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1/21/2003, 4:36:00 AM
#151

Yes, it is possible to ask dreams for information on any subject including past dreams. I think the easiest way is to go to sleep with a question in mind, and then interpret whatever dreams you end up having in light of how they may relate to your question. I've done this with interesting and helpful results. Even if you don't seem to be dreaming about the subject directly, you can get very interesting symbolic insights.

I (and others) can also sometimes purposefully return to a specific dream scene, especially right after waking from it. One can even do this while awake by relaxing, remembering the dream, letting your mind drift and seeing what else you see.

And when you're aware that you're dreaming, you can ask your question within the dream.

Good luck and enjoy!

Joy

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1/21/2003, 11:38:43 PM
#152

I recently relived a dream that I had about ten years ago. I fell asleep trying to recall the details of the dream and ended up reliving it. It was the first time I have ever done that, but then again I had never tried before. I didn't become active in the dream, just let the events unfold as they had before.

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1/24/2003, 6:28:13 PM
#153

Hi,

Maybe this is not the place I sould send this message but because this is the place where I shared most, I thought it is best to write here. I was not sending any dreams to anyone in last days. I decided that I should give a break to myself. But I had to write this dream someplace before it comestrue (if it will). I think something terrible will happen at the second weekend of February if it will cometrue.

"In my dream there where lots of children covered with mud and dirt. Some were nude and some were wearing thorn pants or blouses. Their hairs were dirty and covering their eyes. But their eyes were huge and I could see their eyes between the dirty hairs. They were looking with despair and hunger. Everywhere was deserted, there were no plants. We were at the backyard of a white house wich was mine. Than I saw the scene from the sky. I began to watch the scene as I was looking from the moon to the earth and still seeing the children very clear on the deserted world (I mean without any green or blue as the photos taken from space). Than I get lucid and begin to think that I can't and should not watch from there, I should fly to where they are and help them. I was also thinking that house was not mine. I tried to focus but I couln't find the exact place where they were. One minute they seem on the north of the world, other minute they seem at the east or west. I decided not to wait looking from the space more and because I was lucid I can find them anyway. I had the fastest fly in my dreams and found myself near them. They were looking at me with hope in their huge eyes. I said; I will try to find something to eat and wear but because this was not my house, first I should look in the house. They were waiting in silence and look as they have pain. I entered the house. There was nothing but a calender on the wall. The calender was showing the February and the second weekend was taken in a red circle. I thought it must be the time what had happened. Finding nothing I went out again. There was a pump and all I could do was to pump water to the ground. All the children began to lick the water from the ground with hunger. I tried to prevent them to do it thinking they may get disease from the dirty water spilled on the ground. One of them turned her eyes to me. She told me "The worst has already happened. There is nothing you can do other than giving hope and it is also going away" (no words, she spoke with her eyes). I felt desperate. I thought if I can turn the time back beeing lucid. Than sat down and began to cry. My eyedrops were dropping to the dirty water absorbing by the ground faster than the children trying to lick it. I picked and throw a rock to the calender on the wall which I can see from the open door of the house. It hit the red circle.I woke up with a feeling of hate to the February and sorrow for all the children."

It may not and I wish not be a cometrue dream but I had an urge to enrol it somewhere. And this is where I shared most during my short dream search. I think you will understand me.

Thanks.

Ilkin

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1/25/2003, 3:14:02 AM
#154

Dear Ilkin- that was certainly a very powerful dream. Dreams can certainly be among the most emotionally powerful experiences we can have. Only time will tell if it is in any way precognitive, or if it perhaps refers in some broader way to your concern for the turmoil and strife in some parts of today's world.

I hope you don't mind my asking a more technical question of you. I do not wish to dismiss the power of the dream, so please do not think I am doing this. But I am very curious as to what you mean when you say it was a lucid dream. I am not clear on this. Did you, throughout the dream, understand that it was a dream, and a product of your mind? I would appreciate your explanation of this. Some people when they say lucid dream, are speaking of a very vivid dream that seems real, but not necessarily that they fully understood it was a dream while they were dreaming it. Thank you.

Sincerely, Reverie

Lucidity Institute Forum
1/25/2003, 5:31:32 PM
#155

Dear Brenda,

I learned the term "lucid" just lately.I always knew in most of my dreams that I was dreaming (when I experienced anything strange to real life), speak with my self what to do or what to think, control, direct, fly and interprate them as I want all my life. If this means lucid, my dreams are lucid.

Sincerely

Ilkin

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1/28/2003, 5:54:59 AM
#156

It's interesting that you experienced the events in your dream as being so painful, and exhibited such concern for the people in it... more like if you thought it was really happening than if you really understood it to be a dream-- in other words, a creation of your own mind.

True enough, even a fully lucid dream can be distressing...our concern for our fellow creatures runs deep, even if we know it's a dream. But really knowing it's all a product of your mind should alleviate some of the pain, and perhaps allow you to make choices in the dream that reflect the true nature of your situation.

If you ever have a dream like that again, it might be a good idea to ask-- while it's happening-- "Why is my mind creating this scenario, this dream? Is there something to be understood here? What could the Dream-Me do in this Dream Situation?" This might be a useful approach, particularly when you find a given dream as disturbing as the one you described.

Sometimes an on-the-spot inquiry-- possible with lucidity-- can bring insight. Really knowing that what you're experiencing is a dream--and everything this really implies-- offers a whole new array of possibilities.

These are just some ideas, offered here without knowing anything about you or your beliefs.

Reverie

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1/28/2003, 1:52:15 PM
#157

Reverie,

Sorry for my ignorance but can't a dream may be both lucid and prophetic. In my experiences it can be. And because of the pain is, beeing lucid I was aware that it can also be a prophetic one as usual. And in a lucid dream, knowing about my prophetic dreams I was aware that I was having one and can't change anything at the end.

So coming to your question; "Why is my mind creating this scenario, this dream? Is there something to be understood here? "

My answer is; "Although I was lucid, this was a prophetic dream. There was something more than my mind cerating a scenario. I tryed what I can do or change by beeing lucid. But there is nothing more I can do. My lucidities limits can't go far. That is why I sat down and cry and throw the rock to the calender at the end of the dream. Because I understood in my lucidity that it was also a prophetic one."

Ilkin

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1/28/2003, 6:28:51 PM
#158

Dear Ilkin-I am sleepily drinking my tea and this is the first thing I've read today and my heart hurts for it. I am sending you and all my living family of plants, creatures, humans etc. a warm, healing hug every day to melt away the hurt and ignorance that keeps a fear frequency keening on our beautiful planet. Hope will NEVER die among the peace warriors of Love and Light. LOVE-Tif

Lucidity Institute Forum
1/28/2003, 10:46:13 PM
#159

Dear Ilkin--

One can only hope that the dream you described was not prophetic. But unless I've misunderstood you, it does sound as if you've decided it was.

If you don't mind my asking, what is it about the dream that convinces you it is prophetic? Past experience, perhaps? Its vividness? The specificity of its content? Or something else?

I'm not saying it isn't prophetic... but I am honestly interested in the thought processes by which people come to their conclusions about such things.

By the way, Ilkin and everyone, I'm not trivializing the dream's emotional power, nor the beliefs of a fellow dreamer. My questions are sincere and I think worth asking, given the context and mission of this Forum. Thank you for your thoughts on this.

Reverie

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1/28/2003, 10:51:37 PM
#160

Beeing lucid, I sensed it was prophetic.

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1/28/2003, 11:04:48 PM
#161

Hopefully you will share my relief if time proves your dream not to be a prophetic one, after all.

Sincerely, Reverie

Lucidity Institute Forum
1/29/2003, 2:05:55 PM
#162

Reverie:

Some of us are grateful for your thoughtful questions. Genuine interest or curiosity matched with difficult questions can be a tool for real learning on this site. Honest questions, and a willingness to at least look for another explanation (even one which might negate what you want to believe), pave the road to truth. They are also what help this forum to rise above so many other dream forums that I have browsed which amount to little more than mutual admiration societies that do not care to to stimulate knowledge about lucid dreaming.

Thank you for having the strength and good sense to voice your questions. Hopefully, as they are answered, we'll all get to share some real value from the excellent material dreamers like Ilkin present here.

Peter

Lucidity Institute Forum
2/1/2003, 8:12:47 PM
#163

Joy, Edwin and all...

I send all my condolences and peace wishes to all friends in US, Israel and all over the world. I think the shuttle accident is a big loss for all humanity and science. I wish we won't live any more disasters like this in the world....

Ilkin

Lucidity Institute Forum
2/11/2003, 7:11:38 PM
#164

Ilkin,

I don't believe this is the place to post this but since you did post it:

What about the people dying from starvation and lack of medication in Africa? A shuttle program's budget can save a lot more lives than the ones lost in the explosion or any other space "tragedy". I don't see why people suddenly make a big fuss bad about a shuttle exploding and not even care about everyday tragedies.

Everyones feels sad when something like this happens, but don't overdo it and be a sheep following the newspaper headlines. Think more critical. It helps getting lucid in dreaming as well (just to get back to the purpose of the forum)

Peace and respect to all living things.

I wish people would concentrate more on earth than the skies.

Lucidity Institute Forum
2/11/2003, 8:04:34 PM
#165

Nicolas,

I believe this was a place for my post because I have dear friends from US and Israel with whom I shared thoughts here. And even if they are not, for me any loss for humanity is also my loss.

I don't know which country are you from but beeing from a developing country, believe me I know very well how many usefull things can happen with such a budget. As a journalist I wrote about USA's wrong doings, woman and childrens conditions from Africa to Asia many times. I criticized US politics against third world countries all my life. But this can't mean the US people can't be my friends, I can't share anything with them. Vise is vise and stupid is stupid in every country.

I neither make a big fuss about shuttle nor not care about everyday tragedies. Knowing millions children are near death in Africa or massacres in Chechenia doesn't means not give the importance to the scientists died in the shuttle or sent to space other day by Russia they deserve. THEY WERE NOT POLITICIANS, THEY WERE SCIENTISTS. Please don't mix apples and peas.

I never had been a sheep following the newspapers headlines. On the contarary I many times made the headlines and know very well how to read what is behind the lines.

As you say; peace and respect to all living things.

Ilkin

Lucidity Institute Forum
6/16/2003, 11:01:49 PM
#166

remote viewing; an informal agreement between 2 forum users, who have never met..me in NH and Eric in Belgium

Eric and I devised an experiment where we would try to dream each others' pets. We agreed to incubate by looking at animals during our week and asking ourselves, "I wonder if this is like x"s pet..."and to discuss our findings at the weekend...after using our usual pre-sleep induction methods.

Early in the experiment, I dreamed of an ostrich. Eric reported there had been an ostrich farm (unusual in Belgium) in his neighborhood that had burned down. Since he did not know the owners, he felt this was an "irrevelant" dream, as I was supposed to dream of his pet.and the ostrich ..merely a coincidence. I had not mentioned to him that since my own pet had died, my present ("grand")pets were down the street with my grandchildren. I just thought he might dream of either my deceased schnauzer--or one our four family pets at my kids small farm nearby.

Lucidity Institute Forum
6/16/2003, 11:16:59 PM
#167

re: remote viewing/pet experimental dream series Synchronicity--Eric had dreams of 3 animals--camel, elephant, and snake. 1) He had no way of knowing I have a favored ( could be termed "pet") old, brass gift, a camel, by my elbow at the computer. 2) I had recently sketched in my journal an extravagant elephant dream, --parade of circus style or elegantly-costumed elephants as far as the eye can see. I was waiting impatiently for my mount to join the parade..3) although not considered pets in the usual sense, Josie and I had been observing family of garden snakes in my front yard shortly before his dream.

Lucidity Institute Forum
6/17/2003, 2:33:14 PM
#168

Wendy:

An intriguing experiment! I hope you continue to inform us about any results. I also have two questions, and one caveat:

Question: Since Belgium time is five hours ahead of NH, have the two of you adjusted your sleep schedules so that you are both dreaming at relatively the same time?

Question: Are you performing this experiment using lucid dreaming?

Caveat: Though you seem to be careful to qualify your results (i.e., dismissing your ostrich dream), be careful also to avoid seeing too much in them. Your plan was to learn of each other's pets, and, though the camel figurine could, at a stretch, be termed a pet for you, elephants and snakes could not (they're also fairly common animals, archetypically). Had the experiment gone perfectly, Eric would indeed have dreamed about your dead schnauzer, one of your grand-pets, or some symbolic representation of them.

Thanks for sharing!

Peter

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1/14/2004, 12:31:35 PM
#169

Eric's Belgian, neighboring farm's (deceased) pet-ostrich has arrived in NH...2nd dream-visit after Xmas. Pulsasting and neon..I am trying to check to see in that is within (UC berkeley's) ken kelzer's definition of Lucid. Seems I read somewhere a broader definition than Stephen's. ..If anyone else has, will appreciate the reference. I remember dream thoughts "Oh he's still alive" after seeing ostrich give me a fish-eyed huge and meaningful blink ; did I know I was dreaming? Not totally..so i s really no. But I knew it was not a real blink..even tho was an absolutely certain "alive" for sure eye. So guess dream startle is NLD..ostrich morphed into dead fish..more archetypals.

Reviewing this imperfect dream-pet experiment, one may inquire..is it "remotely" possible that passivity is influenced by SL's class remarks regarding "older folks have diminished LD capacity"? One hopes for numerous vibrantly pulsating and notable exceptions.

I think old monks/dream yogans might believe past lab experiments could very well be inconclusive--research possibly tainted by underrepresented populations. Allowing for the fact that it may be is hard to ferret out lively old ones..also, that other researchers may agree...concerned academics may want to rethink inconclusive stereotypical judgements..or at least be aware that there are possibilities of exceptions to that stinging blanket statement on sensitive ( if elderly) ears of incubating Dream-selves. Reverberations from dreamtreachers' classes and subsequent long-term influences are intensely woven into the subconscious, even if a student knows scholarly imperfection is an excusable human frailty. Am not screaming ageism, just hoping "intent" will inspire young future researchers to investigate all ages more equally

I realize research takes precedence over support of aging LD'ers...complaints fall onto vacuous unending chambers of cyber-ear-waves..so thx 2 Rumi "the sound of my own applause is enough" "A" for effort to eric and wendy...continued success in your flying sessions, even if they are somewhat archetypal."

Lucidity Institute Forum
5/2/2004, 6:19:34 AM
#170

Dean Radin on psi and scepticism:

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/other/skepticism.htm

Very worthy read, as is all his book "The Conscious Universe"

Sweet lucid dreams

Ralf

Lucidity Institute Forum
7/22/2004, 3:21:20 AM
#171

Hi fellow dreamers..I think Ilkins dream report was top rate and very spiritual.. Any dream that brings out the superior human response of concern and love like with those starving children hovers high above any lucid dream being used for personal [play time] So many people use that phrase DONT YOU KNOW THIS DREAM WAS A PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN MIND? In many cases this may be true! But I cant see all dreams as meaningless that way! The american Indians had spiritual dreams often as well as prophetic dreams in their rituals..These dreams have been reported all over the world for more than the last 100 years by many diferant races of people..Many see dreams as the language of the angels at least ones not manipulated by the dreamer that is..I do not see every dream as a spiritual message but a small percentage may contain messages that come to us in mental pictures that project into meanings that project into words. I havent seen My uncle for 8 years but I feel he has died because of a dream I had.. I saw a house It was my uncles house I saw his face breifly..Then I saw another house sitting next to his in a space where their should be only a field..The house was rundown weeds growing all around cement cracking..I noticed it was very quiet and empty..I got a STRONG feeling of lonlyness viewing that house for it was a house filled with people for many years his sons and daughters [ my cousins ] they laughed and lived their lives like time would never end! I think dreams have more power than many of us think! I myself view my dreams with a degree of respect and If I had the choice of flying around all night or talking to an angel.. I would pick the angel.. Cool dreams ...tom

Lucidity Institute Forum
7/23/2004, 11:54:00 AM
#172

Hey, Tom High and lucid dreams to you and everyone.

You adress a great question...

I still see Ilkin on the WorldDreamsPeaceBridge (discussion group) Main website:

http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/

This goes to Kate, too. In this discussion group you find examples of lucid and intentional dreaming and peacework.

Lucidity Institute Forum
7/26/2004, 2:52:39 AM
#173

Thanks for your response Ralf. Ill visit ilkins site..cool dreams to all.. tom..

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