Hi Tokopa,Beatrice and others, For Tokopa I found a booklet Symbols and the Self by Violet Shelley by the Edgar Cayce Foundation, about triangles, the all-seeing eye (also in its association with the "third eye" And for Beatrice I found the book of Erotic dreams of Dr.Gayle Delaney and Romantic Dreams of Patricia Maybruck, very interesting in association to your lucid dreams themes.....(How to enhance your romantic relationship by understanding and sharing your dreams)

Quote from the book Mother Earth Spirituality Ed McGaa Eagle man Prayer to the Six Powers of the Universe part of Judith Favia's prayer(page 217 the black west and page 218 Ho Waziya ouye,white giant of the north. For time out of time, you have made us strong and helped us to walk the holy path. Your white blanket covers our Mother as she sleeps and dreams And from her dreams come the spring and renewal of life. Even so are the people purified and made strong by your cold breath. As our Mother sleeps we too dream and pray. It is a time of holiness and preparation. And from this time the people become strong and they endure. Waziya bringer of sleep, our ceremonies also have slept. And like the earth they have dreamed deep dreams. Now we ask that these ceremonies blossom forth renewed as do the flowers in spring.

Part of ...the power of the rising sun of the east.From you come wisdom and understanding. To you we send a voice. You are the power of the red dawn and the home of the morning star. ..yellow power of the south ...... At the end Mitakuye oyasin(all my relatives; we are all related;all are related) Ho. Hetch etu aloh (It is very much so; it is so indeed) (Hetch etu it is so ;Amen) Hermine

Hi, Two other books about Lucid Dreaming Celia Green and Charles McCreery Lucid dreaming The paradox of consciousness during sleep The other book from Kenneth Kelzer The Sun and the Shadow by the Edgar Cayce Foundation in 1971 About dreams......... I dreamt about Carrara,it seemed to be in Italy I looeked at the map of Italy this morning and it is in the North,Last weekend I dreamt about Italy. this weekend again I have never been in Carrara,strange connection? Second time in the dream it looked like Cayera, I tried to stay conscious and ended up in Wales, England and later more north in the direction of Schotland or maybe the Highlands of Scotland. It can be a continuiing story! I let you know..... Hermine

For ASD Conferencd dreamers,

You can register by vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu (Veronica Tonay) or http:www.asdreams.org/2001 gives you all the information you want to have about this ASD Conference at the University of Santa Cruz, before the 10th of June you are more sure to get a place on campus. I registered yesterday. (Jerry and Joan are you going as you thought to do so?) I will meet you again.! Hermine

Against my better judgement, I registered for the weekend-only part of the conference July 13-15. It sounds like fun and I also felt that I need to get other researchers' perspectives on dreaming. And it's just 40 minutes from where I live (except Friday night, when the commute can be infinite!)

I say against my better judgement because on the preceeding Monday evening I'm getting back from a 2-week trip to France, Tuesday through Friday I'm going to work totally jet-lagged, and then on top of that I'm now booked for Friday evening and all day Saturday and Sunday!

Not to mention that when Stephen's Stanford class ended this past Thursday, I thought it was time for me to pay LESS attention to the subject of dreaming for a while and more attention to, say, trying to make a living. But I guess I've become an addict...can't stay away from the stuff! (Anyone seen "Until the End of the World"? Great movie! Or maybe 3 movies and the 3rd one is great. It depends on how you look at it. Review, trailer, or if that doesn't work try trailer.)

I look forward to seeing you there Hermine, and it sure would be great if you come too, Joan and Jerry (can you talk Betty into coming too?). I forget whether anyone else was from the Bay Area...Robert, Ty, are you lurking out there?

Yahoo! Hermine and Laura! Jerry and I are going to come to the weekend portion of the ASD conference! I couldn't get out of work on Thursday and Friday. We'll get to go to the ball! Now I have to select my dream figure, right, Hermine?

Hermine, remember your tree-lady? I looked in Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" and saw the story of Daphne, whose father turned her into a laurel tree so that she would not be ravished by Apollo. She was a huntress and had asked her father, the river-god Peneus, if she could remain unmarried, like Diana. Her father, who wanted grandchildren, still told her yes because he loved her so. Apollo saw her hunting in the forest and fell in love with her. She ran away from him, he chased her, and just as he was about to catch her, her father did the tree thing. Apollo watched as she was transformed, and he mourned deeply. He declared then that his champions would henceforth be crowned with the leaves of the laurel.

Good movie to see: "Memento,' about a man who constantly "wakes up" and doesn't know where he is. He has real trouble remembering. I can see this movie becoming a dream camp movie.

Ooh, I know just what I want to wear to the ball. Beatrice, remember the beautiful "tie-dyed medieval ball gown" that I loved in Paia but didn't get because they didn't really have my size? It certainly seemed like a "you'll never find this anywhere else" brand, so you can imagine how delighted I was to find it being sold at a vendor booth at my local science fiction convention a few weeks ago...and con vendors do have large sizes (if they want to sell anything! )

Yes, I bought it, and when I first read about the "dream ball" I thought the dress would be great given the association in my own mind with Maui, plus it looks absolutely dreamy. But it doesn't have anything to do with my dream characters; I wonder how literally they take that "dressed as a character from your own dreams" stuff. The only recurring characters in my dreams are waitresses, and dressing as a waitress simply does not appeal.

Anyway, it will be great to see you all, Hermine/Joan/Jerry. My husband Bill is almost certainly coming for the ball (assuming they'll sell me a ticket for just that) so I'm really happy that you'll all get to meet.

Hi Dreamattenders, Well you can have your dress!!Sometimes participants share their dream and if not maybe you get one before the party will start.... Yes Robert is living in San Jose,so nearby, Ty is at the eastcoast near Boston and yes Betty can join Joan snd Jerry I might think so. Last year I was the "Tree woman" in Washington and the year before I was the "Bird woman" in Santa Cruz, same place as this year. I find out what I will wear just before I leave and do some creative things which come up that evening with my "outfit" Last year I had beans in my hair, the ones we used during a workshop with Tom Crocker, David Gordon, Rita Dwyer and others. As a birdwoman I wore the feathers of a peacock... Stepehen will there be and many others as you look up in the programme on the website. I had two different dreams last night. In one I was making love with a man , I woke up with a shock when I realized it was my brother in law and stopped immediately in the dream and early in the morning I dreamt of driving in a car, avoiding young children in the street who were playing and suddenly I flew over the top of a hill and entered the water. Warm water, but also snow and ice next to it.(hot water pools or sauna area's) I saw other people bathing, also a family I know from Amersfoort,the town where I live.( I met her in reality two weeks ago, but didnt see her for many years)Later on I was in a bar and I asked the man to go down for my jacket. The 2 jackets I got at that moment were the same with a different print. I wanted to get mine and went downstairs. It's interesting about those prints which seem to be a present theme for me.

I'm Here! I'm Here! (shouting from a cosmic dustspec)

Greetings, All:

Sorry to be distant, but I guess I'm jealous of the west coast goings-on...classes and seminars and bears, Oh my....But all of your posts do inspire me...........

Isn't it strange how a new found obsession (the L word, perchance ;)) can make the most recent fantastic memories seem ancient....

Just getting back to a regular sleep pattern, or is there such a thing?

Remarkable dream last night... A wise old rasta dude sang a melody that was very unique...I should have transcribed it upon awakening, for it has now slipped away...The lyrics involved some kind of black magic. He was accompanied by Johnny Cougar's Melloncamp -good honeydews there,baby....

z(Trafari mankonen) z z z z z Guiseppe

(out here where 'the corn is as high as an elephant's eye', or is it 'knee high by the fourth of july?')

Yes, Joe - I can totally relate. I have been wishing to be amongst all our California Dreamers, too. Instead, I am building some delightful dream sharing relationships where I am profoundly amazed by the brilliance of dreams and how they align us.

I have yet to spend much time lucid though I view it as an ideal. I think I am still bound by pairs of opposites. It may take some time to lose my habit of tension between the two. There is something deliciously addictive about giving over to the tug of war between desire & fear.

Maybe I should play more video games.

Love,

Yoyo-ma

Toko,

I shouldn't feel too ashamed of your 'habit' . Dead people are the only ones who are not 'bound by the tension between opposites' such as desire and fear. I'm crabby because I haven't had an LD since Maui. Whatever you do, don't play more video games :-)

Hi, fellow campers!

I'm somewhat out of focus these days. But a very interesting time. I can't say something definite, but something unfocussed: It's the body, that is sometimes (if I tune in) melting and the soul spreading out into the different being, into the other one. It's a new way of perceiving, of loving , of being, but yet no focussed one. In my 61 points, I always drift away these days and loose awareness. I feel somewhat woo woo myself. But there is a change taking place, that doesn't feel bad. I wrote the previous lines a week ago. Since then, I had a somewhat troubled time, much work and my son went in the hospital, his arm broken. A lot of occasions for RCs, but no time for posting. And again, there are 50 posts to work through... But I keep on!

@Hermine:

You sent a circle, I saw you shining as the moon. A weak coincidence, ok. But later on, you wrote moon poetry. Was it because of my posting or independent of it? "Celia Green and Charles McCreery Lucid dreaming The paradox of consciousness during sleep" I'm just reading this book. Your postcard had finally arrived. Thank you very much. 15 butterflies on it! What a lovely occasion to remember, that I don't have to wink anymore... But that didn't prevent me from dreaming about Stephen and not getting lucid. Next time...

@Beatrice:

Your "fly to the star" dream is very nice. I wish, I could have flown that far in my last LD.

@Keelin: Isometimeswishihaddreamslikeyou.

@Joan: Congratulations for a "button induced" lucid dream! I never had one.

@ Hermine, Joan, Jerry, Laura and Betty: I wish you much fun, although I'm muchwhat envious.

@Toko and Alan

Yes, I'm still here (or there?) I think, computer games seduce the critical mind to dive into a different reality without giving a damn about it. I think, they rather prevent lucidity. Desire and fear is my subject, too. In the last weeks I fear and see, I'm losing contact to my friends and relatives, because I'm focussing so much on LD and my "Heilpraktiker" career. I fear losing contact to my life, as it was. Somehow, I'm being transformed. And I fear, although I worked towards transformation. And Alan, be easy with LD frequency. I'm not satisfied, too.

I'm just sighing at the memory of us dreamcampers enjoying time together. OK. See you in LD. When is our next Maui - experiment?

Hi islanddreamers,skydivers,windsurfers,landscape changers,startravellers,worlddiscoverers, dreamlovers, Oh Ralf, the moonpoetry was because of full moon that day, just to memorize the night before.... I hope your son is doing well now. I was watching t.v.tonight for the people who might know: "Everyday" from Stephanie Mills, The new cd "Love and Freedom" of BeBe Winans, Cece Winans together with BeBe "Tonight Tonight" Brian Mc Knight "Back at one" He told he had been in Sacramento recently with 12000 women in the audience and even with 10 Security guards, one woman took the shirt from his body! Another one was Joe (as Joe our musician,guitarplayer,songwriter....) and four singers Winans Phase 2 "We got next" Beautiful music ,dreamlike,lovely,wonderful to listen too. I don't watch t.v. very often and sometimes I put it on and yes something might be interesting or on Discovery channel or this or news rom some part of the world related to one of us. Last night I had a flying dream with two persons in one jacket, One arm of one person in one sleeve and the other person his arm in the other sleeve, skyhigh, I noticed one person got more space than the other. (To find out who is the most spacy or who gets the most space/room to move....) Another dream I had one key in my left had and there were many doors, a door to the future, a door to the past, a door to the spiritual, emotional and present life, more doors to explore whats behind, in my right hand I had a small statue of wood of two lovers in a tender embrace. Finally I had my hands together. On Wednesdaymorning I dreamt about a house in which I wanted to take my music to another place. A man wanted to take my music boxes and player to bring it at the right place in the house.later on there was a woman who kept her head above a washstand, suddenly she fainted and went under water and started underwater breathing. Later on she became concious again above the water. On Tuesdaymorning I dreamt about cyclingtraining and I had my bike with two flat tyres, I noticed air was coming out, I did some handwork to repair the tyre problem.In real life I ask somebody to do this for me. No country dreams though! Joan, yes I loved your treedream explanation, it was Daphne, who changed in a Laurel I read somewhere. I take my "India" cloth with me. with Robert Bosnak we did dreaming in India, I am not used to wear it here, so a good opportunity for the dreamball.Angelica Hazarika from India is the only one who wears this type of cloths, she was in Berkeley, maybe she will arrive after many years in Santa Cruz. I never dreamt being in India but I have been there at the end of 1994. I'm listening now to the music of Loreena Mc Kennitt "Parallel Dreams",One number at the end "Ancient Pines"(The Book of secrets, Mask and mirrors,The Visit, also from her.) Is Betty coming to the ASD Conference? In India I had a treedream ,in which I did the laundry in the tree.......In another treedream, one bird, my yougest son was in the tree, and one bird was under the tree, my eldest son. In another tree dream I climbed up side down from the trunk to the earth. Tree seemed to me important as in a dream with my name Mensink on it and the word Meditation, this was part of a longer dream, I told you in Maui Joan, where I walked through the river and the roots of the tree entered my feet, during walking and I put them out when I arrived at the other side of the river.This is a dream of 1997, so long time ago. Last year I dreamt of trees more in a jungle situation. I have never been in the jungle, but maybe I will ever in my life. (The Amazone region?)I have dreamt of wild animals, although i wasn't in Asia or Africa or South America.) I have not visited the oceanregion of Santa Cruz, I hope I get a chance this time.Last time I stayed at campus all the time during the Conference. We made a totem in one of the Shamanic workshops, that was wonderful, it was circling as a divining -rod.... I hope all of us will get a lucid dream, one night or the other! One of these nights... Hermine

Loreena Mc Kennitt...Huh? You are amazing hermine!

here's one for ya's..I posted last week references to Yes. A very interesting fellow at work (Mark) shared the tape "song of Seven" , a solo project by jon anderson from the 70's(?)... This led me to revisiting all the old Yes that went way over my head as a mere yankster.....

Interestingly enough, I felt compelled to spin a Kitaro CD I was not real familiar with.. And , WHALLA!, KerBlang, Up Side Your Head!!!! I heard a beautiful piece that Jon Anderson did with Kitaro a few years ago called...are you ready for this...

"Lady of Dreams"

Step back and kiss myself, Houuuugh , I feel good!!!You know that I should.......

Joseph (and the technicolor dream coat)

So excited, I think I will sit down and check my pulse..... Hey!!!...what a great idea for a reality check, even more permanant than the watch thing....

Ralf, was ist los, mein freund? Keine Erwähnung von mir in Ihnen dauern abschweifende Anmerkung? Ich werde!! verletzt! gerade kidding...,

Hi, Joe McKidding

Morgen, morgen, nur nicht heute...

Life is a case of synchronicity

It's sometimes too much for me to follow all the threads you stretch from your huge inside to the Forum. Please excuse me, my dear!

Feel embraced

Yours Meister Bohne

Hi to everybody awake or sleeping, I dreamt that Friday morning I was in a group and we did an experiment with Stephen Laberge. A man tried to pull out a small oxygentube out of Stephen's mouth. Stephen noticed this and the experiment went well. I told Stephen I knew it would go well! But I was angry with the man who tried to sabotage the experiment.Then there were two women who danced and promoted for a dancing week in Bretagne France. "Dance and Theater". Another part was about authenticity. I wrote down on a paper in rosecoloured letters "Authenticity" and put this paper on the floor. First there had been a situation in the dream where i talked with three women while we we're sitting at a table, talking about the death of our mothers and where I noticed tears in our eyes. This Saturdaymorning I had dreamt a lot of short flashes of dreams. One interesting part was that I dreamt about a competition between European Countries. I had to give points to my favourites. Italy was my atmost favourite with 15 points, followed by France, then Spain, Portugal, England, and Germany. The Netherlands was also among them, but not on the first place! It reminded me of the European Songfestival, where a group of European countries have delegated a music group and receive points for the ones with the best song. I told a woman Italy was the one I picked, and she replied by writing down something in Italian, which struck me as a coincidence because I didn't know that. Afterwards I was dreaming lucid about meeting Stephen at the Stanford University of Palo Alto. Later on I met Robert of San Jose. A little while later I dreamt about the farm where I was born and raised. My brother still lives there. In my dream they were renovating the farm, and I was just passing by. And my mom was in her forties and came down from a ladder and she was missing a short time after that. The last short dream I had was about jewels I found on the floor. I had a collection of two boxes and I was choosing which one I liked most. Then I noticed a light from a dimmed light bulb of a lamp in a corner of the room. When I came closer I noticed it actually was a microphone. I turned it off. The jewels remind me of the dream I told in Maui about the jewels my mother gave me. In my dreams she told me to wear her jewels more often, so that I could have a better contact with her.

Hi! Tonight I had a nice fling lucid dream. Like Hermine I was visiting my farm where my father lives and where I spent my vacations when I was young. Last time when I was there I painted a big old house that I always dream about . I use to have bad dreams about it with flying spiders and white mouse all around. It is really a kind of scary house because it has a lower basement where the slaves use to live. I don't remember how I got lucid but I was flying and I was lucid. And could see the house in a very nice point of view. Like 5m up, kind of bird view. Than I realized that I could check the painting of the house, because it is so far and dreaming I didn't have to travel all the way. In reality my father wants me to go there this weekend, but couldn't because of my tesis. Although it has so many details the trees around are like they were to be 20 years ago, a lot more and the painting were not good at all. I realized that I was seeing the view I use to see long time ago. Than I looked at the sky to see a star and try to go there, but I didn't succeeded. I decided to make an experience like let my body go wherever it want it and to see if I could get through the trees like if I was a ghost. As soon as I went trough a tree I felt the leaves in my hand, it has resistance. Density. I lost altitude and then I waked up. I liked that lucid dream most because I used to have nightmare about that house and now I could fly around it with no fear but joy.

Thank you for the books Hermine, I had already ordered them.

Ralph after this dream I think if you want to fly somewhere you have to put "effort" to get there. Well, the start has to be there, it is like focus it very hard?

Laura how nice you could find the dress! Sweet dreams Beatrice

Dear Beatrice

Thanks for your advice.

I wonder, whether you feel better, the next time you visit your father's house in physical reality. Why did you awake, as you tried to fly through the trees? It is good to experiment. Seems, that we have to learn to control ourselves and the dreamscene.

Thank you for sharing this dream. And tell us, how you manage to have that much lucid dreams.

Your Ralf

Yeah! I too would like to know how Beatrice has all these charming LDs. It's not fair. I mean, I really like her, but........(disgruntled mumble).

Bindle Agrunta

I'm telling you guys...it's the video games...or 3D animation in B's case

Hi, Toko

OK. Just keep on playing. "Woman is only woman, when she plays." That's a morphed quote from somewhere.

Hi, Hermine and fellow campers

I very much admire the effort you make to write down your dreams for us. Is that still in the frame of learning mutual dreams? When are we going to meet next time? I need a date to increase motivation for my WILD - training. Any suggestions? Maybe July, 1st ? I had a non lucid dream with Stephen some days ago. Next time, I will remember to recognise, I'm dreaming.

I have long thought about writing down my (non - lucid) dreams in English to share them in the LI Forum. Maybe it would have an effect on the mutual dreaming experiment. But shouldn't we create a new thread for doing this? And how many Maui - dreamers are still interested in this experiment? I would very like to continue experimenting with you all.

Still dreaming of wonderful Maui

Yours Ralf

Greetings, All:

One lasting impression that amazing week in Maui was how Steve checked his watch so frequently, in three quick glances. This did trigger two brief LD's during the 2 weeks s after my return to Cincinnati'.

The "check your pulse idea" posted last week came about as a result of the strap breaking on the cheap digital watch I bought three weeks ago''

To reiterate, why not get in the habit of checking your pulse regularly, instead of relying on an external object for a reality check'A co-worker I knew years back who was a hard-core bicyclist amazed me with Incredibly low standing pulse rate (60 bpm, or so). This made me aware of my own, which is 70-80'.I exercise regularly to lower it, or is it the endorphen rush?'

('..grant me some levity, people please'.. On a side note, did anyone hear Steve mention the word "similitude" in Maui'I have a great story about this in my personal life, if anyone were to ask" "wait, manners aside, I will grant myself some levity, and float up and fly around a bit') ; 0)'.

I guess I should have got a slightly more expensive watch, than the Casio for $18...It amazes me how these cause and effect things work! '.the watch breaking to ponder the pulse thing, that is'.

Well, last night I tested it'.I don't recall a cognitive urge to do it, but something in my subconscious mind told me to check my pulse, and WHA_LA (is this like Valhalla, yea baby) I was "IN'.

The pulse I felt in my wrist was weird, a long pressure then a short one, I will attempt to time it and expect some "wishful thinking/positive mental attitude/ expectation" result'..

I credit this occurrence partly to my new (air conditioned) place, and also this cheap air mattress I spent an hour blowing up last night!!'.%@O '<<Joseph, in his new Technicolor dream coat hyperventilating)

Like I told you guys in Maui, checking my pulse, or looking at the watch, wasn't/isn't really the trigger for me" The simple notion of wanting/needing to do it reminds me that I sacked out some hours earlier, then I am there'For a long time, I would just jump up'though this can bring about some odd reactions from the putty people who witness this in the waking realm"

(~300 Million beats is all the heart is good for!) z z z z z z Yo-sep

Hey guys, just spent three wild days at a psychedelic music festival a half hour north of here'.I knew there were more deadheads left than those few trippy souls I saw on Little beach in Maui'!.... www.campbuzz.com

Hi Ralf, Joe and other Maui lovers, I dream about houses all the time the last few days, differences in the house of my ex-husband, the farm I was born and all the efforts I did to renovate it or to organize the work around it!. Designing,drawings,pictures etc.Finally this morning my dreams ended with the sizes of my sisters and the cup of coffee I took after all the work was done. It was my first cup of coffee and for others the second as if I had so much to do that I had a pause for the first time! I agree with Beatrice the house I was born, the farm was surrounded by a lot of fears, we lived very isolated, and I woke up at nights very easily because I heard car(s) around and yes I was right sometimes thiefs were coming and I didn't wake up for nothing, my family was warned by me because I was a light sleeper and the people got caught or nothing could be stolen! In daytime I had three differnet roads to take and I never took the same, I changed day by day to feel safe.Strange to find out renovation gives a different point of view or flying around like you did Beatrice gives a feeling of joy instead of fear. On Mondaymorning I dreamt I found a comb from stone with a face in it, I leave it in a ditch, When I look back I see my home where I was born. I tell I couple who I meet at that moment I was born there. He tells me to go to South Africa, ( I don't know the reason why, but after this dream it feels as a saparation from them, the family , my brother who lives there now, because of the theme "Apartheid" in South Africa.) The man was supporting me. Later on I am in the house of my ex-husband, he is working in the garden and I know how much energy he is investing in the new relationship(maybe more as I noticed when we were together) I didn't like the changes he made in our house.(we built this house in 1980 and yes in reality he made some changes in the interior and outside.)I didnn't like you could see the changes....... The realitycheck.........Time goes by, "Tempus Fugit" My old relation etc..... I don't see him very often and I met him last Thursday, maybe my dreams have to do with those old memories. I wonder Ralf if all of us are interested in the first of July to have our mutual dreamingpaty, but some of us will do , maybe we 'll just ask who is interested and try the first of July as a possibility to meet again! Hermine

Hi, Hermine and fellow Maui dream lovers etc.

I just ask for the next meeting (as Hermine recommended):

When shall we three (or more) meet again? In thunder, lightning, or distrain? (I just looked up distrain, I'm not sure, if it is the right word)

No! In Maui, at the pool, Wouldn't that be nice and cool?

First of July at Maui's midnight time, Meet you lucid, that would be fine.

Fair is foul and foul is fair Hover through the fog and filthy air!

Hermine, thank you for your dreams, once again. I had an interesting non lucid dream on Monday (that is Sunday night/ Monday morning).

I am at the house, where I grew up (my mother's house today, we seem all to dream about past houses) I just cross the street to have a practical at a "Heilpraktiker" colleague's practice (which isn't there in real life). He is to treat the back of a patient and asks me how I would treat him/her. I say, I would ask him/her, where it hurts and then treat him there. With pranic - healing. What seems strange for me in the dream. My colleague does not agree, but nonetheless wants me to substitute him during his holidays. I go to the next practice, just two houses further away. Another colleague. He has to treat an older woman with black hair. She asks me, what I think about the pain in her right upper belly. I just "scan" (a pranic healing technique) and feel a resistance 1,5m above her belly, as if there is a pond of energy in her right upper belly. My colleague asks me (angry) if I always treat patients without (his) consent. I'm not sure, if it makes sense at all to answer. I wonder, how three practices (two colleagues and my mother) can exist in one small village (800 inhabitants).

While writing down the dream, I think, that it is strange, that I did pranic healing. I haven't done it for month and am now into osteopathy. I know, why I dreamt of having a practical: Because I wanted to phone a colleague on Monday morning to have a practical at his practice. And it is clear, that my mother has a practice, too. She is into spiritual healing. We worked and developed together for some time, but now go our own ways. I relate the dream content to my fears, hopes and expectations in the context of starting my business as Heilpraktiker. But I wonder, what to make of the pranic healing thing.

After writing down this dream, my mother phoned me. We had no contact for more than six weeks. After her first words, I interrupted her and told her my dream, just because the funny coincidence of dream and phone - call. After some discussion about one of her cases, she goes into detail about another case. A woman with cancer of the stomach. Although the parallels seem very clear to me, she doesn't notice them: The patient didn't have pain in the stomach, but in the back (the spine). As my mother treated her with pranic healing, her liver (right upper belly) has been very warm, there has been a pond of energy, as she said. The patient is an older woman with black hair. After she put forward this case, I explain it's parallels with my dream to my mother. Finally she recognises them. This is another beat on my sceptical head. It takes some hours, a walk outside and a talk to my girlfriend to get from a very high level of "fuzzyness" back to my normal level again.

I interpret dreams since I was fourteen. But in the last time (especially since I work on LD) interpreting is not that easy anymore. And if psi seems to intermingle, it gets more and more complex. Seems that interpreting in my old manner seems not to be appropriate anymore. Its more than ever that dreaming is not a kind of letter from sleeping to waking mind, but a kind of living in its own laws, open to my own (personal) waking life, open to consciousness of different levels, open to physical (transpersonal) reality, too, but in a very special way. If I were to interpret my dreams now, it would be very similar to making a sense of my waking life.

I wish us all a rich and lucid dream - life

Yours Ralf

Yo, Alan:

Great program on our public air waves today...

Researchers at U of Penn doing brain scans on meditation and religious peebles..

http://freshair.npr.org/

Just thought you would be interested...

Joe

Hi all! Need to write this fast because plane leaves in ~13 hours and I haven't even left work yet, much less started packing, so pardon me if I don't polish it. In my mind this is important enough that it's better to get it out there somehow.

It's this: for anyone coming to the ASD conference, if there is any way at all that you can be in San Francisco by midday on the 8th (or an earlier day would be even better), I strongly recommend that you arrange your schedule so that you can see the exhibit "010101--Art in Technological Times" at the SF Museum of Modern Art. It closes on July 8th. I love this show and think you would too. It is nothing like you would imagine from the title, or even from most of the reviews I've found...to my mind it isn't really about technology, but rather it is about how the mind works.

By the way, their web site (http://010101.sfmoma.org/) is useless and impossible to navigate, a prime example of everything that one can do wrong on a web site. It seems to me like a good candidate for http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com, which by the way is a great site.

Anyway, to give you an idea of what I mean about it being about the mind:

(a) One exhibit consists of 2 rooms set up so that one increases your levels of melatonin when you sit in it, while the other decreases it.

(b) One artist works entirely in "eye motions"...his works consist of tracings of a machine's recordings of his eye motions, often looking remarkably like the object he is looking at.

(c) One difficult-to-describe room, projecting a movie on the walls using a very simple technological trick, gives you the impression of zooming effortlessly through a wide variety of landscapes and cityscapes with no regard to any obstacles that would have been in the camera's way. This felt remarkably like my favorite "zooming" dreams.

(d) In one you borrow a camcorder for 15 minutes which displays a filmed "walk around the museum" and you are instructed to follow the same walk pointing the camera in the same places. This causes quite remarkable confusion about which things are "really" where you are pointing the camera and which things aren't. I won't give away what happens when it takes you into the stairwell marked "staff only"...

I'm giving a terrible impression of this. Maybe you'd be better off reading the reviews after all. Or just take my word for it...you'll want to see this. Even if you're not going to the conference but are or will be in California, this is worth the trip.

Aloha,

-Raul Waste-Art

Thanks, Laura, for taking the time to share this with us!

But, again, it makes me somewhat jealous of the cultural/technological goings-on there on the west coast...

But dont fret, through this great portal I met two LD'ers here in Cincinnati! Well, two hipsters who know what it is called anyway...;o)

Terry Gross and Dr. Michael Baime MD talked about it on her show Wednesday, but even they wern't yet hip...

http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/fa/20010620.fa.ram

About the virtual reality thing, I read a neat feature article in Scientific American recently.... The Internet 2 will supposably have enough bandwidth to have multiple (4 or 6) video feeds providing a multi-perspective 3d representation of a person or experience..Through in audio, and smell...and well..then plug it into your bioport, and you may be close to a LD! I'm glad Timothy Leary saw this before his moon shot....

z(Tune in, Turn on and drop "what?") z z z z ojlahcs hpesoj

Thanks Laura and Joe, I might go Laura....let you know afterwards how it felt to be there! I saw a program on discovery channel about Supernova's , Einstein, Edwin Hubble,Robert Kirschner,Saul Perlmutter,Michio Kahn, talking about relativitytheory,galaxy.space and time. I thought of the book title in Maui " Time ,Space and Knowledge" in my dream, In Paia, I noticed a book Space ,Time and ........I forgot the last word. 1 on ten stars is a supernova, what about our "supernova"dreamer, synchronicity.......... Quote "We are made of stars" this was mentioned in the program.They have found 80 supernova's by now. First being invisible, then a lightflash, and how far back in time is to trace by the light. 4 or 8 miljard years old,real "old" though! Hermine

Hermine:

Scale is so very important...

Science News on June 9 reported astronomers seeing fledgling galaxies and quasi-stellar objects (quasars) discovered at 12 Billion light years away...

What is really cool to think about is that you see light being emitted from these object that long ago! So, yes, you are looking back in time (even when you see yourself in the mirror).

Cosmologist speculate that our universe is 14-15 Billion years old, so with a simple hubble upgrade, we may very well see the start of it all, or at least the start of what is now (keep that space suit handy Story Musgrave!!). And then what would we see beyond that? Depends on what your definition of "is" is ;~0

z (Higgs boson particle) z z z Joohoo! <<flying right ito the big bang!

Hi Joe..... There was a sun eclipse last Thursday, my youngest brother works for the Institute in Utrecht where the telescopes and all information about the starry sky are, he told me this was only to see in South Africa....I will look in our country for those nature phenomenons like last year August or mooneclipse in the other years, 1996,1998, or falling meteors......1998..I was in New York and saw the car on which had fallen one meteor! In Mauii I had a dream on Friday about Atlantis, I remembered the song of Donavan about Atlantis Hej down under the ocean where I wanna be etc... I met Donavan by coincidence in a workshop of Deepak Chopra in Oxford and I got this cd from him Uri Keller was also present in this public another evening and during the program I also bent my little spoon......My friend from the Netherlands and I were really amazed, I never had this experience before!I tell myself this was accidental and maybe next time it would not happen. Although I never tried it again. In Maui I also dreamt that our queen Juliana died, last weekend she was in hospital and in the newspaper came the news she had been in such a bad condition that the doctors believed she could die and her daughter Beatrix had to come home immediately from her businesstrip.She was not in hospital the last years, so it was a real sign something went bad this time but they succeeded to cure her with medication. I'm still dreaming about houses (theme of last week) this time I was drinking lots of water and I was controlling if the doors were closed. I didn't want to sleep in the house and went to a dormitory and later on to a Hotel.(more convenient.....)I had a real experience of being in a dormitory when I was at a boarding school between 12 and 16 years old.We had separated rooms but the top was open...... I have out of body dreams, my imagery about being in space is quite natural. Hermine

I wake up quite wide at 6 am because it's too hot. I re-fall asleep on my back and have my first LD induced by a reality check!

I arrived in a subway, shoeless. I say this seems unprepared of me, I wonder if this is a dream. I am quite composed & find a sign on the wall that each of three times changes it's message.

I am amazed at how "real" everything is...what a trickster the dream is! Now that I have intellectualized my knowing that I am in a dream, I must convince my body.

I decide to float, of course. "Engage with the environment" I hear Stephen remind me, in my dream imagination.

Up I go, lucid floater, doing summersaults and smiling at dream characters. I find a photo booth, and decide that spinning was too jarring last time, so I rub my hands on the orange curtain as a little boy watches me.

In a mid-air spin, I must have closed my eyes and disengaged, because it wakes me up before I am satisfied with the adventure.

I think they call this Premature Ejection.

Had a series of near lucid experinces in the new place...

Actually drempt of fidgiting with the tape, and not being able to get it to play...

Easy trigger to miss, huh ;o)

zzzzz (Georgie Girl) z z z z z jose

Hi Joe, Tokopa and other readers,

Tokopa, again a subway dream, I remember you had one in Maui! About shoeless, I didn't say the dream I had, my mother was on a ladder, missing one shoe, after this I also wondered why she was missing this shoe? In your dream does it mean anything to you that you are shoeless? I mean barefooted will give a different feeling than with shoes on? More grounded I suppose so... Joe do you mean with your new place, where you started to live the last few months? I had a dream this morning about finding my key and going somewhere to ask for a new one. I wanted a masterkey. I thought I had to be on the fifth floor ,room number 537 or 538.( I never lived in an apartment, so I wondered after my dream why it was the fifth floor.And why this number came to my mind? I didn't continue to be lucid afterwards...... I realized I made a copy of a small piece of paper and I changed my dress going to a party, in my room. ( I will have two party's this week, but not in an apartment somewhere!) So far so good, meet you the 1th of July, dreamshifting..... Hrmine

Coco puffs:

I can think of a lot of other places to safely go barefoot!

Is this imagry the lingering effects of some concern (dare I say phobia) you are confronting from a past waking world experience?

Or do you think it is some sort of anticipatory exploration of what the experience may possibly be like?

Shoeless "Joe" Jackson

Careful with that direct eye contact down there, and footsies, well, better not go there!

Gosh. Imagine all the nasty things you could step on in the subway. Barefoot is not the way to be in the underbelly of the city. It would be okay if I were in the country with my barefeet, where they would get a lovely shade of dirty and I might dip them into a pond or wriggle my toes in tall grass. But the subway is for moving at the speed of the city, rushing in darkness, with no sense of bearing. It is especially popular for getting to work on time. And while you rush to your destination, you admire each other's footwear, imagining you can tell a thing or two about what kind of shoes some choose. Really organized workers wear two pairs of shoes... runners to run to work, then impossible spikes to sit still...making only the occasional, slinky walk to the water cooler or the coffee machine. Shoes are for the feet you stand on, the feet you walk in. They can be comfy, practical, sexy, serious, fashionable, bohemian, restraining, blistery, towering, confident and a million other things. I suppose I should just pick some out and get it over with.

Toko, I had a dream the other day, after I read your dream. I was in a factory full of shiny equipment. I was leading a tour, explaining all of the equipment, when I noticed that Laura was in the tour group. I greeted her and then noticed that she was not wearing any shoes. I instantly awoke. Sigh--

Thinking back to my English lit. days ... Shoes were said to represent civilization and conformity to society's standards. There is a scene in "Heart of Darkness" when the protagonist's shoes are washed overboard as he travels further up the river into the interior, into the heart of darkness.

I had a dream years ago when I was growing away from my childhood religion. I still remember the dream with a chuckle. I was in a church meeting and was just fed up with the whole thing. The meeting was outside in a park setting, something not ordinarily done in the church. I slipped off my shoes and tip-toed out the back of the congregation. I took it as a message that it was time to cast off the confining religion.

Hi!I had a dream about shoes too. I had a relashionship with a man in the past and I had a dream that if I want to please him and make him like me more I would have to wear nice shoes, I mean the proper one. That was a good advice at that time.

Beatrice...

Wear the shoes that "fit" you...

Man walk into forest... Man want to admire rare Foo bird... Man left forest angry, wishing he had hat... Confucius say " If Foo shits, wear it"

Joseph <<<<<<"Flying in a blue dream" all the way to Chicago on July 10 to see Satriani.....

My Dear Maui Friends,

As I read your posts, I vicariously join in your dreamy adventures. I can almost feel your energy intermingling in instant communication. I remember each of you in a special way. When on Maui, I felt we were a cohesive group with Lucid Dreaming as our bond.

Since I have not had a LD yet- since returning home in this- my first post, I will tell of my experience with the Spirits of Maui. I was sitting near the pool waiting for my massage session with Jeannie. I closed my eyes and fell into meditation, or was it a dream. I thought of the Spirits of Maui, and then saw them as beautiful, large Hawaiian women floating gracefully about in that blue sky. They also seemed to float near me. Since it was daylight, the colors that swirled about were in pastels. I asked their blessings for all of us since we were strangers to Maui. I sent them love and energy and asked that Maui be "restored'. I had heard that this was a goal of the people of Maui.

I will appreciate your thoughts on the relationship between meditation and lucid dreaming. I don't remember this subject being brought in our LD sessions.

Love to all, Betty

Hi Betty and Maui spirits,

I made a picture of you Betty, near the meditation place and the waterfall, I'll send you one, as I will send others a picture of the finishing touch at the end.....on the stairs having the beautiful view on Mana Lea's gardens. Your waiting near the pool brought up a beautiful dream and the love and energy you sent feels good. Restoration, renovation quite a development in this nature area. Surrounded by the oceanwaves, mountains and the blue sky it was a wonderful experience. If I was a poet or writer I would feel quite inspired as I did being there. Hermine

Betty!

How great that you have joined us. I'm sure your blessing & communing with the Maui Goddesses did a great deal to bring us together.

Toko

Hi Betty, From the book "The Tibetan art of Healing" Ian A.Baker, paintings by Romio Shrestha Quote page 161 Sogyal Rinpoche said,"to cure our most fundamental disease-primordial ignorance-there is no medicine besides the wisdom arising from meditation. Only through realizing our true nature can we hope to bring lasting benefit to ourselves or others"In the healing practices of Tibetan medicine the inert and unknowing energies that unbalance our lives are restored to conscious awareness. Healing is to make whole,to unify,to eroticize. In recognizing our inseparability from all life, we may discover wholeness and healing , not simply in turning away from the world, but in living more abundantly in a spirit of generosity and unbounded play........In the act of restoring wholeness, Buddhist claim, one renews both self and other.(Buddhist ideal of compassion) In Tibetan art the ideal is shown not as a "fisher of men",but as one who opens the nets of ignorance and partiality and restores beings to their naturally liberated state. May we have a healing dreamnight...... Hermine

High dreamers, I woke up at 800 this morning ( 11 o'clock in the evening in California)I am going by train to Kussnacht in Switzerland,(near Luzern, south from Zurich) I wake up in this dream, because I arrive at the train, after I found my ticket, and then I notice Anne and Will didn't take my luggage. Anne is the one telling me, we don't do this anylonger.I feel sad, because if I will go and take my luggage I might miss the train. I feel sad, I cann't count on them. I remember other situations in which Anne was counteracting towards me,in reality and in my dream again.Sometimes I felt blamed in public the last years. I wonder why I keep the contact and don't tell her again about these situations. Later on I am on a boat and I was sitting on a small seat, outside next to the mast(in the air ) On the seat is a text f.i. about feeling emotional or my emotions. A man came along and looked at me . I climbed up along the rope to the topdeck.(although there was a ropeladder.) Then I had a rope with a train at the end and I pull the train by the rope from the right top to the left top and then around to the other side from the left corner back to the right corner again, where the train started and I try to circle it around again. The four corners were higher and I really had to use my strength to keep it going and to watch the pieces of the rope wuold not come in between. Finally, I went and was waiting for a bus. I had to wait till 825 and I paid for my ticket. A young child was standing there and she wrote "Beter Leren" in Dutch. I told her this is from the "Wechsler" Intelligence scale"To learn better" I wondered if she could write the words. Around 1200 today, so 3 at night California and 12 in Maui. I thought of our dreamgroup. Picturing all of us ,one by one by visualizing . I saw us near the pool as I promissed Joan to find out what will happen. I thought the women could do something separate from the men. So I counted if all the women were present and I inspired by Lorella's Paragliding,suggested to go on our journey of paragliding and the men were in the pool, which seemed to be much larger. They were like dolphins and penguins,splashing in and out the water. I wondered if romance was possible in such a group .......Wind and air,water and earth elements. I woke up again with the shocking effect, noticing my ex husband with his new girlfriend preparing marriage,(as they did in reality last year October) I was in the building , a big hal, dining rooms,lounge etc. all in preparation and they were sitting there and I was witnessing the whole situation. I was crying, but I did nothing to intervene, after all the crying in the dream stopped and I woke up by being conscious, it was just a dream. Hermine

Hi Hermine! I had a dream about a boyfriend I had tree yars ago. He was with his new girlfriend and I told her that I think she was pretending to be someone that she isn't, and I didn't like to be in her place because she sounds very false just to please that man. I haven't seen him for 3 years, and maybe I had only one dream about him. After a couple of hours I woke up I was walking in a park with a friend telling her about the dream and we saw them both! I felt like talking to them but he pretend he didn't see me. I was ok because I had already made the simulation at night, just want to check how she realy was. Joan thank you for the presentation. I didn't forget but all I could do was met a lucid dream friend you don't know in a non lucid dream. Beatrice

Hi Beastrice, Nice to hear about your dreamexperience after our talk in Chicago, I remember some of your experiences coming back into your dreams....... As you might notice the same with my dreams! People told me the new girlfriend of your ex is not "genuine", she forced him into .......etc. Our reality shows the truth, I wonder why I would bother or cry about such a situation, I was happy at the end of the dream my crying was over as my emotions were less overwhelming as before. A kind of "healing"isn't it. Hermine

Hermine, smashing good work on the dream meeting. I'm so glad that you are willing to do this experiment. I've always been intrigued by the idea of mutual dreaming. We need only work on this, and we can do it. Just like lucid dreaming. And to quote our Dream Elf, "One is only limited by one's own imagination.'

I woke from non-lucid dreams this morning (Sunday, 1 July 2001) about our group. I met up with several of you. It was not at Mauna Lea Gardens but at a sort of dormitory setting. Robert was there, and I saw Hermine and Beatrice for sure. We were watching movies like we did at dream camp. I had the feeling that everyone was about somewhere. There was no para gliding and no pool in my dreams. However, I was thinking that tonight Sunday/Monday, 1/2 July 2001 was the appointed meeting time. When I woke up this morning I was pleased that I'd encountered Maui folk but figured that I was a day early. (Sort of like Laura.) Anyway, I am looking forward to tonight for another try.

It's about 1930 hours here in California. So, that's 1630 hours Maui time. It's 0230 hours in Holland and 0430 in Germany. (Holland is at Zulu-time (a.k.a. Greenwich Mean Time, GMT or Z-time).) Does that sound right, Hermine and Ralf? So, you two should be sleeping right now. I'm thinking of Ralf swimming in the pool like a dolphin or a penguin and Hermine and Laurella para gliding around above the pool. I think I see Alan in the hot tub! Sweet dreams, Y'all.

Nina Jonrab

Hi for Sasha and others, This morning the baker of our village was in my dream!(Last dreamnight you asked not to forget the baker..... The doctor was there too, he was worried, he was talking about the man as he seemed to be 70 and the man is in his forties......(maybe older and wiser,so not to worry at all)(my ex-husband was the doctor in my dream,in reality he has been a general practitioner in the village where I lived since 1976) Hermine and yes Joan, I asked myself too, is it 3oth to 1 of July dreamnight or first of July to the second of July. Because of Sunday I had more time to dream, now I start working at 830 and will be at work about dreamnighttime for the Californian people.

Hi, lucid folks!

I'm sorry, but I had to work a lot. And it seems, that I have myself a period of "resistance" regarding the integration of lucid dreaming, living with ESP and without cigarettes. My old habits and worldviews seem simply to conspire in an attempt to restore the old government of isolation, consensus sleep and inflexibility. But "I shall not be moved", just like a tree, standing by the lucid water.

I did the Maui experiment, but didn't see anyone. But I felt very well motivated to persist while going through the 61 points. It is very strange: The last two weeks I have been very frustrated regarding LDing. I had all the resistance. And at the same time I felt a longing for the dream world, for the lucid loving being ONE as if I have been far away from home for a long time. Now I feel, that I inevitably will succeed to have lucid dreams at will. But I don't know, how I come to this undoubtful feeling. I'm very impressed by all our improvements in Lucid Dreaming. It is wonderful, that we can meet here and support one another.

Join forces and get aware of being ONE

Yours Ralf

I managed to LD the other morning - finding myself in a mall, I engaged with the environment. Once again, I was taken with how deceptive the dream can be, in all its mundanaeity, otherwise known as reality. So, now awake, I descend an escalator. I float a bit before I remember to do something worthwile. I decide to ask someone important what my true vocation is (the lucid pyramid eye was a bit prophetic, and I have been hoping for a proper job to pay the bills)...but all I can find are mannequins. I wake up.

But this morning (6 AM my time is 12 Hawaii)I wake up with the intention of becoming lucid on Maui. My intention is good, but desire wanders to my own situation, forgetting how it was there, how you all were, how I was with you...

Instead I dream of being in a terrible work situation, where my new boss is my Napoleanic landlord, Joe. Joe has "little-man-syndrome". The job is some lousy telemarketing thing - I feel as if I have been greatly demoted, and Joe's extreme aggression only makes matters that much more bleak.

He tells us we have 20 minutes to call our leads, which are 'for rent' apartment ads. I duck out to the bathroom, trying to figure out a plan to not be caught, as I don't have any leads. As I make my way back to the work room, I decide ... f*ck it! I don't want this lousy job anyway - I can just tell him to kiss my ass if he gives me grief.

When I arrive back in the room, the president of this company is there, asking for me. He tells me he has something to discuss. I realise I have been chosen to be given a fantastic job, and I am honored! He takes me to the meeting room where I find a table full of funky, young professionals and I sit amongst them. I am really glad to be there. I wake up.

After the dream, I go to my computer and check my e-mail....finding a message from the president of Warner Music, (a mentor that I greatly admire), asking me to interview for the A&R position that is open there! (A&R stands for Artists & Repertoire...it is the person responsible for finding and signing new talent to record contracts).

Can you believe it???

Not only a premonotory dream, but a great opportunity too! I will let y'all know how it turns out!!

Love,

Toko-pa

Hi Toko-pa , yes, I can believe it! Congratulations!! Hermine