hood. Then I see a hand carrying a round white thing, as large as the palm. Then I see this person again.

I seem to be too tense wanting to succeed in having a lucid dream now. Next time...

Sunday, 2. December 2001

A final hard try. I watch Toko's slideshow. Then I lie in bed awake for ca. 1.5 hours and let myself imagine all kinds of Maui scenes and dreamers. Bedtime 0114 am, wake alarm 0445, get up 0549. Recall one dream: I'm seeing and using a kind of search machine / slide show regarding the Maui experiment. There is some struggle about how to use it. Stephen LaBerge gives comments, Toko Pa, too. The dream is fuzzy and I drift between dreaming and waking.

0720 - 1000 am After writing down the dream, eating a piece of cake, having a cup of tea, answering Kate's mail and enjoying Toko's slide show one more time I go back to bed. Do the 61 points, start the MILD exercise with different themes: The search machine dream, memories of Mana Lea and dreamers faces. The next thing I remember is that...

... A. , a member of my table tennis team, claims, that he can work with dreams, too. There is nothing about it, I shouldn't make such circumstances. (My brother, who is in my team, too, did - in a somewhat accusing manner - complain, that I don't come to our training and my performance gets worse. I said, that I have discovered more important subjects, i.e. lucid dreaming and my osteopathy course. He only knows, that I'm into some "woo -woo" things, he is not the type for subtle discriminations...) He (A.) says, he is going to write a dissertation about this subject. He looks at some prints in a strange small machine (reminds me of a dial disc, like the first telephones have had) to prove, that it is easy. The next thing I remember is, that I turn off a faucet of a bathing tub. The water drops to the outside of the tub, not the inside. I find another faucet, correctly attached to the wall, water running into the tub. I think, it would be better to turn it off. A body / somebody lies in the tub. A white body like, only outlined, like a shadow. I wonder and turn away from the sight. I'm hovering. "I'm dreaming!" I say it loudly and clear. I'm hovering in front of a mirror and am curious about my reflection. Looks quite similar (I saw my face in Toko's slideshow, too) I wonder how it would be to get closer and dive into the mirror, but I remember the Maui - task. I turn around and try to walk. My body feels stiff, like I'm still perceiving my sleeping position. OK. So, I have to do something, otherwise the dream would fade. I'm just willing myself to hover out of the bathroom, it works. But the dream fades. I try spinning, lie still, but it doesn't work. I stay in my position and test my nostrils (part of the LI experiment). I relax and get into a hovering feeling, perceive a dark environment for a few seconds, but can't do anything. I open my eyes. It is 0930. I'm trying to get back, perceive some pretty hovering feelings, but can't enter a dream.

So, these are my dreams regarding the 1st of December Maui experiment. I'm glad, that some were lucid. And I'm curious about your dreams and our discussion.

Hello, I was on a pinnacle and went down skiing very fast I dared to keep my body in a position backwards with my knees bowed so I went even faster.This was a wonderful feeling. At the end I arrived in the bushes/flowers with thorns and people came to help me out this circumstance.It was easy to do so and then Kelly Bulkeley asked me if I had my cap of Maui.( I bought one with the letters Maui on it at Mana Lea's gardens the day we went to the needle mountain. ) I realized I had a cap of Helma, a woman from utrecht with her name on it, but I remembered quite well the Maui cap. Another question was about living in America or living in Berkeley and I realized I wanted to live in that area. (The interesting thing is Betty Bosdell the Teacher of Voice Dialogue who came over from San Deigo to give a workshop on dreams too, did her first session with Helma and worked with the part who wanted to be a medicinewoman or travel to the States and have some tribal experience there.) In the second part of the dream I tried to contact our Maui situation by being in the kitchen. I looked for the people around the table Joan was sitting on a throne,I tried little poetry, Joan on the throne, Jerry on the phone and I was thinking of Tom and Jerry, then I noticed Ralf, "on his behalf" "on behalf of Ralf"I tried words as a rhyme with the name (in our country we have Sinterklaas this week and do a lot of rhymes.)I saw Betty, I believed she brought family energy for the group.Like"aunt Betty",Robert was near the beach when I met him and I could hear the ocean again.The other memories vaded away with the sounds and I didn't stay in touch with my kitchen area. Although I realized Keelin, Stephen and the others must be near. Again a flash of Toko pa with chance and change by the television. I thought that must be nice to have such an influence on the outcome and then I slept through the morning hours and woke up. I will react later on your dreams, this was my first impression of the dreamnight. Hermine

Hello, Mona Lea Dreamers, for various reasons, I did not do much with our experiment. I hope there will be more opportunities. I was away from home on the Dec. 1st, and because of the bad weather, I just didn't drive back home, so here is my post on Dec. 2. Before reading the others posts, I am sending what little I have.

As a result of our experiment, I had one short, non-lucid dream that pertained to Mana Lea Gardens. This was a clear dream in which I saw many wooden tables with benches. (Since Maui, I have had several dreams of these tables when groups of us were eating. Since they were non-lucid I did not post them.) Now I am glad to have anything to post!

Several time, I visualized everyone at Mana Lea indivually, and groups in various settings during various activities. I also concentrated on a favorite, porcelain figure of Buddha that I thought might come through too someone.

Bye now Sweet Dreamers, Betty

Aloha, Dear Dreamers!

While reading your posts on the recent Maui Dream experiment, I couldn't help but notice the mention of monks a couple of times. I know it's past the official report time, and I've no dreams that would fit the focus of the study, nevertheless, below is from the night of November 16th, 2001:

A bit of humor on the hypnagogic horizon:

Protesting Buddhist monks demonstrating/chanting: "What do we want??" "Now!!" "When do we want it??" "Now!!"

;-> Keelin

Dear Maui dream friends!

I'm glad, that at least some of you thought of our experiment. Some dreams actually lead us to Maui, we've seen dreamers, some dreams were lucid. All this is a nice success. The thing with the triple monks dream is interesting, too. Jerry's dream reminds me of the game/film eXisTenCe. And is somewhat like a row of masked dreamers, interconnected (by ESP?). I hope, he doesn't judge the experiment as "uniformed enlightenment". Maybe the ESP thing makes one fear to be unconsciously manipulated. At least for me this has been the case occasionally.

I don't really know, what the function of "my" monk was. The white slice may allude to enlightenment or lucidity and/or wholeness. A nice synchronicity, anyway. In my eyes not clear enough to count as ESP proof. My monk walked at the pool and a brown coat and his hand was all I could see. He didn't talk to me. Keelin's monks chanted a "presence" song. Now!

I'm pleased, that you, Beatrice, have been able to have lucid dreams at will (more or less) - like me. One success with two WILD tries. I think that is a good score. I used the MILD technique, it IS powerful. A very beautiful LD, indeed. And you showed the right balance of intention and going with the flow. I seem to have to work on that exercise... Beatrice called and saw Hermine.

Hermine surprises me over and over: "In the second part of the dream I tried to contact our Maui situation by being in the kitchen." This is the way you express, that you were lucid and able choose a certain environment. Hm. How did you do it? There are interesting parallels: You saw the following dreamers: Joan, (Jerry?), Ralf, Betty, Robert, then you suspected Keelin, Stephen and the others to be near and saw a flash of Toko.

Betty thought of the experiment and saw the benches (Hermine saw the "kitchen"). Betty, did you see the kitchen's benches or were they different? And your Buddha did somehow come through to Jerry and to Keelin, too. ;->

I saw Alan in a NLD, but not on Maui. I saw a monk (that was a hypnagogic image), but I didn't see any member of our group. So, there is no "pair", which saw each other. (This time). This was the aim, at least for me, to see you and be seen by you. I always intend to "only see the Maui dreamers, who dream of Mana - Lea, too."

And now my questions (and I'm addressing everyone, not only the Maui - dreamers) :

How can I, once lucid, get in contact with other Maui dreamers? Why did my lucid dreams always fade, when I intended to do, what I planned? And how can I prevent it, prolong the dream, reach our goal?

When is the next closing date? I suggest January, 16th, 2002, that is Sunday, with an eye on the Christmas and new-year celebrations. But maybe we should chose a different time of day, not midnight. Or we should send our dreams to someone, who isn't involved in the experiment. And that person then sends the dreams to the LI forum in a bundle.

I think it is good, to have this experiment. It motivates me to work on LD techniques, and thereby increases LD frequency.

What do you think?

Yours Ralf

Hello monk dreamers and table participants, Mana Lea's gardens brought us again a divine energy, whereever one of us was present in the dream. By being in the kitchen and looking for the people around the table, I mean exactly the tables we were sitting at, during all our meals. We were not sitting in the kitchen, I noticed the place were all of us were together during all the meetings at breakfast, lunch and dinner time and in the meanwhile for reading, talking etc. I believe I can be somewhere else in my dream. What they write in the books of mutual dreaming, you can also be with somebody, in another part of the world. That's a nice thing. I told you about the book of Mutual Dreaming and L.M.'s explanation that the other people agree you do so. As we as a group promissed eachotehr to do so at Mana Lea's gardens. I remembered the Buddha, and made a picture with Betty and the Buddha and Betty made one from me and the Buddha. It' didn't get that much attention in the dream, Although Kelly Bulkeley has written about Exploring the religious Meanings of Dreams, Spiritual Dreaming and he teaches at the Graduate Theological Union at the University of California in Berkeley. Recently he did research on the election of Bush and at ASD about Socrates. I wonder he was in my dream again , like the other time about the highest mountain in the world question when I answered him in the dream the Himalaya. ( translation has to do with "The mother energy) Love Hermine I hope you will all join the Peace on Earth meditation from the 14th of December till teh 21th of December on 11 am and 11 pm in the whole world by a lot of ASD members.

Okay, this is just too weird, I've got to chime in...

Hi folks, it's Laura. Remember me? I'll skip all the boring explanations for why I've been gone, and the apologies for failing email (well, I'll save them for another post) and jump right into the weird stuff:

First off, I was only vaguely aware of the latest Maui dream experiment. The last posting I had read, before today, was approximately Nov 6, when plans were just beginning to be formulated. I had NOT read any of the "monk" dreams. After reading all the reports today, I looked back through my November dreams to see if I had recorded any dreams involving Hawaii, or about any of us. I didn't have much hope, because I knew there were only a handful of dreams recorded for that month.

And indeed, no dreams of Hawaii or of any of our group. But as I reached the tail end of my last dream (NLD) report on Nov 30, I was suddenly blown away to read the following:

As we go in, I see that several of the diners are in orange Dalai Lama-style robes. I turn and comment to my husband that at least now we know that it is a vegetarian restaurant, which I hadn't known before. (My husband is a vegetarian) As I say this I see immediately above me, to the left, a large sign that says "Vegetarian <something>". I "remember" that the sign outside had not said that.

I also had some thoughts about how those robes make people look alike, plus how many monks do have facial features similar to the Dalai Lama's, so the guy who sat in my row on the airplane probably wasn't him. But I may have been somewhat awake when I was thinking this.

Interesting coincidence, huh? Since I'm determined to find a logical explanation, perhaps monks were in the news in November and we all noticed it subconsciously? Okay, I admit that's a stretch.

I should explain the last part of the journal entry; it requires a little background to make sense:

On the flight back from Hawaii in May (really, no dream) I was seated in the same row as a monk in an orange robe; the Dalai Lama was visiting San Jose that next week and when I saw his picture I thought it looked like the same person.

Since then, I've figured it was unlikely for several reasons: other pictures I've seen don't have the same resemblance, I'm infamous for my inability to recognize faces, I didn't notice any grand fuss at the airport when I landed, and there were probably lots and lots of monks coming to San Jose to be there when the Dalai Lama was there.

But anyway, that's why it was on my mind. I guess that gives this dream a tenuous "Hawaii" connection after all!

Okay, that's it for now. Long "catch-up" posting later, I promise. In the meanwhile, I've put my new email address in my profile.

Hi, Laura

Of course I remember you. And I'm glad to see your black traces on the white ground again. Your monk dream is interesting. A nice conspiracy of monks, isn't it? Maybe we should be monk - like more often in the sense of meditating and helping and looking for the light. But we do! Maybe a sign of brotherhood and sisterhood? A divine energy, like Hermine wrote? We can speculate and we can go on experimenting. I'm curious about the next results in January.

Hermine

Would you please give me title and author of your book on mutual dreaming? I can't find your post.

Hi Ralf,

Thanks for being out there for all of us. December experiment: You asked for further information to clarify my dream about "tables and benches.' This was a non-lucid, very clear, black and white dream. I saw a large room, which was filled with nothing but bare tables with attached benches. During the dream, I did not specifically identify them as our Maui tables. However, Immediately on awakening, I knew they were "our tables.'

I am interested in further experiments. January seems like a good time. Just a thought-- perhaps our focus could be on just one person, "a good Lucid Dreamer', at a specific place such as the tables where our meals were served. Several have mentioned the tables.

Then there are all those monks, do they have a place in our next experiment.

Hope to see all of you in dreams.

Betty

Dear Betty

It is strange, but when I read in the forum, I don't feel you "out there", but right here. The thought of the place sounds good to me. The thought of focussing, too. But if you focus on one dreamer and he isn't able to lucid dream of Maui in that time, what can we say, then? On the other hand, it may be surely a good motivation for the "experienced" one to have another LD. My thought on this experiment is to make the shared, the mutual experience, seeing each other. That is not simple telepathy, but mutual. (Although simple ESP is not that bad :-) )

Let's see, what other participants have to say to this subject, and if, who will be the "experienced" one. My suggestions would be: Keelin (of course, maybe appearing as a chanting monk, or a butterfly), Hermine (she did it in one trial), Beatrice (she was able to "call" and see Hermine) , Toko (she had this mutual dreams), Joe (always good for a surprise), myself (I think, I'll succeed this period), I think we have a lot of experienced Maui - dreamers, don't be sad, if I didn't mention you.

CU in LD

Yours Ralf