Hello has anyone noticed the weather in Hilo? It seems that it will be raining for the next 9 days. Should we plan for a lot of rain while we're there? Just wondering...

jon, thanks for the internet hypnosis. I'll let you know if it works! I think I have been trying too hard too, in a state of panic that I won't be able to achieve lucidity before the conference and I'll be the only one not having lucid dreams. I would feel like such a loser.

thanks for the info on pictures. I'll check them out. also I put my picture on the profile thing.

aloha jane

Aloha, Jane

What crummy weather! I'm bringing all-weather gear, just in case.

Keelin tells me you need a ride from the airport. Not a problem.

What's a chicken artist, exactly?

Are you on flight 234 from Honolulu?

-Paul

Aloha Jon!

Thanks for your pithy comments. It's always nice to hear someone else struggles with the same issues.

It never ceases to amaze me how elusive this lucid dreaming can be. Whenever I have an LD I always think, "How easy! I can just do that again any time I want!" Two months later, and LD-less, I'm wondering why it's so hard.

Maybe we should change the name to "Elusive Dreaming".

-Paul

HILO VS KALANI WEATHER: "For the rain it raineth every day."

It's always raining in Hilo! That means just about every day, or more typically, night. But there is also sunshine almost every day. Hilo is on the windward side of the Big Island so it gets a lot of rain.

Kalani, on the other hand, is just around the North East tip of the island and thus gets much less rain than Hilo. Last May at Kalani, there was only one really rainy day. But weather is chaotic and proverbially unpredictable. And whether it rains or shines in dreamland is another matter entirely!

Reminds me of (forgotten? dreamed?) verses of Shakespeare song from Twelfth Night:

When that I was a dreaming little boy With hey, ho, the wind and the rain, A rainbow was surprising joy For the rain it raineth every day.

Behind the many is just the One With hey, ho, the wind and the rain, As beyond the clouds shines the sun, And every dream makes the world again. Aloha! Stephen

Hey, everyone, there really is a Stephen LaBerge!! I thought I dreamed him up!

-Paul

Paul Yes, I'm on 234 with my sister. That would be great if we could all ride together. I'm a chicken artist because I paint chickens. Why chickens? I am often asked. because chickens are to me so simultaneously comic and tragic.

And yes! I too thought Stephen LaBerge was just a dream! He has always been little more than a rural myth for me!

I love rain but let's hope Stephen is right about the weather.

jane

Jon! Sorry, don't know what issue, but since the first notes on Lucid Dreaming in my computer are from the first of september 1998, it must have been some days before that. Jan

Dear Island Dreamers,

I must admit that I too missed some very obvious dreamsigns last night! There I was, flying in a multi-roomed airplane en route to the retreat, excitedly explaining to fellow passengers about lucid dreaming and the DAAK program. For awhile, I was wandering about "en pointe" (wearing ballet toe shoes) yet missing "thee point" of my own dreaming state!

There was man glancing my way while I stood for a moment en relevé. When he looked away, I quickly lowered by heels, so the next time he glanced over, I was a couple of inches shorter. I saw his look of surprise and bewilderment, and I wondered if he wondered if he was dreaming. This is quite the typical pre-retreat. pre-lucid dream for me. I get so very excited about the upcoming program and all the fun we will have that I simply can't wait to be there. Still, I'm determined that the NEXT TIME I dream about DreamCamp, I WILL notice that I'm dreaming!

Paul: There are many reasons why we miss even the most obvious and bizarre dreamsigns -- every night!-- and we will cover them all at the retreat. In the meantime, I'd suggest reading "A Fool's Guide to Lucid Dreaming" by Dr. Lynne Levitan, which you'll find on TLI's website. And don't worry, we'll get you all sorted out in a couple of weeks!

BTW: Bucky McMahon's excellent and entertaining article on the Dreaming and Awakening retreat last November appeared in the February 2003 issue of Esquire.

And do check out Stefan Gross's photo story from the same retreat!

Better resolve for us all! Keelin

PS: Jane! Thanks for posting your dreamy photo. I see you are surrounded by winged wonders.

Aloha, I love the dream about the airplane. I've never wondered whether one of my dream characters was dreaming me! how very lucid of you! Keelin, I dreamed I was talking to you on the phone about coming to the lucid dream conference (dreaming about being lucid here, but not actually lucid), and you said I had completely disrupted your life. I hope it's not true!

I can't wait to check out Bucky's article. Thanks to Paul for allowing me and Annabelle to share a ride from the airport. jane p.s. the photo with the chickens was taken in my brother's chicken coop.

Dear Jane,

I hope you didn't for a moment truly believe that you'd "completely disrupted my life"! Now there was a dreamsign for sure! ;) And isn't that just typical of dream phones? In my experience, they are completely unreliable! Never to be trusted to connect you to the desired person or even to function appropriately. They do make excellent cues, however, and I'll always be amused by the dream in which I became lucid when the payphone receiver unfolded like a sea urchin in my hand. Here was an auspicious opportunity to query the inner Dream Operator! "Do you have anything special to tell me?", I asked expectantly. A silent, suspenseful moment passed in which I could almost hear the wheels in my own head whirling. And then her rather flat response. "No", she said. "Not really." What else to do but hang the urchin and venture on....

Dream well and wild, oneironauts! Keelin

Keelin, No, I was pretty sure that my signing up for the conference didn't entirely disrupt your life! But thanks for reassuring me nonetheless.

I have often wondered if there is a real inner dream operator, because phones notoriously do not work well in dreams. I always find myself dialing wrong numbers and yelling into phones that barely work. This might make a funny phone commercial, since there are so many now about wireless phones, etc. I'd love to see a commercial with someone trying to make a call with a sea urchin, then the man could appear and say, you should have gotten verizon wireless! I once dreamed that my creative writing professor was on the other end of the phone, and I yelled and yelled his name until I was hoarse, and finally he got on the phone and asked me irritably, what's biting you? (because there was a large bird biting my ear at the time) and I said, it's not a bird, it's a bear!

but what a great question for the person on the other end of the dream phone to ask!

I keep wandering away from my paper due on Tuesday to post messages and daydream about the hawaiian adventure..... I better try to write a few more words about Ottoman Court Poetry before I disappear completely into a hawaiian daydream.

aloha, jane

"I'd love to see a commercial with someone trying to make a call with a sea urchin, then the man could appear and say, you should have gotten verizon wireless!" - great visual lol

Not a kanaka maoli, born near the kai. wikiwiki over ´aina pearching the sky!

pilikia evaporates under a kumu sun

varying ´olelo of different lahui, maybe kupuna the same inner hue.

malihini together as malama ´ohana, may enchanted dreams wai

...now i´ll eat a 'ono banana.

I may or may not have way to much time on my hands;)

aloha, jon

(http://www.hawaiiguide.com/restau~1/luaus/paradise/hawspk.htm)

aloha anyone out there having lucid dreams? I am being ridiculously unsuccessful right now, despite the fact that last night in my dream I found myself in the Brady Bunch being offered illegal drugs. It was even suggested that things would be more dreamlike if I accepted. and still I didn't realize it was a dream.

jon-how many languages do you speak now? I see you've added hawaiian. good work, private!

aloha jane

Aloha, Jane!

I didn't know chickens had to be painted. I thought they had feathers.

Just a little chicken (Chicken Little?) joke. Actually, I grew up on an egg ranch myself in New Jersey. Let me tell you, if you think painting chickens is hard, try roping an egg from a moving chicken!

Sorry, couldn't resist the chicken humor. And I really did grow up on an egg farm.

Sure, the more the merrier. I think Jon needs a ride, too. I'll find you on board 234. I'm sure I can recognize you by the far away, dreamy look in your eyes. Or else, by the chicken feathers on your fingers.

Boy, only one week to wait!

See you soon!

-Paul

Hi Paul Is it only one week? I think it's two, isn't it? I hope so because I have to write three more papers before then. but I am also very excited about going.

Yes it's a common misperception that I paint actual live chickens. In fact I paint their portraits, so you don't have to worry that I'll turn up at your family egg farm with a can of paint.

do you think we should devise a plan on how to all recognize each other on the plane? perhaps we could have a secret signal or something. will Jon be on the plane too? this is so exciting.

see you in two weeks then jane

P.S. what kind of doctor are you?

Aloha, Jane!

Well, almost only one week. You're right. I'm just trying to move time along a little faster. Believe it or not, I haven't had a vacation in 4 years. I'm just a little over-eager. I'm a radiologist, by the way.

I think I can find you from your photo in your bio, but look for me in a crimson USC Gamecock cap. That's a chicken, by the way, but I suppose you knew that. I think Keelin mentioned Jon's name also. I'll check my mail again.

-Paul

Aloha Paul!

'Tis very kind of you to offer rides to Kalani to our DreamCampmates. I imagine it will be a fun journey for all. Please do check the email I sent though, because you won't find Jon in Hilo -- and you don't want to miss Jason!

As a side note, FYI, we will have in attendance:

Annebelle & Annelise, George & Jorge, Jane & Janine, Jason & Jason, John & Jon, and Paul & Paul, amongst our gathering of oneironauts.

Dream well, new friends! Keelin

Paul, Jane,

Time is a strange thing!

I´ll come with plane from honolulu to hilo in the 8th of may. So if you´re talking about the 9th of may i will hopefully have woken up in kalani that day. If there hasnt been wind challenging my nonexisting tentbuilding-skills offcourse;)

I will arrive in honolulu the 7th of may. Trying to book a hotel at the moment. Despite all the wonders of creditcards and internet payment, i sometimes wonder if using a bottle floating over the see would be just as easy;)

Looking at the namelise i wonder: will we arrive in kalani and meet a near-copy of ourselves? Woudnt that be dreamy!

Aloha all p´s, j´s, g´s, a´s and s and k, jon

Keelin,

Actually, I registered twice so I could have twice as many LD's (hee hee!)

Ok about Jason, thought it was Jon there for a second. This is getting confusing. Or is all this name matching really a clever device of Stephen's to get us all de-selfed?

-Paul

Aloha, Jane!

As you can tell from my posts, I'm equally non-lucid at the moment. Maybe it has to do with the upcoming DreamCamp experience. Lately I've even begun to wonder if I'll ever have another LD. I used to have lots of WILDs, but I called them OBE's. That was before I found out that OBEs are just one kind of LD. However, since I stopped believing in OBEs, I stopped having them. Isn't that strange?

I have high hopes for a real breakthrough in Kalani. Hang in there.

-Paul

Hi, Everyone!

"...when I am confronted with ANYTHING that gets my attention, I ASSUME I AM DREAMING, and look not for something to tell me it's a dream, but rather something to prove to me I am indeed awake."

I just found this statement in an old post from 2002 and was so taken by it I thought I would just throw it up here for others to see. I realize this is what we're all trying to learn, but I never heard it put quite this way.

Aloha!

-Paul

Hi Keelin, thanks for all the mail. I need practice. I'm still not used to reading stuff on a screen so I print it out. Okaaaay. To answer your inquiry about where I am : total freshman. I've had 2 lucid dreams in my life, only one that I remember in detail. My brother just told me to do it to solve a recurring nightmare and I did. It was that easy. A couple of nights ago I had a powerfull dream in which I was conscious in the dream that I could make a good decision or a bad one and I chose the later, knowing full well I would resent it the next day, and have to make apologies that would not really repair the damage. I'm reading the book slowly, but following all the suggestions. That's as far as I am. (I haven't fiqured out how to use spell check in Explorer)

HI, everyone!

Well, here it is the end of the month, and sure enough I had a wonderful LD last night. And Keelin, this was my first totally lucid dream, no tacitness to it.

I was having a dream about a world radiation catastrophe, a real nightmare. People were committing suicide right and left. Awful! Then my SND woke me slightly with the dream alarm. I didn't actually see the cue. As I quickly descended back into sleep, I remembered to think to myself, "The next scene you see will be a dream!"(Practice pays off!) The same dream restarted, so I said "Sorry, world destruction is just not my cup of tea!" And the scene changed to a peaceful cityscape (I'm a city boy at heart). At first things were somewhat cloudy and indistinct. After a brief struggle, I said, "Hey, this is my dream! Shape up!" Everything cleared instantly. I tried to fly but again was having difficulty, and again thought "I don't have to have these problems in my dream!" And off I shot like a B.O.O.H. Then I lost my confidence at about 10,000 feet, like Neo in The Matrix, and started freefalling. Yipes! But I thought "This is my (I was very possessive about this dream. Is this typical?) dream! I don't have to fall!" I hastily constructed a wooden framework in the air and latched onto it as I went by, and then just floated down from there.

It went on for a long time. I won't go into some of it (hee hee!) The main takehome for me, though, was the awe I felt. At times I just stood there, dumbstruck that my pea brain could construct scenes of such breathtaking beauty and detail. I guess we all feel that way; it's why we keep coming back for more.

Also, and this may be "a man thing", I feel that now I can go to dream camp with my head up. Isn't that silly?!

Hang loose!

-Paul

Paul congratulations on your lucid dream! It sounds great. I'm very envious right now! I had a very strange non-lucid experience last night. I dreamed that I was having hallucinations. every time I walked in my front door, I saw my own head hanging in a noose. I didn't get scared because i knew it was a dream-induced hallucination. i was even able to make it go away at will. and yet, I still was not lucid!!!! I knew it was a dream and yet I could not wake up in the dream and achieve the conscious awareness that comes with lucidity. This has become very frustrating that I can actually know I'm dreaming and still not be able to rouse myself into lucidity. Am I just trying too hard because I don't want to be a loser at dreamcamp? anyway, only about 9 days to go! jane

Congratulations, Paul! And indeed, it is a wonder that all that breathtaking beauty lies within each of us -- and within reach.

And worry, not, Jane! We'll be sharing plenty of navigational techniques to get you loose from the noose.

See you next week! Keelin

Congrats Paul, sounded like a nice long one!

And Jane, dont feel like you would be the only one having no lucids, i didnt even remember any dreams the night before last night! Quite a strange feeling... And by the way i speak swedish, english, some deutsh, and with my dog some strange kind of baby language;)

Aloha, Jon

Jane and Jon,

All I can say is, if I can have a lucid dream, anybody can!! It's coming at some cost in time, money (3 NovaDreamers's so far), sweat, and frustration. I've been at it for more than four years, now. It took three years to have my first sort of OBE-LD. It's been like pulling teeth for me. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth it. Then I have one like this, and I know it is.

What seemed to work last night was the combination of a very shallow awakening via my SND, just enough to realize I had been dreaming without really waking up, and remembering to do MILD as I fell back asleep right into the same dream.

Ah, but how to keep making that combination occur, there's the challenge!

Sweet ones

-Paul

Aloha Finally! A lucid dream! It was not extraordinary in its quality, as some are. but I was lucid and flying, interacting with dream characters, etc. And though I remember being very awake and aware, for some reason my memory of actual events is kind of foggy today. I asked another flying person where we were, and the person gave me a clear answer that now I can't remember. I don't know why some lucid dreams are so much more extraordinary than others. But any lucidity is wonderful, and I was so happy to find myself there once again. See you all soon jane

Jane, Aloha!

HOOray! You are so right, there's no such thing as a bad lucid dream! Were you using the mask? Was it a WILD or a DILD? Inquiring minds want to know!

Only 7 more days to camp!

-Paul

Jane, by the way, do you also have LD's more frequently at the first of the month? I definitely do. I've noticed this for some time now, although I have no idea why it happens that way.

-Paul

Congratulations, Jane! This group is obviously not waiting for the retreat to begin. ;)

See you all in a few more dream-filled nights! Keelin

Paul what do you mean Wild or Dild? what does that mean?

I haven't used my nova dreamer in a couple of years. I hope it still works. I better check it out. as for more lucid dreams at beginning of month, I haven't noticed. but it could be related to the full moon, etc. I do know that after my lucid dream last night, I had more energy and got more accomplished than I have in quite a while.

Keelin, This is like one of those reality shows, all these strangers going to a remote island for a metaphysical workshop. except it's a non-reality show. maybe our non-reality show could be the next big thing. can't wait! jane

COMING SOON ... THE NEXT BIG FANTASTIC ISLAND THING: WHO WILL AWAKEN IN THEIR DREAMS ON THE SURREALITY SHOW?

So yes, Jane, strangers going to a remote island to face and overcome the perils of Sleep, question 'reality', and seek The Prize. Neither a 'reality show' nor a 'non-reality' show, but in the spirit of of questioning, let's call it DREAMING AND AWAKENING: THE SURREALITY SHOW. Wait and see. And don't forget to do your reality tests! Not to test whether it's 'reality' or not, but to find out WHICH 'reality' it is...

Aloha Po! Stephen

Aloha, Jane!

Sorry about that. WILD is a wake-induced LD, where you fall asleep right into a lucid dream. I have had most of mine like that, usually right after I first wake up in the morning and decide to sleep in a little longer. DILD is a dream-induced LD, where you become lucid during a non-lucid dream. I've only had one that I remember. Just can't seem to realize I'm dreaming in the middle of a dream, at least not yet. It's what I hope to learn at camp. I read about both in Dr. Laberge's book.

Survivor, Kalani? Cool! Hope I don't have to eat a bug!

-Paul

Paul I've never fallen asleep right into a lucid dream before. I've only woken up in the middle of a dream. which book is that in? I don't think there will be any bug-eating. If you see me eating a bug, you can be sure it's a dream. I'm really ready to be done with this semester and get on with the hawaii adventure. let's hope this week goes by quickly. jane

Jane

The book is "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming", by Dr Laberge et. al. I'm sure there will be copies in Hawaii. I'm bringing my copy. Great book! It's what got me interested in this practice several years ago. Saw an ad in a catalog for the NovaDreamer and the Course in Lucid Dreaming, which included the book. I never would have believed lucid dreaming was really possible if I hadn't read it, since I had never experienced one, that I could remember.

Whew! Only five more days! Tough to stay in the moment!

Remember, If you see me dancing the hula in a grass skirt, YOU'RE DREAMING!

Hi everyone, Greetings from one of the Jasons. ( There's another Jason so u might have to call me Jay) Wow, only a few days left!!! It probably won't hit me til I'm on the plane. This is my first trip to Hawaii and it's also my top choice of places I want to visit! I found a link to the Lucidity Institute site on the web in January of this year while I was on vacation in Mexico. I remember having only 1 lucid dream previously last year. I was running down the street and somehow became lucid, jumped on top of a store and took off flying! I started learning from the site and as soon as I started my dream journal I had my first lucid dream a couple nights later. I programmed myself to look at my hands (by repeating "tonight I will look at my hands in my dream" and sure enough I did which got me lucid for about 10 seconds. Then a couple days later I recorded a hypnosis program and added my own voice to it (i will realize i am dreaming, i will look at my hands) and made it into a loop which i played while I was sleeping. A couple nights after listening to it I became lucid and this time my hands felt like they were frozen, (not cold but heavy) but I gave a voice command to myself "hands up" and it worked, I managed to stay lucid for about a minute by focusing on my hands to stabilize. On the last night of my trip I had another L.D. and this time I looked at my hands and then got my "heavy" body to move by using the voice command. I was in a huge mansion and I wandered around the house, there was a big aquariam and in the basement one huge wall was a video screen of the most amazing sky.. Since then I had one where I was on a bus and I saw a tiny scene of Vancouver (my home-town) that I recognized and I thought that it was odd that seeing that fragment, I just assumed I was in Van. So that woke me up and I remember the people were so real looking, then I went up to a lady and tried to say "I'm dreaming" but my mouth was frozen. But then I tried to use sign language and that unfroze my voice, I said to her " I'm dreaming" and then I woke up. My frequency had slowed down since I started working again but then one day I had a dream where I was in a house and it morphed so that I was now in a hot air balloon. That did it and I jumped off the balloon, started flying and flew over this amazing city futuristic looking but the colors were all lego colors! The vividness was really intense. A couple nights ago I had my first WILD. After listening to a deep-sleep hypnosis program I was flying in my dream and I flew by a tower, I voice-commanded a light to go on, then the tower's color to change to purple pokadots and then a beautiful girl dancing on top of it! I started to lose my lucidity and for the first time did the spinning technique which helped prolong my lucidity! I'm looking forward to meeting everyone and hearing about all your lucid dreaming adventures. See you soon in paradise!!! Jay Storm :>

aloha jason/jay! you have a great last name. I was kind of wondering when the rest of our group would make themselves known. sounds like you're really doing great with the lucid dreaming!

yes only a few more days! It's hard to believe. I'm really excited to meet everyone. your profile doesn't say anything--are you the Canadian in our group? do you have a job, etc? just curious...

jane

Jason, Aloha!

Great dreams! You're a man after my own heart. LD's are FUN! FUN! FUN! I also use tapes and CD's on continuous play at night and have had lots of WILD's and OBE's. I'm bringing an assortment of my favorite recordings with me. Maybe if you bring some of yours, we could try a swap. I have some great relaxation/meditation tapes and a good selection of mind-sync stuff you might like to try.

Are you the Jason who needs a ride to Kalani, arriving on Flight 234 from Honolulu. I'm a designated driver, care of Keelin, if you desire a lift. We can meet up on the plane. Teach me how to spin in a lucid dream, and I won't even charge you for gas!

Merrily, merrily, Paul Sirotta, Member in good standing of The Dream Team

Aloha Jay!

Nice to hear from you, WILD dream!

Interesting to hear that the spinning worked. I´ve never had any success with it... never done it in a dream though.. might have something to do with failing;)

In 2 hours i´m off to a hellflight to heaven, see you soon, all of you. jon

Aloha!

Had another interesting cue incorporation care of my SND last night. I was watching a movie when the film began to flip, as if it had broken. Flip flip flip...it was my SND light flashing. Pretty cool! One more for the list, which also includes lightning flashes, the White House Red Phone flashing, and spikes of light.

If the darn thing would have the decency to look like flashing red lights, maybe I'd recognize it! But probably not.

Counting the hours Paul

Aloha, everyone!

What a great week!

What a long flight home!

I had a false awakening and short lucid dream on the plane going home. I was really tired, reading a novel. I took off my reading glasses to take a nap. I tried to put them in my seat pocket, but there was another pair already there! I was dreaming! I woke up immediately. My glasses were in the seat pocket where I had placed them before falling asleep.

Go figure!

Paul

Alohaaaaaaaaaaa, Dreamers!

How odd is it to be home? There is the suspicious feeling that I've just gone through a rather abrupt scene change, so maybe this is a dream? But alas, having now done the required reality test, I must sadly conclude that our Dreaming & Awakening Retreat has indeed actually come and gone (all too quickly!) so this must be that other realm. That would explain the lack of palm trees, sweet Sea breezes and merry gecko serenades -- and certainly more profoundly -- the absence of those dreamy characters that so recently captured this oneironaut's heart.

On behalf of Stephen, Dominick, and myself, I want to thank you all once again for co-creating the provocative, playful, nurturing and creative dreamscape in which we frolicked over the past ten days and nights -- and for the very cherished memories that linger still.

As Jane and Annabelle would sing: "What do you recall?" ;)

Warm aloha hugs to each and everyone of you. I look forward to seeing you in Dreamland!

Love & Light, Keelin

[The following lucid dream by our beloved DreamCampmate Jane is posted here by her request.]

I was at Kalani, walking out of house 3, when I happened to see Keelin. I don't remember why, but we decided to do a reality test! and lo and behold, it was a dream! The great thing about this dream was that Keelin and I had a very coherent conversation about the fact that this was a dream, and wondered if we would both remember it the same way tomorrow. I forgot to ask her to do some higher math, sorry. but then people started shooting at us, and I said don't worry, it's only a dream so we can't be hurt. I even rubbed my hands together. but then she was hit, and was going to die. I tried to get her to remember it was a dream so she could see they couldn't really hurt her, but she forgot. so i thought to myself, Keelin needs a big honking dream sign. what could it be? I tried to think of the most unlikely thing possible that would happen in real life. so then I had an idea. I would be naked! or partially naked anyway. I figured she would have to know it was a dream if I engaged in public nudity. I don't know if it actually worked, but other people definitely noticed and said they knew it must be a dream. anyway, just thought I would share that very successful lucid dream. successful in many ways, I think.

a very fitting end to dream camp! jane

Aloha to Everyone-

Okay I'm on the forum

Hi Jane!

Thanks for sharing your dream with us -- an excellent example how lucid dreaming can help us work on challenging, personal issues. I especially appreciate your compassionate gesture and can only hope that when that grand moment of transition does occur for me, there will be someone nearby willing to do whatever it takes to remind me that all is illusion.

Warm aloha to all, Keelin

Hi Lee! Are we still in the game? Are you lucid or are you not?

Thanks for the Target du Jour prompt. ;)

Alo aha! Keelin

Lee, Aloha!

Welcome to the forum! Glad you got home safely. So, isn't it great to be back at work, etc. etc.?

I had a short lucid dream on the plane going back, which I posted above. I wasn't really sleeping soundly enough to prolong it, but I did recognize a dream sign. Hooray!

Love and kisses to John.

House for sale: Mother-in-law apartment

-Paul