Hi Joan,

About time, The Netherlands and Germany have 9 hours time difference with California , so now it is 22.30 in the evening here and 13.30 in California in the afternoon......... I read your email again and thought he what is happening , a time shift? In your dream, in reality? Hermine See you at the Conference ,don't worry about a dreamdress, before you leave you just take something from your cupboard with you!

For Ralph only........ Hej Ralph, I remember you taught me again the 16 points in Maui, and it worked immediately that night, take it easy and just do the 16 points and you will be happy again, dreaming as a "moving tree" Hermine

@Toko

Great success, LD and ESP. And a chance for an interesting job.

@Hermine

Moving... ok. I thought about resisting my resistance. Just standing, growing, being, like trees do. Going through the 61 points is rewarding. It is a great joy, you are absolutely right.

@all the non - lucid dreams, I remember today:

A man is talking to me in a floor. There is a passage into another room, which I can't see. In the other room are some children hearing the voice of the man. They know him, they want to see him, but he will not come to them. I think it would be unfair to send another man, it would be a bad substitute. Like a hooded crow is different to a carrion crow. The hooded crow flies below the carrion crow. The hooded crow is waiting for remains of carrion falling down.

While trying to remember this dream I notice, that it is very easy for me to enter a dream about the same subject, and it is funny to watch, how the dream changes, how more and more details about the man or the crows are revealed. But I don't understand the meaning of this dream.

One of my Guramis (fish) is dead. Lying on it's side in my fish tank.

I sometimes dream about my fish tank. But didn't succeed to catch this dreamsign. (Maybe because I'm so used to look at the aquarium). Ah, I caught it about a year ago, did an RC but didn't get lucid. In the last weeks a lot of my fish died and I couldn't find out the reason. I still work on creating a water quality similar to the natural.

Those of us who share the name Joe object to these questionable connotations!!!

just kidding... ;~0

Joseph<<<<standing a full 6' tall!

What about G.I. Joe?(God to most baby-boomers)

will someone explain 61 points?

Toko,

Warner? Far out! Hope you get that killer job. Remember to look punky :-)

@ Alan This huge unknown universe leaves space even for a million gods called Alan

@ Joe: "Hey, hey, Joe! Where are you going with that gun in your hand?!"

Todays dreamlets:

Somebody says, that it is important to remember making strings, that is money. I'm surprised, because in this case (dreaming/ spirituality) I wouldn't expect this thought. I see a transparent plastic bag, with strings made of metal inside. I'm astonished about the kind of money used in the U.S. In jest I say to my son: We have to make some strings now.

I'm under pressure. I distract from the situation, thinking, I should have a cigarette. I have a cigarette in my hand and look for fire, wondering, why I should smoke at all. I have stopped smoking!

I'm depressed and don't know why.

Nice display of increasing dreamsign - awareness, that's what I think. It's important to be asthonished, surprised and to wonder. And next time to remember to recognise, I'm dreaming...

Yours Ralf

Thanks Alan -- I have been racking my closet!

Today is the interview...

I feel somewhat spent after a night of stressful, vague dreams.

It is a symptom of having sworn off the music industry 6 months ago, when I found myself hanging by a final thread. I had neglected everything life-giving in exchange for my bully of a job.

Now, I am anxious to be making some kind of an impact on the world and feel a little as if this is a step backwards, though the offer tempts with all of its profile and lifestyle.

I will go to the interview. We'll see.

Love,

Toko

PS: Ralf...is your job bullying you too?

(Beautiful Dreamers: I hope to join you. I haven't been able to post, but thanks to KEELIN'here I am!)

Hello Hermine, (RE: Your post of June 30)

Thank you for the reference to, "The Tibetan Art of Healing'. Just the thought of a healing, ' to cure our most fundamental, disease-primordial-ignorance'' is just awesome. There must be a special word to cover such an experience. Since our bodies and minds are our avenues to realizations, it is well to be healthy.

I am for a healing evening. Perhaps we could use meditation and visualization to invite LD, and see ourselves free from some of this "ignorance'. Perhaps, better still, we could agree on a specific thing we want to bring about in our lives. Meeting in LDs is one such thing. I like the iaea. Hermine, what are some of your thoughts on a healing evening?

I have experiences LD all my life, but, with no understanding. I chose to go the "mediation route." DC was a mind opener to possibilities "never dreamed of'. When I asked about relationship of LD and meditation, I see both as altered states of consciousness. In each we strive for knowledge and positive change.

Also, when I think of dream bodies, psychic bodies and oobes, astral bodies, I wonder, are they all the same under different names. Until later, Betty

Toko, Re: Music Industry.

Life is ever surprising. Guess who emailed me this morning? Ralph McTell, writer/singer of "Streets of London" and other acoustic folksy-bluesy numbers big in the 60s and 70s. He was checking my eddress before discussing the songs I wrote back then. He was among the muso group I had contact with then, but I never actually met him. Maybe he wants to cover some of my numbers on a new album? Hope so.

Hi Betty, nice to hear from you!

@Toko Bullying: Hmmmm. That not the right word. I'm not terrorised in my job at the hospital. I'm very good and don't need to fear anything. I feel safe and have much fun at work. But it is exhausting, too. It is not that easy to keep aware and do my RC during labour. And its not easy to get up early, I am mostly not able to write down dreams, because I get up very "late". I worked much more in June, because we needed the money (Maui has cut a hole, that has to be filled up again. And I'm dreaming of joining LI dreamcamp next year.) I bully myself opening my practice. I am so chicken - hearted to take this step, oh my!

@Alan You are the Defender of the Really Realistic Science's Point of View. We need you! I found Dominick's expression fitting well: Doubt is not the right word. Let's say: Open scepticism.

I'm again and again baffled, in how many things you've been (you stated being a genetically predisposed dilettante)

Some notes on today's dreams:

I'm running uphill. It is an easy training. I enjoy it. There are some other people running. There comes a point, when the road gets very steep. I keep on running. I'm in a good condition. But there is a little fear of falling. I've reached a platform. In front of me a wall in the hill, maybe 20 meters high. There is a ladder standing at the wall. I try to climb up, but it stands too steep. I'm afraid to climb up further. Afraid to fall. I take the ladder and go some steps away from the wall. And lean the ladder towards the wall again. Now it doesn't even reach it. It falls down to the ground. I take it up again and try another, steeper ankle.

This one relates to my professional ambitions and fears. I want to get higher, reach the top (start my practice) and have fear of falling. I want to play too save, but that impedes my progress.

My friend M tells me something about the delicious skin of girls or young women. And that it has been easy for him to come twice in a short time, while sleeping with a girl.

In former times I envied my "Casanova - like" best friend and all his stories about having sex and success. I've had a very delicious experience with my beloved girlfriend this night. There is no need for a young skin, but for my heart to be young and open, for my love and dedication.

I hit S, a former girlfriend (more than ten years ago) in the street near my recent house. She asks me, if I would accompany her to the theatre. I'm surprised. She hasn't been into this. I ask her, why she wants to do it now, while we are walking to my house. And I think, that my Astrid wouldn't be pleased at all, if I would do, what S asked me to. She explains, that she simply wants to do it. She goes out very often on her own. Her parents are wondering, when she will have a boyfriend again.

I awake and am somewhat bothered, that I've missed this dreamsign again: Feeling guilty in he context of my relation with Astrid. It is funny, but Astrid wanted to take me to the theatre. We are planning this some month now, but don't get to do it. Is it because of my unconscious resistance? I decide to dive into the dream again, to get some more details:

I'm on the highest floor of a building. I just leave a room and close the fireproof door behind me, making my way downstairs. There are no windows, there is only a light shining upwards from the next lower floor.

Must be a very hot thought I'm hiding. Another dive...

I try to remember... there has been a dream with a dark, far away standing pair. I'm in. It's me and S. Now we are only fluids in two cups. S's is bright, mine is dark. We are being put on a scale with LCD display. I think, Astrid couldn't be far away. And there she is, watching the measurement. I'm amused about how my thoughts come true. She shakes the cups, just to see, if something changes. Now I can look inside the "S - cup". The fluid is whitish, like a soup. I'm near to awaking, but like to take a look into the "Ralf - cup". The fluid is darker, reddish. I awake.

Looking back, I find, that this was a real (but short) WILD, although I didn't notice it at first, because it is too similar to the kind of dreams I have, while trying to remember my nights dreams, when I wake up in the morning. I had no sense of physical body. It wasn't only a fantasy, but a dream evolving by itself, triggered by my intention, memories and expectations. I still don't know what to make of the thing, but I will talk it over with Astrid. Seems that some memories and emotions ( regarding Ralf, the bad boy, nasty boy)have to be revealed. It is interesting, that these kind of dreams appear, when I get closer, more intimate, deeper in love with Astrid. Seems to be a pattern.

Enough for today. Maybe too many delicate details. But the aim is to get to know our dreams for the mutual experiment.

CU in LD

Yours Ralf

Hi, oneironauts

Today's dreaming news:

A lot of dreamsigns, sometimes aware of the strangeness. (Just like Mario, the steering wheel on the right (that is the wrong)side)O.K. Next time I will remember to recognise it.

Friday, 6. July 2001

I'm sitting in a car on the left side (the driver's seat). A woman (I know her from the osteopathy workshop) is sitting on the right. She is driving. We take a descent from the highway. The road is leading over a gap, it has no guard railing. She is driving very fast. I warn her, because she nearly brakes off the street. That was close. But soon she does it one more time. Now its too late. We fall down from the street into the trench. Its no bad accident. But she is weeping. I hug her and stroke her, telling her to calm down. Now she is running very fast (as if she is driving an invisible car). I'm behind her, wondering, why we are running so fast. She explains, she is in a hurry. I'm satisfied. Its a lot of fun running this fast. I want to jump across a fence. At first it doesn't work. Then I seem to succeed, but I get hanged up with my braces (I never wear any) and am torn back by them incredibly slow. The owner of the ground watches me damaging his fence. Its embarrassing. I awake.

I'm in the hospital. I take part in a study. Seems to be initiated by LI, the neurological department, where I work and my former school. The doctor makes a blood test. There is another man, looking scruffy. (Remembers me of one of the two loafers, sitting next to me an my son, as we played outside yesterday). I whisper (to the doctor): He doesn't take his medicine regularly. I wonder, that the doctor has long grey hair now. There is an advertisement for anti - cough medicine: The loafer is mixing poison in his old mother's soup, because she passed her disease on him. The moderator says: Buy this medicine to prevent it. Now there is a meeting of the assistant medical directors (I know them from my work). I don't want to disturb them, they are so stupid about their morning conferences, but disturb us (nurses) again and again. I want to do something useful and go and scrub the stations bathtub, although I know I'm not on duty.

In dreams awake!

Ralf

Hi! Today I was dreaming with a friend that were here in my farm, in that house I always dream with. He starts talking in germany with my mother, and in french with a girlfriend, and I don't know how I realized that I was dreaming. I invited him to fly and I pull his arm and we were flying. I think he was a little be dummy because I have to teach him that is possible to flight in a dream. In reality he was the one who intoduce me to LD. When we were up there I saw the sun and a start. I decided not to try to go for them because last time it didn't worked well and I woke up. I flew a lot. He wasn't there when I decided to meet some people in a farm down there. I have to admit I did nasty things like a children with hipersexuality because my dream was ending and I had to do everything to get the most pleasure, but it didn't worked very well because I didn't convince the dream character enough. I woke up after that. Beatrice

Am I dreaming? My clock still reads the same--soooooooooo, I must be awake. I'll believe it, when this message appears.

Hi Toko, hope you get that job! I too need to understand the 61 points.

Hey Ralf, do I need to know about the 16 points? Seems to me you have the courage to pursue your dreams.

Hello Joan, I received your post re the 61 points, but got an error message. My computer can handle about anything, but I don't always understand how to access.

Hi Jerry, how are you progressing with story writing? (How are the independent seven'your cats that is?)

Laura, Beatrice: I would go shopping with you two anytime.

I remember all of you with fascination.

I feel this kinship with other lucid dreamers-- especially with you Maui 2001 dreamers.

I was just talking to my 21 yr old grandson--his birthday was the 29th. His dad is taking him to reno NV. He has been have been having LD all his life--he had never realized the significance. How could I have have not known? He and I have a lot to talk about.

Sleep well, Betty

Toko-

So, If you haven't gotten a response on 61 points yet, reference stephen's book Exploring Lucid dreams. Essentially it is a technique for full body relaxation and gentle focus. Many successful WILDERs use it or similar techniques.

After lying down and a few deep breadths, the 61 pointer focuses on point 1 - the "third eye" area, the onto point #2 the throat (chakra?) and then on to #3....etc. After completing all 61 points you are either fast asleep or WILDly awake and potentially ready for hypnogogic play or right into vibrations and other symptoms of REM catalepsy. Stephen's book has it - pictures and all. Yours, Dominick ps. I think Alan has a present for you....

Saturday, 7. July 2001

Hello, dreamers

@Beatrice: Nice success. Bravo!

@Toko (et al.): I sent you the exercises description. Did everything work fine?

My today's dreams, including a lucid moment, that is 95 po related to my dreamsign - awareness training. May be interesting for Mario, too.

I burglarised an apartment. There is a baby, lying in the dark in a bed. I don't know why, but somehow I have to show someone the way to the baby. OK. I think, I've got it. There it is, behind a window. But now I recognise, that there lies someone beside it. The daddy. Then it is not that easy, I think. There is a cut. Now I'm a woman, trying to make my way into the house. I have disguised as a door - to - door - salesman for vacuum cleaners. I'm already in, but there is another door to pass. It has to stay open, because I can't open it from my side. But an older pair hits me and wants me to demonstrate the Hoover. (And it is the brand "Hoover", we had one, when I was a child.) The carpet is full of sand and hair, I have to clean a lot, while I praise the advantages of my product to the housewife. Again and again I have to look for the door. It has to stay open. I can't remember, how the dream went on. Maybe I'm stuck with praising until the end of time (Uuurghh 8 - <)

A friend of mine wants to ask me something about osteopathy. I'm proud, waiting for him to arrive. But what he wants to know are administrations details, I don't know. I'm disappointed. He shows me some books, our teacher gave him. I envy him, I had to buy the books on my own. I say: One of the books is about human medicine's history. But as I take a closer look, it turns out to be a dictionary. I was wrong, again. How can that be? I awake.

I'm walking in the street with a dark haired girl. I'm much younger, maybe 16. I want to tell her something, but can't express myself. She seems to understand. She takes off her jacket, she offers herself to me. I like that, but am not sure, if I wanted to say something like this. We turn around, heading to the beach - hand in hand. Some girls seem to get in our way. I wonder, if they know, what we are going to do. We are certainly too young to be allowed to get into sex and similar affairs. I'm somewhat embarrassed. But soon they get out of our way. Except one little, somewhat feeble but nice looking blond girl. She asks, whether she can go with us. I don't know, what to say. The dark girl takes over: Ah. That is what you wanted to say. Its OK. She can go with us. I'm totally surprised. But it is alright. This girl needs love, that is what I think. We come to the beach, standing at the top of a cliff. We can't do anything against it: We are torn down, falling into the sand. It hurts. But I would have expected bad damages. There are none. The dark girl is alright. It must be a dream. I awake. And wonder, where the fair girl has gone.

I had this falling thing in a dream yesterday. And I set my intention to recognising it the next time, while working on the dream. And I did it today. This may be interesting for Mario.

Thanks Ralf & Dom! Yes - I now have all the info for the 61 points meditation - it looks really interesting - I will explore more in the coming days.

Alan...is it what I think it is??

Dom - so nice to hear from you

The interview went really well, but I came away not feeling a kinship with those Warner folks. Usually when something is meant to be, I am impressed with all sorts of Deja Vu and feelings of projecting into the future to look back on the present as if it were the past. (The aligned past). But none of that was there. Instead, I felt quite distanced from that whole music industry vibe, and came away convinced that I am meant for something else. I will keep trying some of my hair-brained ideas in the meantime.

As for lucid dreamers, there seem to be a whole pile of them in my life, who just LD quite naturally and have done it all their lives. But, there is certainly one difference between them and I - it is the difference of our intention.

We never really got down to the nitty-gritty of why everyone in Maui wanted to become an expert Lucid Dreamer, but in most cases it seems to be to achieve some kind of transcendence, be it spiritual, experiential, intellectual...

I suppose the thing about one who doesn't see anything remarkable about their consciousness in dreams, can get stuck in a kind of Groundhog Day, doomed to repeat the same themes.

Hello Maui Folks,

I am happy to hear of your successes with lucid dreaming.

Although, my dreams are not yet lucid, many seem real and are so very clear that they become memories. My last dream was very clear and seemed realistic. As has happened often, I was struggling to move while in sleep paralysis. It seemed I managed to slip out of bed; I could feel my bare feet on the floor. I walked thought the dark house down the hall into the kitchen. There was the kitchen-- just as I had left it the night before with dishes scattered about and pans in the sink. I turned on the faucet and splashed cold water on my arms and face, and said; "Now I know I am awake'. I was surprised to wake still in my bed.

This dream should have been lucid. I didn't think of dream signs or to do any reality checks.

I plan to go with the paralysis into dreaming'should be interesting. I would like to hear of your experiences with sleep paralysis.

Since returning home from Maui, I have had family matters that required my care. Now I have some personal freedom.

I enjoy our forum.

Betty

Sunday, 8. July 2001

Good morning, girls and boys!

This is what my first English teacher said in the beginning of the lesson. Today no dreams to be recalled. My son awoke early and started annoying me. But the day has been a dream yesterday. And I found a solution to my dream with S., while talking about it with my Astrid.

And now, lets have a look at forums news.

@Toko Consciousness seems to be spread in time and space in anyway. But it is funny, how different people find different ways to live with it. "to achieve some kind of transcendence, be it spiritual, experiential, intellectual..." Yes. "one who doesn't see anything remarkable" is condemned to repeat. Why change, when everything works fine? He learns anything.

@Betty "I plan to go with the paralysis into dreaming?should be interesting. I would like to hear of your experiences with sleep paralysis." There is a topic concerning sleep paralysis. And you find some experiences in the threads "Post your WILDs" and "Discussion of primary techniques - Napping" What you plan to do is what I'm working on for some time now. All this 61 point - stuff aims towards entering sleep - paralysis consciously.

"I enjoy our forum." Me too.

Yours Ralf

Toko: Yup, I've got the reference material for the article - see email.

Betty: Did you just find out your grandson did LD? How great that is.

Aloha, Campmates!

Alas, my efforts the other night for the scheduled dream reunion at Mana Le'a Garden's pool were unsuccessful. Plenty of oddities, but none that nudged me into the cool, clear waters of lucidity. Still, and always, you all remain vivid in my heart and mind's eye.

And while I don't hold the same beliefs that some of you may about "mutual dreaming", nevertheless, attempting the dream reunion offers a chance to see dream characters who resemble our waking world Maui companions, it feeds the feeling of connection, and provides motivation for becoming lucid. Choosing a specific night also helps focus my intention. And who wouldn't want to return to even a dreamed version of that paradisiacal location?

Joan: with your interest in this subject, I'm wondering if you are familiar with the story by Gabriel Garcia Marquez entitled "Eyes of a Blue Dog"? I think you'd like it very much.

I am thinking often of our special, wild band of dreamers and hope to be in better touch with each of you as soon as time permits. At present, organizing for the upcoming workshop is shifting into high gear! So in the meantime, I wish the best of adventures in all possible realms to each and every one of you.

Abundant Aloha, Keelin

Hi Keelin and fellow dreamers

@Keelin: Yes, mutual dreams seem very rare. It's not that easy to believe in them. But while telepathy works, why not mutual dreams? I think it is most rewarding to reach out for them. And I too enjoy simply focussing on the pictures of you and all campers in this pleasant environment. I already suspected that you are busy with the next DreamCamp. I missed your proficient comments in the Forum. I wish you much fun and success for the next camp. I hope I (or me and Astrid) can join next years camp.

And now my today's only one remembered dream. It has been good to share it with Astrid and I send dream and interpretation with her consent. I hope, you profit by sharing it and am curious about your reactions.

Tuesday, 10. July 2001

In an undefined room: A woman defends herself against two FBI/ Mafia male members. She uses these star - formed Ninja weapons. She stabs them in their bellies, hiding the star in her hand below a newspaper's page. At first they don't even seem to notice being stabbed, but then they fall to the ground. She sits down on a bed. A fat man comes. She looks at him and thinks, he wants to play sexual tricks on her. She repels him with a kick into his belly. Now she seems save with two other women sitting on her bed. In this dream I am sometimes this woman, sometimes one of the men.

The dream relates to a somewhat raging discussion I had with my beloved girlfriend. It was a "cultivated" below the belt discussion. The dream shows, how words are abused to cover a below the belt attack. I'm happy, that this dark side in both of us is revealed and we can get closer again. That is what we did and still do. It is interesting, that I take the role of the woman in this dream, too. Seems to be a development, that intensified in the run of the last months. Feels good for me. More whole. Has anyone made similar experiences? And what were the consequences in relationship to the partner? I imagine dreaming this one lucid. And I imagine, that "I" would behave different, I'd rather talk, than stab. I'd rather explore, if the men are really a threat for me, or if I really have to treat this woman as an enemy. And I would be interested to find out, who these other two women are. There are so many advantages lying in lucidity.

lucid living

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

Well, I got to be in sleep paralysis during a whole dream. How did I manage that? I can assure you it was not intended. In fact, I feel a little put out about it. There are more pleasant ways to spend a dream.

Last night, Tuesday, July I0, I was rather tired and had lain down on the couch in the kitchen-family room. Soon I was aware of sleep paralysis. The TV was on to some Biblical Epic, and the movie got mixed up with my dream, and so all the while I was lying there and couldn't move, roman solders were marching about the kitchen. They paid no mind to me-and I took no mind of them. I could feel and see myself lying there and kept thinking, there must be some way to restart my body. Seems I let energy run through my body to no avail. I just kept thinking there must be a way I could move. I never let go of the paralysis! It seems this state lasted a long time. Of course the dream ran it's course, and I let go just as I woke. I never knew I had been asleep. This dream was not lucid.

I am certainly going to do some intending and visualization before I go to bed tonight. Obviously, this dream paralysis is going to continue to come about spontaneously, so I want to understand more about it.

I think the all this came about--for yesterday, I very carefully read La Berge's EWLD, chapter 4, "Falling Asleep Consciously'. I had decided to practice WILD using hypnagogic imagery. It never occurred to me to do some initial intending, for I thought I had plenty of time'I like to think things out before taking action.

I wish all of you joyful, fun dreams'that's what I am going to intend. Betty

Hi, Betty

Terrific experience, isn't it? I wonder, if you were dreaming, that you can't move while you watched a dream TV or if you couldn't move and had a mixture of perceptions related to physical reality and some related to hypnagogic imagery. I didn't get the point: Did you know, you are lying in bed, unable to move, seeing soldiers in the room, which you regognised as unreal? If it was so, I think it was a LD.

Successful intentions

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf and Betty and you all I had a LD tonight that worked like a sleep paralysis dream. I was wathing a close up scene of an organic microscope animal. Like an ameba, or could be an animation with computer graphics nurbs sphere. Somehow I realized I was lucid but I didn't know how to get out of there. How to move my body in such a small scaled world? I liked beeing lucid but I had nothing to do, just wait for the end that for sure will come soon.That dream reminded me of the cucaracha dream in Maui. The cucaracha was so close to my face, I was lucid after the flashes of NovaDreamer , but there was no space to move my dream body. Sweet Dreams Beatrice

You lot are are a living riot, and I love you all. Here we have Betty talking about her dream paralysis of Roman soldiers walking around her kitchen; Beatrice talking about being a microscopic animal who can't move, and Ralf trying to interpret it all. Dear God, this is so much better than television.

Love

Alan T.

Yo, man!

Here some dreams:

This is a dream from 12.07.2001. I'm inside a whales mouth, looking at its teeth. I hold a huge knife and compare it to the teeth. The teeth are bigger and sharper. I talk with the whale about its dangerous teeth and that it is almost impossible to escape, once it has got me. A bit of fear occurs, but only for short. Now I'm going deeper into stomach. Thinking about the acid, that might destroy me. I still see through the wide esophagus the teeth. It's not totally like being inside a living whale, its somewhat like being inside a model.

Interesting, that I'm inside a whale today, yesterday I swam in the deep sea besides a whale. Could be the beginning of a dream series. The context of the whale as a model somehow lessend the fear of being swallowed. Next time, I'm encountering a mixture of model and "real" life, I will remember to recognise, I'm dreaming. Next time, I see a whale, I will do a reality check.

Friday, 13. July 2001

I'm standing by a small lake. Astrid is with me. Someone has left a small boat. We are astonished. I ask myself, how the owner of the boat could leave it here, after he rowed to the other side. We get in and with a long stick I drive the boat across the lake.

I'm in the same dreamscape again. This time experimenting with a kind of laser (yesterday I've read a pleasant woo woo book where laser and time bending were subjects). I think about how it would look, if I pointed the laser at someone's shadow, creating a shadow's red third eye. Would look fine. But as I point to at a building's wall across the lake, the point isn't that sharp, but weak and white, not red. I relate this to the distance and the bad quality of this device. And remember, that I don't wear the ND mask, because I'm just visiting a friend (in real life) and didn't take it with me. In this way I explain the missing strong light effect and awake, once I recognise, this means I must be dreaming. A very late mornings dream. I continue to float in and out similar dreamscenes. But can't focus on handrubbing or any stabilising techniques. I'm too dizzy. We talked until 1.30 in the night, had two bottles of wine, so it wasn't the best night for lucid dreaming. I wonder, that I did remember any dreams. But I've got no headache. Maybe because I didn't smoke. I'm pleased with this DSA3 score, next time I will rub my hands to stabilise the dream, once lucid.

CU in dreamy Maui some day

Yours Ralf

Greetings, All!

I had a brief LD yesterday (hoooorayyy!)...

I was in my room, and the watch thing is what did it. Strangely, I felt compulsive about not taking it off, to reinforce the permanance of it as being a great RC device.....

This is the third one I got under warrenty. Both the other two (exact same models) got water inside them, and shorted out, so I went through periods of not wearing one.

The habitual action of taking it on and off is what clued me in. I sort of went directly into a WILd after driving back from Chicago (about 8 hours on the road). I went from consciousness to dreaming instantly, and immediatly noticed I was not wearing the watch, then I suddenly realized I had laid down a few moments earlier!!!

I flew out the window, and came back up the stair, checking out the subtle differences between the dream and what i recalled the hallway to look like when awake... I woke up in excitement, after not having a ld for a couple weeks...

zzzzzzz(no watches in the hot tub!) z z z z z z z Joe<<<<still flying in a technicolor dream

Keelin: did my post on guitars yesterday disolve into the cyber soup?

Keelin,

I meant to put what follows under the thread "Post your Lucid Dreams--Miscellaneous." I can edit it, but not move it (that I know of) Would you move it for me when you have a chance? Thanks, Mary

This morning I awoke with fragments of a NLD, re-read "Varieties of Lucid Dreaming Experiences" (which I had been pondering for the past week or so) and lay back down. My mind wandered a lot, but I also spent some time focused on an affirmation. I fell asleep, and dreamed that I was in a college student center. I saw belongings on the floor and thought that some of them looked like my eldest son's, a pair of jeans and some notebooks. I consider picking them up for him. I am not sure which of the stuff is his, and I decide instead to tell him that I saw them and let him pick them up. I notice that there are beds on the floor of the student center and think that it is nice for students who are tired to have a place to sleep. I notice that I feel very weary. I walk away from the area and see someone who looks familiar, approach him and ask, "Are you T C?' He says, "Yes" and I think he looks much younger than his age. (In everyday life, I have not seen him for 25 years, and he had not aged.) The age difference leads me to realize that I am dreaming, I feel elated, and give him a hug. I think that it would be interesting to try to switch consciousness (I don't remember ever trying this in an LD before) with him and I feel myself swing around into his space, and try to notice the difference. As I look internally to sense my feelings, things seem gray except for light emanating from me. And I think, "this still feels like me.' I wonder what it was supposed to feel like and I wonder if he has adopted my consciousness and try to will him out of his space into mine. I then think "how am I supposed to feel him if he leaves his space and goes into mine?' I begin to feel confused as to how this process is supposed to work. I open my eyes (in everyday life, I sometimes close my eyes when I hug people, and I must have here too) and the environment has become minimal, shades of gray, no forms. Upward above our heads, there is a circle of yellow, then various shades of charcoal and gray, in something like wide subtle descending horizontal stripes. And I think that it is a minimal perception environment like the article I had been reading described. I hear some knocking and don't know if it is in the dream or everyday life. The dream fades, I want to look out my window to see if someone is at my door. I do and there isn't. The noise either was by my son downstairs or in my dream.

Hi! Today I am very very excited! I had two LDs! I woke up at 4:00am and than went back to sleep. I was dreaming I was with my students in a Computer Graphics seminary in a theatre. I was looking for some place to seat, when I was about to seat I realized that I was dreaming. I felt more relaxed and star to float around. The people were not there anymore. The theatre was all lemon with black stripes. The dream was fading and I scratched my hands to make it sharper and it worked. I tried to spin but I didn't close my eyes enough, tried again and I felt like I was inside a black environment with white spots, I was anxious to open my eyes and see what I have got but I open my real eyes and woke up. Than I went asleep again and I was dreaming I was hugging someone. I got lucid then and was wondering if I was with someone that I know. When I looked at him it wasn't the one I was expecting. I decided to change him. I looked at him and though "the forehead has to change like that " and it changed! I change his forehead, his glasses, his nose , his hair, he was looking almost exactly the way I want but the dream starts to fade. I scratched my hands but the dream continue in another space and I could see what I was dreaming in a picture on the wall. I tried to enter the picture somehow but I woke up before. This morphing thing is so nice! This has to do with my work because now I am modeling character in a 3D environment. Sweet dreams Beatrice

Hi, dreamers

@Joe

Wonderful. I still work on these watch RC's. Have the differences been taht subtle? Did you experience anything like remote viewing?

@Mary

Although in the "wrong" thread, you certainly would have been a very welcome dream - camper. Nice experiment - changing consciousness / space.

@Beatrice

A nice display of lucidity and prolonging techniques. Wow.

I had a ND, in which I decided to add a "real life" dreamsign just occuring to my dream sign list.

Ralf

.. and what do I learn from this dream? Everytime I think about dreamsigns, I should do a RC. Next time.

Hello, my dreaming friends

Some notes on my today's night life

May your nights be warm and full of light

Ralf

Monday, 16. July 2001

Again, I set ND mask to awake me at 3.30 am. I want to get up, write down dreams and get back in bed to consciously enter a dream. Again, I didn't succeed to get up, but got caught up in remembering dreams, re-entering them, and diving into new dreams with a bit of consciousness left, as the following dreams show:

C., a colleague from the hospital is examining and treating my teeth using some strange devices. He says, I should better brush them in the morning. I wonder, why he treats me (he is no dentist). He explains it to me, I'm satisfied and the dream goes on.

Comment: A typical DSA1 situation. Next time, anyone plays an unusual role in a dream, I will remember to do an RC and to recognise I'm dreaming.

I'm flying in an aeroplane. Someone from below shoots a limpet mine towards the jet (maybe a jet fighter). I see it glued to the rear now. The skin of the jetfighter opens under the mine and it slides back. Again and again flaps are opening up and the mine slides back to the jet outlet until it is caught by its stream, separates and explodes in white and yellow. The shock wave shakes me, but doesn't destroy the airplane. But I have to land. I'm flying under a bridge and somehow manage to jump off using a parachute. I hang down from the bridge and secure myself using some ropes. I wonder, why I have to use that many ropes and somewhat feel like a spider weaving its web. I wonder, where I did land, when a strange character appears. Uniformed. Must be a military zone. He is a fat man, wearing an unwrinkled uniform, while he is riding ... a donkey. I try to hide behind a bridge's pillar, but it is no use. I am muchwhat amused about this character, looking like a strange stereotype, who just escaped from a movie. This amusing character aims at me with his gun. I'm still amused, but don't want him to shoot me. I think about ways to escape and awake.

Comment: The explosion seems to be an incorporated ND cue. Astonishing is the relatively long story preceding the explosion (incorporation). I set the cues to an intense level similar to sleep mode 4. After that, the dream gets more and more odd, (seems to be an effect of the cue) and I tend to recognise the oddities. Just a micrometer away from the right conclusion, I think, it is a film (character). Next time, I'm dreaming, I will remember to draw the right conclusion in the face of oddities: I'm dreaming.

I'm with a group of youngsters, I'm younger myself. I perform very well in a discussion. Two girls seem fond of me, they want to take me somewhere else. One girl wants to make an appointment alone with me. That is suspicious! I think, she wants to seduce me. But I'm together with Astrid! No! I awake.

Comment: A typical dream situation: Eros vs. love. Erotic sensation is a dreamsign, I very often use for daytime practice. I know, that I will succeed soon. Next time I'm dreaming I will remember to recognise, that the battle of Eros and love is just a dream...

I'm walking down the street, feeling the desire to have a cigarette. The hand in my left pocket reveals a package of the brand "Lord". Hm. This is not the one, I used to smoke. And why smoke at all? I stand and wonder. Indeed, I have stopped smoking! I put the package back and go on.

Comment: How close can one get to lucidity? Lucidity's may include the knowledge of waking life. But knowledge of waking life doesn't include being lucid. Although this kind of knowledge and my awareness, that something strange is happening, are stepping stones to lucidity. Next time I remember to take the final step!

Friend Ralf,

"How close can one get to lucidity?"

Keelin has recently reported her dream of conducting an LD seminar with a group of attentive listeners, showing them dream signs, and demonstrating lucidity-enhancing techniques - without becoming lucid herself. That's one of the things about this stuff that keeps us humble, I guess.

On the material plane, there's lots of people conducting seminars on enlightenment who wouldn't know what it was if it bit them in the arse.

As above so below?

Alan, old pal!

Humble, yeah. That is true, although I don't feel that modest regarding my today's experiences. As you said before: If you ask a so called enlightened one, he can't say, it is this or that. Or wouldn't call him / herself enlightened.

Step into the light! Regardless, whether above or below.

Ralf

Tuesday, 17. July 2001

I awake in the later morning and want to go consciously into the next dream. I relax and count, recall the last dream, we sleep with window open, the traffic's noise is pretty loud.

I'm biking in a road of my hometown. It is very loud, a lot of traffic and a yelling crowd leaving a soccer stadium. I'm placing my bike between two trucks, which stand quiet close to another. One has its mid - part lifted. I duck and walk by below it. I see a lorry collecting garbage, thereby making a lot of noise. I want to return to my bike. But just as I duck under the truck, all trucks start their motors. The mid - part is being lowered, I'm in danger of being crushed. I try to escape, but am incredible slow. Now I know I'm dreaming. I go on trying to escape, because I want to stay in the dream. But the harder I try, the more the dream fades. I awake.

Another dive, after I lay awake for some time, wondering, that I just had a short LD and that I'm not jumping with joy, I resolve to make the least effort, just maintain minimal awareness, relax and intend to stay or become lucid:

I'm having a birds view of a camp or colony. This may be oppositional people, or a kind of resistance, because the are examined by a Nazi or Stasi (the secret service of former GDR) inspector. A very tense situation, in which I'm somewhat released by the tacit knowledge, that it is a dream. He looks for any traces of modern equipment. Takes some things in his hand. The tension grows, but he doesn't seem to find anything. I'm released. But then he simply decides to take a spoonful out of a jar of Nutella(R) (a German chocolate cream I very like to eat). I'm shocked and in the same time my lucidity increases. The situation gets funny. I wonder: Will he notice, that Nutella(R) doesn't fit in the context? Will this blow resistance's cover? We will never know, because I awake.

It feels good to have succeeded, the morning sleep is the best time for LDing. And remembering a dream, going through it again while telling myself, I'm dreaming, that is the MILD - technique. These are my third and fourth LD this month. I've already reached my all time best score. Regarding the first dream: How can I stay in the scene in the face of the danger? In the best case I could come to the conclusion, that it is all an illusion, the weight of the trucks mid - part, too. But I wasn't that lucid. And changing this would require much dream control. Maybe I should simply calm down relying on the more simple knowledge, that it is a dream. And see, what happens. And regarding the second dream: Next time I will try to rub hands in similar situations to create a dreambody and stabilise the dream.

Hi, folks

These are today's dreams.

It is 13:00 in Germany, most of you might still be dreaming! Hush, Ralfi!

Hope your dreams are lucid and sweet

Yours Ralf

Wednesday, 18. July 2001

Again, I tried to get up at 3:30, but didn't succeed. No wonder, because I turned off the lights at 2:00. But I want to get up, because that increases LD probability.

R. and T.(two acquaintances I haven't seen for more then ten years, musicians) are visiting Astrid and me. T. remembers, that we did record some songs together. I'm astonished. And try hard to remember, where I've put the cassette. I look for it and for the score. I find my collection of songbooks spread on the floor. It dawns on me, that we never did record songs together. Now I'm up, one floor higher. Astrid is watching TV, I sit down beside her for a moment. Until it dawns on me, that it is not that hospitable to watch TV, while we have visitors. I switch off the TV. The screen gets dark, but the sound remains. Hm. I switch off my stereo, too. (In waking life I sometimes let TV's sound be amplified by my stereo) And we go downstairs (our apartment has only one level) to talk with R. and T.

Again, it is interesting to see, how my memory can get me closer to lucidity. I recognise, that we never did songs together. And I recognise, that we behave strange (watching TV). Next time, I'm dreaming, I will do an RC, once I think, I behave strange. I wonder, why the scene had an abrupt shift, after I recognised, that we never did songs. Did I wake up for a second and don't remember?

I'm hovering through the deep sea in a part of coral reef formed like a (flying) saucer. Indeed a submarine. I see it from the outside. We explore a strange hole in a coral reefs cave, into which lots of water vanish. (like a kind of black hole, I've read a book about one) We must have done something, because now we try to refuge at an incredible speed, snaking through the reef's rocks. Somebody asks, if the explosion did already happen. I don't feel or remember any shock wave. I reason, that I wouldn't feel any under water. But the water is very bright, now. This may be an incorporated cue, like in my explosive dream, I had Monday. In the dream, I didn't recognise that brightness. But I'm glad to remember incorporated cues at all. Now I have something to work on. Next time...

I'm at my osteopathy course. The instructor decides to test our anatomic knowledge. My colleagues are moaning. Some say: We have never really been shown this or that. The instructor hesitates and decides to look that up. Someone looks it up. She sits near to me and I wonder, why she does it. As if she is seeking shelter. She says, that her birth name has been "Penderak" (like me), but now she is called so and so (not her waking life name). I'm surprised to find a relative in her.

Yesterday I tried to learn something for my osteopathy college, but didn't succeed. Now I'm having a guilty conscience. But working on LD is much more intriguing these days. Next time I'm surprised in a dream, I will do a reality test.

I see M., a former nursing colleague of mine. At first I don't recognise her, only after I've looked at her for a long time. Her face is somehow distorted, looks strange. But I still like her.

Yesterday Astrid told me, that M. (like two other nurses) is pregnant. Next time, I can't easily recognise someone, I will test my state. That is a good dreamsign for today's training.

Greetings, Fellow LDer's!

Sorry to seem tardy, but I have had the ears open!

I have been noticing a number of celebrities make subtle references to LD's recently...

This amazing guitarist I saw last week introduced one song by saying "this one is about a dream, and flying around in it"....Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the emotion Satriani conveyed in that tune, not to mention the newer stuff, still has me "Flying in a Blue Dream".

I tried to "break the ice", but the backstage line was a mob scene, orderly, but impossible to get a word in...

here's one for ya's... I really feel that LDer's have the ability to let a large amount of subconscious imagination "bleed through" to the waking stste... Me thinks it happens more and more to meself! Is this a measure of sanity?

And, yes, if LD is a means of OBE or AP, doesn't my logic support the notion that increased LDing will allow these amazing occurances to happen more frequently while awake? Grant me some levity, your honor, should I slip into the woo-woo realm....

it is no suprise to me that the artists amoung us who rise to the pinacle of thier media have an extraordinary free-association gift, be it post chemically initiated (yet now permanant), or in the most interestingly natural state . This is what most interests me about you, Beatrice (sorry to exclude others who havn't disclosed such deep secrets). How were you all so lucky? Extra naturally occuring ergonovine?

I find myself more and more approaching select wide eyed strangers and saying, "You're a LD'er, arn't you", and getting a positive reaction.

Sorry to ramble...Oh, No...Wordly responsibilties dranging me back!!!>...OOOooooooooo

zZZZZ(Is Chismata in the woo-woo relam, too?) z z z z Joe

jjjjjjjjjjjoooooooe

"Is this a measure of sanity?" If sanity means, that subconscious contents and energies are being integrated: Yes

"...increased LDing will allow these amazing occurrences to happen more frequently while awake?" I've heard of people, able to "project", while walking. And I've heard of people, who couldn't do anything against it. Seems that awareness has to be strong enough and a kind of ego has to be present to use this states, to control them, to integrate experiences.

"should I slip into the woo-woo realm...." You'd better keep moving!

"zZZZZ(Is Chismata in the woo-woo relam, too?)" Yes, there is woo fighting woo! R R R R R The punisher

Hi you all. Yesterday I decided to smell that Grape Seed Oil that come with the Devereux's Lucidity Kit to induce LD. Hermine you have it too. It worked. I was dreaming I was in a Dreamcamp and a woman with long red hair told us to have an OOBE. We went to sleep. I had this LD in a dream. I was in a big building and I remember that I should integrate with the environment and see what happens. I star going up very quickly. Like in the film Atlantis when the heroine goes up to her goods but there were no lights in my dream. Very beautiful scene they did. I though this way I would be living earth soon. I wasn't moving my dream body at all. In this way I saw some women and decided to talk with them about what is going on and that I should have try to live my body. We laugh and then I lost my flight. Because I couldn't fly anymore I decided to jump down in a big hall, making this suicide maybe I could live my body easily. When I was at the floor I tried it, I felt funny sensations but didn't manage to see my dream body lied on the floor. It should have a not so scary way to get out of my dreambody. I woke up and told the campmates what happen. They were people I studied with when I was 12. There was a girl there she said, " I know you had a LD." I was anxious to tell her. Beatrice

Hi dreamlovers,

I just came home from California where I stayed between 4th of July until the 20th of July, I will share more after tonight. I heard the music Annapurna :the towering sky, before I started to write,a new cd from the States last number "Dancing on the roof of the world," I'll try tonight....... Love Hermine

Hi, fellow dreamers!

@Beatrice: Let me sniff that oil!

@Hermine: Welcome "home" in Europe. And in the Forum.

@all: See my latest LD in "Post LD - miscellaneous"

Yours Ralf

Hi all,

I noticed a lot of dreams of you Ralf, which are quite interesting I think for the development you are in this period. Some on your work and career and starting a private practice in real life. Maybe you do a combination for a while to find out if it really suits you to be in private practice. There will be a first start ever before you continue to do it completely on your own. Trust the universe that time is ripe to do it. You have your trust of being good in the hospital, you have the same talents outside the hospital, so don't wory about the outcome. You can do some advertisement first to find out in what way, people can reach you. Further on I see a lot of lovescenes in your dreams as a rejuvenating part of yourself is coming up. Other dreams shows integration of the dark side or more powerful experiences in your dreams, which might help you to deal with in real life. I thank you for the openness and sharing with all of us, it seems that your dreams are easily to be remembered and that you have less frustration to succeed. I think your interest in human medicine's history has great value and is a truth in your life. In all the young girls I see more of your vulnerability, which might be honoured more. Maybe your strength and vulnerability comes more into balance....... For Betty, My thoughts about a healing evening are not quite clear. If we arrange a dreamnight together on the 31th of July and other members of our group agree with this idea, it might be a groupinvestigation, to find out what type of healing can be done for all of us. I might expect different answers on this subject. My intention will be one of healing in the way I would see each person, or feel the energy of each person, to know what healing have to be done or on chakralevel or just by knowing what will come up as a symbol for each person, or just by sending positive energy to all of you. It's not a usual attitude of me to do this for a whole group, but I did this with a group to a single person, who was focus of our intention for healing, or in my private practice. I ask all of us to share some of their ideas about the way we could do this all together. For Alan, When I ever played guitar in 1996 I played the streets of London.......about the worn out shoes.......I didn't know you were a writer of songs I remember the song we made up in Maui the last morning and which was giving a good feeling after the slide experience! For Toko, I'm still curious if you end up with Warner's music? A job? No bullying situation?! For Beatrice, Yes this sageoil is good, do you put it only on the thirdeye? I realize your dreams have a lot of relationshipissues, I am wondering if you find out what is the best companion for you by your dreams in the real situation, less confusion I hope so.... For Dominick, I bought a magazine and found an article about Atlantis in the Andes, next time more details, I didn't read it yet, only a few sentences. I dreamt twice of driving in a sportscar when I was on ASD conference and three days later after the Conference.The first time the car was even flying through the air. I met Keelin, Jerry ,Joan and Laura at the Conference and I met Robert, before during and after the Conference, so it has been an intense time for me I let you know more about my dreams, during the Conference later. Stephen came, but Laura and I went to another workshop, where the whole group shared with the panel about several dreams in detail, which was a good experience. I told you about dancing on the roof of the world, I danced in the dream that night, I'll share later, it was quite funny and yes in the lectureroom was on the screen" I'm a believer" I believe in this possibility in dreams and yes it works............

@Hermine

Thanks a lot for your worthy hints.

A healing session. Why not?

"I believed, in my dreams, nothing could change my mind. Now I found, what they mean, how could I be so blind!" Alan Parsons Project

Ralf

@Beatrice I sniffed that oil (Grape - seed). Without success, so far.

Hi,

I might share some of my dreams which I had at ASD Conference in Santa Cruz. Tuesday was the first day. In the morning I dreamt about my son in the Netherlands, The television in my house fell on the floor and all the pictures were revealed. We had a reception the first evening and I talked with Robert Waggoner who would give a lecture about dreaming of deceased parents. I told him I dreamt about my mother but once or twice a year about my father who died in 1971. On Wednesdaymorning I dreamt my father was present at this Conference, in a way I felt his energy and I was very emotional by thinking of him. Another dream was about my legs, I felt my rightleg as if I thought I could not walk. My sister asked me if I needed to go to hospital, but I told her don't worry, I dno't need to go to hospital. I thought of a woman Fran from San Francisco who I saw the evening before walking with her cane. On Thursday I dreamt about a situation with my kids and my ex-husband, in the dream I wanted to be clear to my ex-husband and make him understanding of the things going on in my life and I really toughed his leg in such a strong way, that I felt aggressive, but I told him feel your leg, I wanted him to feel a kind of pain, so he would really understood what I meant. Otherwise I had the feeling he would not understand.!I wake up in this dream by the strength I have at that moment. Later on in the dream I make this beautiful(healing) sound and I feel so happy, so good about doing this and I wonder why I have this long breath, because I do this so effortless. When I realize I do this so long I think of my breath and because of the effort then it stops. So effortless was wonderful, but trying or controlling the breath stops everything..... Friday I dreamt about cathing all the snakes, I feel a little bit of fear, but I tell my ex-sister in law who resisted this , I did it "my way". Later on in the morning dreamgroup, we could make a drawing with our left hand and I realize I draw a container around the hands who catch the snakes. On Satyurday the evening of the dreamball I was in an India sary, I bought the cloths in India the end of 1994 when I did my dreamcourse with Robert Bosnak in India. I had dreams that time, but I also realize I once was in France in Lucinges and I dreamt about the birth of a baby who had three mantra's on the body of Sai Baba, it was a longer dream but this was essential. Later on when I attended Sai Baba meetings in the Netherlands in Utrecht and I shared my dream, they told me Sai Baba made contact with me by this dream. I never went to India for meeting Sai Baba, but I remember in Nice where we as a Dutch team gave our Voice Dialogue trainings there was a central meeting hall with a lot of artwork, human figures on the wall with all matra's on their body. The person who did the artwork had not written these mantra's on the body's before , but started with this after he visited Sai Baba in India. I didn't know that at the time I had my dream in Lucinges, months later when I came in Nice in Courmettes I discovered the artwork. On Sundaymorning I woke up early and thought of Kelly Bulkeley who gave a lecture about Socrates and his dreams, a Youthful rebellion......... He talked about opening the heart and I was in tears.........As if I felt all the sorrow of a lot of people, I realize I can have this at the end of a Summercamp, or Dreamconference, as if I feel the collective pain...... It is not that strong as it has been in the past years, but I still feel this in my body as I have this pain, i can bear the pain now, I had a time I was so overwhelmed that i thought if this is all my pain, I can't bear this, but by the years, ten years now of being around in California and other places, I realize I can handle such a situation, and it is less overpowering me than before. I can take an observer role later on and tell myself it's not my body, I just feel it, I am okay with myself and this experience, although I have my tears, as I had later on when I went to the lecture of Jeremy Taylor and I feel my heart is open and I experience a lot of feelings of other people around me........ Always a deep experience, which tells me on a deeper level I have had that pain, but I can deal with that and later on I put my chair a little bit backwards sitting there in the room and take some distance from all these deep emotions and getting in tune with nature surroundings around me when I look out of the window. There were a lot of birds, trees and the blue sky, I realized this is just a wonderful world to experience this all during the groupmeeting with all the other people. Another strong feeling was , the creative part in me . I was drawing during lectures and I was amazed by the easiness of just drawing and making things as if in my dreams happened things, to be clear about my intuition and spontaneous actions. During a shamanic workshop I just made the picture of a person who gave this sound and I remembered my dream, I also wrote right and left hand things automatically, as if I did this before.( I noticed I did this sometimes during my hypnosis course when someone got a session and I just made a picture of the whole session with a right solution to the problem in my drawing. I told my colleagues "I have a "nose " for this" Okay a lot of mystery around these things ,I don't have a real clarification myself, because I started this the last year. ......... Hermine

Hi again,

It was the lecture of Kelly Bulkeley(who have written many books on dreams, especially spiritual dreams) on Youthful rebellion of Rene Descartes In Illinois press 1992, I can make a resumee of this article. Hermine

Hi Hermine, Thank you for sharing all this. Tonight I saw a candle in my dream. I think it has to do with the way I used the Sage oil. I heat it with a candle. I had tried to put it in the thirdeye maybe be tree times but it didn't work. The second time I heat it I had a LD. So I will make more experience and let you know Ralf. Beatrice

Hi you all. Today I had my second LD inside a dream that I was trying to have a LD..

I was lying in the bad with my eyes closed trying to enter the pictures I was seeing. It was ideas for presentation screens. The color matched so nicely, purple, blue and yellow and thick black stripes. I stretched the screen as much as I could to get into there but I had a false awake before I manage to enter it. I found a huge box of colorful pencils and thought how lucky I am having all those tools to paint my dreams. My pad was "film form", pages with frame format. Before I started my painting I woke up.

This dream reminded me to keep better track of a painting diary?.

Hermine, the surrealist writer André Breton worked a lot with this "automatic writing". It's quite amazing.

Beatrice

Dear DreamCampers,

I'm getting on well with my magazine article about Maui, and am beginning to strike the right balance of science, spirituality, and sex content: it should go down well in the mind/body/spirit market :-)

What I need to flesh it out are some examples of lucid dreams involving the following major subjects:

1. Dealing with nightmare characters.
2. Flying (the thrill of that first time)
3. Problem solving (how LD helped to resolve a problem)
4. Sexual encounters with dream characters.
5. Enhanced abilities (any LDs about performing a skill you don't have in waking life?)
6. Transcendence.

If you have a favourite LD which specifically deals with any of these subjects, please email me all the details. No names will be quoted in the article.

Many thanks for all contributions,

Alan T.

alant@acay.com.au

Hi Alan,

I let you know within this week.....

For all of us, do we have the dreamnight experience the 31 of July at twelve at night Maui time, for Ralf and me tomorrow twelve o'clock in daytime? Maybe part of the group is on a summervacation?! Who wants to join, just join us wherever you are in the world right know. Hermine