Beatrice!

I envy you having that many LD, and so sweet. I believe, that your dreamcharacters are so communicative, because you act so tender and friendly. I didn't get it: What was the title of the film you looked?

I wish you even more sweet and lucid dreams

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf! The film I watched was Spirit - Stallion of Cimarron. If it happens again, I let you know. Beatrice

Greetings, Campmates:

Nice to read your posts...

My LD frequency is down a bit with my current work schedule, not much time to sleep in...

I do enjoy your comments, for they bring back such fond memories of the wonderful experience last spring.... Thanks, Ralf, for your persistance and drive......

I have been meditating alot recently, and generally trying to simplify my life.....

Keelin, Alan, Hermine, Beatrice, and others, I hope all is well with for you and wish you many joyful dreaming experiences...

zzzzZZZZZ(Insanity-confusing fantasy with reality, Non-Lucid Dreaming- confusing fantasy with reality) z z z z z Joe

Hi, Joe, old queer fellow. Feels good to know you are still online and listening. Lucidity is one of the ways to simplicity...

Beatrice, I will look the film, if I come across it.

CU then

Yours Ralf

Thanks, Ralf...

Simplicity... Ah,yes... Is there such a thing in this world of materialistic pleasures , compulsions, and overly educated athiests and agnostics?

I must say that my lucid dreams of late have been predominated by sexual urges. I see this as a mixed bag, for I was in the habit of intersting dialog with my dream characters, and find myself in that old rut again, so to say...

Logic would dictate that one who is "godlike" in a tactile world of their imagination may tend not to give a •••• about the feelings directed towards the imaginary people of their dream's creation. Would there be a chance of this selfish behavior affecting one's waking behavior? Real life issues of patience and timing seem to not factor in.....

Though I do feel a sense of ectasy when achieving lucidity, and in the waking hours to follow, I am often melancholy at times for the sense of isolation resulting from this interesting phenomenon.

Sharing these happening with you all is therapy. I have forgotten the comforting feeling I get from reading these posts and responding.

zzzZZZZ("queer has certain connotations in English..not that there is anything wrong with that") z z z z Joe

I'm not old, I'm 37 (really)! from MP's Holy Grail

Hey, hey Joe

Where are you going with that ....

Its been long ago, when I wrote, that I'm so sorry, that I can't joke in English. In German I joke all day... (o.k. half the day) See, I tried it, and what happend!

We had the question: Can we be immoral in dreams? My answer is: Yes, especially, when we are lucid. But I don't see dreams as being the same as waking life. If I really want to have sex with a dreamcharacter in a lucid dream, I would do it. I wouldn't judge someone, who searches pleasures in dreams. But if this person wouldn't use dreams to improve his life, his relations, I would say: What a waste. There are often moments of intimacy in (lucid) dreams, that surmount my waking experiences. I think, that is what people, who don't remember dreams maybe don't understand. And I'm not telling my spouse of all my emotions in dreams. But I search them, I search these high emotions and I find them in our love. I believe, regardless whether in dreams or waking life, that everything you do to others you do to yourself. So, being tender and maybe having sex is a very pleasurable way to create "good" Karma. Sharing is good!

Tender and loving lucids to all

Yours Ralf

P.S. If you are 37, I'm old, too.

Hi! Nice to hear from you!

I had a LD today that was different from the others. I don't know how I became lucid. I was in a house and started to pass trough the walls. I didn't felt any collision like I use to feel. Usually I have to put some effort to cross it, but this time I felt nothing there. I though is that a LD or what? ! Then I had a false awake when I was telling some friends about the dream, after that another dream with my mother talking about my grand mother's funeral.

There are so many variation on the LD elements. In real life I am working on putting collision in a human 3Dmodel in the computer. Maybe the new variation came from there.

Beatrice

Hi, Beatrice

Indeed it seems, that your dreams are very inspired by your computer - graphics -work.

False awakening seems to be a habit: "Oh, I'm awake. But that can't be in a dream. So let us create a waking - like situation." And there it is.

I had a small lucid scene yesterday. I'm working with MILD these days. I was thinking how it would be to enter and to be in contact with virtual or astral persons in these lucid crossroads. Then the scene appeared, then I found two costumes in a case. I looked at one and in the same instant was in it. I took some steps. Felt strange. This is when it dawned on me, that I'm actually dreaming. Immediately I began to rub hands. The scene faded, I felt physical body again, but was able to get my dream - arms more free by rubbing. Then I focused on moving tongue and feet, too. That seemed too much for one time. My sense of dreambody faded and I found myself entirely "physical" again. Today I couldn't go on, because water has broken through the ceiling. The water drops make music in the buckets... We have heavy rain and storm here in Middle Europe. Seems that the climate change takes place...

Thanks for sharing dreams.

P.S. here is the web address of lucid crossroads:

http://mysite.freeserve.com/LucidCrossroads/Lucidhomepage.htm

Hi Ralf,Beatrice,Joe, Alan and others, I was in Kleve,Germany(Schloss Gnadenthal) and had another weekend with Wolfgang Konighaus from the Bert Hellinger "Familienafstellungen" I went with my sister Ria for the first time. Interesting, she was one of the first sisters who did a Voice Dialogue Summercamp with me in Bergen in 1992 and now the first sister to join me in this type of work,she works with dreams too. She is studying Theology in her last year now. I am glad my sisters have the same interests. It's in the familyline of my mother, I believe so! In one of the four dreams of last night, I came down skiing from a mountain, but I was also laying in the mountain in a kind of hole(space) and a teacher (who I know from my Hypnosis course I have done last year and who is also a member of my Deepak Chopra group,we read his books together and do the exercises once a month.)He went into the water in a diving outfit from time to time I noticed this and then I left the hole/space because the water came higher and higher and I wanted to be in a safer place. I turned myself to watch the sunset.Then I saw an opening in the mountain and I noticed some rubberboats.(A few years ago I dreamt about rubberboats too, who were thrown of the mountain that time and which were for transportto enter a cave at the bottom of the mountain,where I entered and when I looked in the mirror I saw a Japanese woman combing her hair.)Suddenly the man was not my teacher from the hypnosis course but a man,colleague of my work, (I dreamt about him and intimacy with him ,the first night when I was in Boston)I saw children around us and a bear,who picked up one of the children,it looked like a real bear and Kees wanted to protect the children. Then I saw it was an imitation of a bear and the children had not been in real danger, it was a play of the person in bear cloths,although Kees ,the man thought he needed to protect the children. All went well. Another dream(short) was with the text "Where do I belong?" The last dream was about my healing camp with Fawn Journey Hawk.What would happen in the future? (a month ago,she asked me to dream about a new place ,another than the one in Carson City, in Nevada.I believe I told you all the dream about Mount Shasta, when I came skiing down from this mountain in search of bullet free cloths and at the end I didn't need these bulletfre cloths because it was a safe place to be at!. The new place she choose is South West Oregon, in O'brien near the ocean and north from Mount Shasta in California. I have to arrange my travel, but if possible, I am going the first three months of the coming year to work with her with Vietnam veterans. I think the first two dreams had to do with my weekend in Germany, the last two short dreams with my project in the healingcamp in Oregon.

Lucidity gaves me a lot of freedom to image where I am going or what I might do in my imagination. Last week I dreamt about the dotted line between California and Oregon as if I could see the place and the location from the dream. I had no intend to do that before the dream , but it comes to the mind and then I am looking what's there for me. I wonder how a "genius" the mind (genius loci)can be to show us things in advance...... Maybe I am like a "vagabond" and need to find my place. As I can be in a boat in my dreams and crossing the waters or flying above countries and seeing cities from different countries, even when I have not been there before. I wonder where I will land in the near future? Hermine

Dear Hermine

Hope you'll land in Copenhagen. Signs seem to say, that I'm coming. too. I, too enjoy that I have some "spooky" relatives, i.e. my mother and my sister, caring for dreams and healing and related subjects. It feels good not to stand alone in the family. Did I tell you, that I once used a kind of "visualised" Familienaufstellung to work on a dream? I found it very interesting. As if the simple positions of people in space would have a deep emotional impact and would forward some intellectual insights, too. The spatial relations may be an easy way to represent the psychical. But that is not all. How different do I feel, when my beloved one is close or far away... I see that dreaming in general and lucid dreaming especially has a great and good impact on my life. I can imagine, that this is even more the case for intensive dreamworkers as you are.

I do believe there is a genius, who not only shows us things, but maybe guides us, without us being aware.

May all your voyages be lucid

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

Yes , I planned Copenhagen from teh 16th to the 19th of August, I hope to meet you too, did Olaf sendyou some of his information? I will be in France and share the Maui group after next Wednesday again. Fountain like dreaming...... Hermine

Aloha, Dear Maui Campmates -- and all others who may drop into this topic folder,

Joe and Ralf: Thank you for sharing your comments about dream sex. Naturally, I am now reminded of one particular lucid dream I had during our retreat in Maui.

It was on the night that Stephen had shared one of his transcendent lucid dreams -- the one in which he decided to pass on the opportunity to pick up an attractive hitchhiker because he'd had that experience before and chose instead to seek his highest potential.

It was also the night that the evening's discussion had addressed nightmare resolution. You may recall the cartoon with the caption making reference to a certain giant, hideous insect -- in need of help.

It was also the night that, during the evening's session, I'd shared with you all my own most memorable lucid dream of transcendence.

And so, thus inspired, I later found myself lucid in a dream and thinking: Ah! I can have a dream of transcendence! But...I've already had that experience. And oh, there's a dream character over there. And yes, it is an attractive hitchhiker -- but it just might be an attractive hitchhiker in need of help! ;)

I agree whole-heartedly with Ralf that dreams (lucid or non) in which we explore the realms of sexual interaction with our dream characters offer great opportunities to grow in tenderness and in the understanding of both the giving and the receiving of great pleasures.

Sweet, wild dreams to all, Keelin

Keelin,

thanks for sharing dreams again. I did already miss your winking smiles..

May your days be like your dreams, sweet and tender

Yours Ralf

Hi Keelin, Ralf, Hermine and all. I had a LD this morning, I wasn't expecting because I had a lot of children (my nieces) around making noise and waking me up. I even though last night that if I had that always it would be very hard to achieve lucidity. In this morning the little one waked me up and when I get to sleep again I had a LD.

I was in a house with a lot of people in it. This time I decided to look for a guide. I started to ask group of people if there were any guide who wants to talk with me. Some answered me no and others just ignored me. I kept on going when I saw a very different man. He had a birth mark a dark spot on his left eye. He painted some curved shapes on the left side of his face starting on the mark and going all the way down to his chin. The shapes were yellow and blue, I don't remember if there were any more colors. He had a feather going down his forehead point down to the left. It was a very nice body art. He didn't look like Indian. I couldn't identify where is he from. I started talking with him and he said, " You are ". I don't know if he were talking about the guide or he meant that I am doing fine with my "I am". Good question. Sweet dreams Beatrice

Beatrice

Fine to see your lines. I think you are really "being" fine. I f it were my dream, I'd ask myself who it is to say: "You are". I mean that in the sense, that you have the "right" to say to your dreamcharacters: "You are." But in this dream it is the other way round. Maybe the guide wants to say: "You are real for me. You are there. I acknowledge your existence." And that would be step forward, I guess. For as you have experienced earlier in the dream, not all parts of you do acknowledge your being or your goals.

I'm curious for your next LDs

BTW disturbed sleep is interrupted sleep. That makes LD more likely (if it doesn't lead to sleep deficit). Children are sometimes helpful in this. I thank some LDs to "interruptions" by my son.

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

Thanks for bringing me another point of view for this " You are" . This morning I had another LD. As soon as I started the dream I know I was dreaming somehow. Then I asked for a doctor. A woman doctor show up very quickly and the scene had change very fast to a place where were doctor´s tools. (In real life I have been going to a lot of doctors to see what they thing about a deseas that is not relevant here and not so bad too, but each one had a different opinion.) So this new doctor in my dream look in my body with strange objects and she said she was angry with me because I am delaing to make a decision. I asked her what to do and she said some very strange long words. The dream start to fade and I remembered not to stop talking with her to make it last longer and as soon as I start talking the scene became brighter. I asked her if I do a procedure, that I have been in doubt, if it would work in real life. She said yes, that I should do it. Then the examination was over, also the dream.

Sweet dreams Beatrice

Hi, Beatrice

Hope that dream will be helpful for you. And I'm glad, that you liked my "interpretation".

Keep us updated on how things worked oput with the doctors.

CU later

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

I just cam back from Mers sur Indre near Chateauroux , sud de Orleans en France. I read your name in the email of Olaf, he mentioned you were coming from the Netherlands. Welcome to you ! I hope to meet you in Copenhagen soon, next time more,

Hermine

Hermine!

Thanks for your welcome! It is good to know, that someone cares for me, unless I wouldn't know where I belong, as you see. It is strange, that I didn't RC in this case... hm. Maybe I have been dreaming. Maybe I'm dreaming now. won onw ok the letters are changing, like I want them to. Must be the waking thing. Musn't it?

CU then

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

I see you this weekend in Copenhagen, did Olaf send his address Olaf Gerlach Hansen Steenstrups Alle 9 3th 1924 Frederiksberg Copenhagen tel 45 35361203 I will arrive on Friday and I am leaving on Monday around 6 o'clock There will be a dreamtime Cyberdreaming between the 15th of August and the 22th of August. to see ASD will become ? so future visions for ASD or future visions for whatever will come up this week, all of us can participate this week.

Love Hermine

Hermine

I did receive all the data. I'll arrive on Friday, too and stay until Sunday or Monday.

Looking forward to meeting you there

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf

Good to get your message, Olaf didn't send the final information but I'll have my mobile with me and Olaf has the number in case you want to reach me.

See you,

Hermine

What a flood of water in Dresden and Prague,Iran, China, and all the Oregon fires, hopefully nature will return to normal circumstances in the world.

Hello everyone!

Since I discovered this forum I've been reading a lot of you all, and I have to say: Interesting topics and very open hearted users =) Nice to meet you all!

Yours,

Natalie

Hey, Natalie!

Schön, dich hier zu sehen! Willkommen im Lucidity Institute Forum! Wir sind ja alle Erdenbürger, aber Landsleute trifft man hier sehr selten.

You are right. There are a lot of interesting discussions. And compared to other public discussion groups we are open hearted here.

Looking forward to interesting discussions with you, too. Please tell us how you come to lucid dreaming. And maybe, once you have the time, post your first LD.

CU later and dream lucid

Visit my website, find dream reports, a report of the Maui DreamCamp of the Lucidity Institute in 2001, links, and some other personal pictured stories http://home.t-online.de/home/Ralf.Penderak/index.htm

Get lucid!

Hermine, I talked to Olaf, now. And re - read the posting on ASD

The floods in Europe and all over the world are signs of climate change, higher temperature. It is actually taking place. We had water coming through our ceiling some weeks ago, due to hard raining. In the eighties I thought a lot on the ecological problems and prophecies. But I have never been political active. Now I ask myself, if that was wrong. But I still think, that caring for the "inner" ecology, for heart and mind and for positive relations is a kind of "environment" change, too. What we do here and I think what everybody, who cares for dreams, does is to forward the inner values, inner growth. And I think, that this is at least a kind of small counterweight to the worship of economical growth all over the world. And I don't exclude myself, I'm taking part and being part in this economical system, too. In my eyes revaluating spirituality and related realms is important for overcoming the current crises.

CU tomorrow

Ralf

Hallo Ralf!

Dankeschön für den netten Empfang =) Ich hab schon gesehen, du kommst aus Lübeck... Ich sitze hier gerade in München und tippe vor mich hin

How did I come to lucid dreams?

Hmmm.... I dont exactly remember... I think somebody told me about it - a really enthusiastic classmate of mine. That was about half a year ago now. It caught my attention because at this time I remembered that I once have had such a dream when I was about 4 years old. Its almost the only thing I remember from that time when I was aged 4.. Maybe because it had caused a fear of being unable to wake up. (After I noticed I was dreaming I called my mum. But I knew she couldn't hear me, so I started stomping and crying to make me wake up... but I only was able to, after a while).

By remembering this, I immediatly was fascinated by the subject of lucid dreaming. 2 weeks after I was told that there existed something like lucid dreaming I - again - had a "first" lucid dream after 13 years. But probably I will post it in the section for first LD's =)

Thanks for listening and a wonderful day,

Natalie

PS: Keelin, could you help me with my picture upload? It just won't let me upload neither jpegs nor gifs with a maximum size of 6 kb... I'd say, there's something fishy about it... What would you say?

Hi Natalie,

Welcome to the Forum! We look forward to seeing you here, so please send your image to me at the eddress below and I'll see what can be done about linking it with your profile.

By the way, how fishy is it? ;)

Time for a reality check! Keelin p.keelin@ix.netcom.com

Hi All,

Hope to send dreams with Ralf in Copenhagen, we can make an intend to do so on Saturdayevening! Find a way to be in the energy of European senders. The unconscious fishing waters/streams. or high in the sky of clear images and windy skylights/highlights. Hope to meet you soon.! Hermine

Hi, fellow Maui dreamers!

Hermine and me actually DID send something to you during our Copenhagen meeting. It was Saturday close to midnight GMT, then Sunday in the early afternoon. Wonder if you had something unusual in your dreams. I will not write any other details, maybe later on.

I saw you all in my imagination and it still felt fine to recall your faces

CU later

Yours Ralf

Hi, Natalie!

Thanks for posting on how you got here.

I'm over and over surprised about the impact, that the pure knowledge of the "existence" of lucid dreaming can have. I've heard of so many people having their first LD soon after their discovery without any more efforts. I wonder which factors drive them to recognise the dreamstate in these cases and what we can learn from that. I know that expectation and motivation play a great role in getting lucid. But what is so special about this initiating situation, which cannot with the same ease be replicated later on? Or: If getting lucid is that easy, why don't we keep on doing it naturally, all the time?

There are still basic questions...

Dream lucid!

Yours Ralf

Hi Ralf,

I wonder if any Mauii dreamers dreamed about the "blue planet" the meridians and all the colours we send into the air, a mandela telepathic dream! Europe is far away to all of you, but we were with you and the symbolic meaning of our sending! Copenhagen was full of music with Ralf and Aad guitarplayers and the others,Olaf,his girlfriennd, the European team ,Kirsten,Gordon, Hille, Gunnar from Swedwn and Denmark. Visiting Christiana on Sunday and dinner time there was special and at their home(where Olaf lives on Saturdaynight ,too) Robert van de Castle has been in Copenhagen before and the place for 2004 will be excellent. I hope many of you will come or register in advance to make it happen! Love Hermine

Hi Hermine and all.

I dreamed about the blue planet the day I read the post, 23rd. I had read it and didn't think more about it because I supposed I should have had the dream before that. In the next morning I had a LD where I was seeing the "blue planet". It was all blue with white cloudy wings around. It was so beautiful! I was sleeping in the living room and I "saw" a friend coming near by me. I though that I could talk with him telling about what I was dreaming without waking up, like when you talk while you are sleeping. I was describing how the planet was, like describing a painting.

When I waked up I was anxious to ask him if he had been near the coach and had listened to something. He said that he had been there and I had my head all covered with a blanked. He didn't listened to anything though.

I must have moved my dream mouth while talking. Does anyone know if it is possible to talk consciously while you are in a LD?

LD to all

Beatrice

Aloha, Beatrice!

In response to your question: "Does anyone know if it is possible to talk consciously while you are in a LD?"

If you're referring to the physical body talking out loud during a lucid dream, sleep paralysis would effectively prevent this -- fortunately! As you can imagine, certain night prowlers (lions & tigers & bears...) with a case of the mid-night munchies, would prefer our biological ancestors had not developed this strategic survival mechanism. But I'm sure you'll agree, there's a definite advantage to keeping nocturnal predators (humans included) in the quiet dark.

Wouldn't it be grand though, to be able to communicate in some fashion exactly what's happening as a dream unfolds, a printed copy ready for review in the brightness of morn?

Sweet (Silent) Lucidity, Keelin

Hi Keelin

For one moment, in my LD, I thought I had made a different output from a dream. It was a very beautiful LD anyway.

Thank you much for your answer. It has been very nice to have you, Ralf, Hermine and all the others "around".

Beatrice

Hi Keelin, Beatrice and All:

I like your reference to the lions with midnight munchies.

This reminds me of SLB's popular prefix to our questions, being "Well, as monkey's sleeping in trees ..."

In terms of the real time communications out od LD's, is this not possible with conscious eye movements. The notion has occured to me while in a LD, and I have attempted it, albeit without probes on the eyes to interpret my messages.

I recall reading of SLB's suggestion, upon realizing how sleep paralysis did not affect one's eyes, to the early onieronauts to signal out of the dream, and then developing a code of eye movements signifying letters of the alphabet...

left left for "A" left right for "B" and so on

zzzzZZZ( left left right left left right right right...l...r...l....) z z z z Joe

(translation: sorry to not contribute more often)

Aloha, Dear Joe,

Good to hear from you!

What you may be recalling is a mix of the information Stephen presented during the retreat on the history of his research in lucid dreaming. While signalling with the eyes is used to record the subject's acknowledgment of lucidity (a direct communication), it would be rather exhausting to attempt sending more that a simple response in this manner. You may also be remembering the data from an early experiment in the lab in which Stephen (as subject) sent a message in morse code via the clenching his hands to which electrodes had been taped.

...'.--'.'.'-'/ '-..'.-.'.'.-'--'..., Keelin

Hi, dreamers!

The funny thing is, that I had a short LD the last morning in hospital. I woke at 430, read some pages, then went back to sleep. I dreamed of my deceased grandma's house, got lucid but my mind wasn't that clear. Thinking about what to do I decided to cry out as loud as I could "I AM DREAMING!!!!!". I heard it quite loud in the dream, but simultaneously perceived my physical body - just whispering the words. So I think, that on the border to waking up, one could really cry out (whisper) messages from the dreamworld. And the tigers and co - patients didn't devour me. But I suspect, that the physiological measurements would have shown in my case, that brain and body were very close to waking state. And I did wake up during shouting. But it would certainly be funny to do some experiments with LD and shouting / whispering. Maybe there have been some tries in this.

Sweet dreams till sunbeam finds you...

Greetings, Deamers:

I have been thinking and meditating on the notion of "humility" recently.

I recieved an inspirational note on a e-mail list that defined humility as understanding and being comfortable with one's relationship with God and others.

The first part of this has not been easy.

Believing that there is a power greater than ourselves (having faith) is elusive at times.

The reason I am bringing up such a topic is that I am exploring a sense of conflict that needs resolution.

Spending time in an imaginary world where I am "GOD" no doubt has effected my ego.

I feel am truely fortunate to be cognizant of knowing when I am awake (and not dreaming), in order to observe phyical barriers and restrictions in waking life(i.e. not jump off a building thinking I can fly). The contrary would be insanity.

Further, I am blessed with the ability to occasionally know I am asleep, and able to explore the absense of such physical barriers.

The dilema arises from developing certain thought processes and attitudes in one realm that affect behavior in the other. On the surface, simply questioning reality is one innocent example of this. Treating people in waking life as mere objects, ignoring their needs and emotions, is a more substantial problem.

Anyone ever struggled with this?

zzzzZZ(Ralf: In space (or in dreams) no one can hear you scream) z z z z Joe

Joe,

You wrote: "Treating people in waking life as mere objects, ignoring their needs and emotions, is a more substantial problem. "

My friend, you start to feel the truth behind the reality of the waking world. It's starting to collapse at the very moment you start questioning it. Is it real? Do I make it to be real?

Maybe you start to realise that now you can choose how to respond to people's needs or things that happen around you with more control and less feeling. You've starting to be less compulsive and control your feelings better making you indifferent to many things that would trouble you before. Is it a bad thing to have less worries? I believe that now, when something serious happens, you will be able to tackle it more effectively using your intelect without letting your feelings get in the way which you otherwise make the situation unmanagable.

It's happening to me as well. I believe it's the same with lots of other people. But why do you call it a problem?

Nicolas

Hi Dreamers!

It is wonderful to read all your posts and know that everyone is experiencing a rich and lucid dream life.

I don't come by as often as I'd like only because I haven't had any awoken dreams to offer. But I wanted to respond to a couple of things that have come up.

Beatrice - I just met someone who used to wake up in the middle of the night and record her dreams into a hand-held tape recorder. She was a very vivid dreamer. Eventually, this practice became such a habit for that she began to skip the step of actually waking up and started to recount her dream experiences in the moment that they happened, while she slept. Her boyfriend reported her language to be quite clear and cognicent. As you can imagine it made everyone crazy after a while. But I am guessing this isn't so different from sleep-talking, except that it is intentional?

Joe - the subject you bring up is quite interesting. I wonder if the realisation that you are "god" in your dreams may preceed the realisation that so is everyone else. We are just a holographic sliver of the One Mind that joins us all in the grand unity of things, like fish in a school. There is a great line in the film Waking Life where Speed Levitch says, "...as one realizes that one is a dream figure in another person's dream....that is self-awareness!". If that isn't humbling, I don't know what is

Much love, Toko-pa

www.herownroom.com

Hi, lucid friends

Another two days in Maui DreamCamp paradise. Now available for free on my website

Visit my website, find dream reports, a report of the Maui DreamCamp of the Lucidity Institute in 2001, links, and some other personal pictured stories http://home.t-online.de/home/Ralf.Penderak/index.htm

Get lucid!

CU there

Thanks, Ralf, for bringing these fond memories back to the forefront of my brain...

I found your mention of "going crazy" so contrary to my actual memory of you, sitting in contemplative late night discussions (often with alan )in the gazebo on the hill...

zzzzZZZ(Who was it that told me soccer is so much safer than football?) z z z Joe

Hey Joe!

Fine you enjoyed the update.

You are certainly right. "Crazy" depends on the observer... In this case I observed myself. And did very enjoy the woo - woo defining discussions with Alan. Hope he's fine these days.

Rubrubrubrubrubrubrub (try to stabilise the dream) rubrubrubrubrubrub (must have been someone wanting more breaks hehehe) rubrub rubrub (no devious thoughts, please) rubrub rubrub ralfralfralf

Ralf,

That was such a great trip down memory lane - some funny photos in there too! All those moments of you and your "genuis butterflying" came back to me. Caught so many times...but with one satisfying delivery back to you on the Iao Needle

The footage from our group-waterslide-experience was the best though...maybe one day Robert will resurface with it and we can all have a good laugh. I seem to remember someone lost their shorts...or did I dream that?

Your photo of the Bird of Paradise is truly beautiful -- good one! And it's true that Keelin makes the sun shine! She really does.

Muchwhat love,

Toko-pa

Aloha, Maui Dreammates!

A special thanks to you, dear Ralf, for all the fond feelings and sweet memories you stir up with your Maui DreamCamp visuals and ongoing report.

And, Toko-dear! If I bring the Sun and you the Mist... ah, then we shall have a rainbow!

I think I'm hearing that song again... oh yes, and there are all the dreamers dancing...

Abundant Aloha to all, Keelin

Tee-hee

We were pretty cute with that song, dancing around, filled with joy and silliness. On the way to the airport, we made Robert play it over and over.. as if we could make it all last a little longer. Now all it takes is the first few strums of that ukelele, & I am lucidly transported back to our magical maui memories.

Dearest Keelin, what a combination indeed! I'll never forget you emerging from the waves on our last day, looking absolutely invigorated by the sea. How she had her way with us all! I'm sure she must have swallowed the sand bank where our group-created, Polynesian mermaid lay.

The rainbow is quite something, isn't it? I have been thinking lately that there exists a spectrum of possibilities within every moment, and it is our choice as to which color(s) we see.

Last night I dream I am in the Cliffs of Dover, or somewhere in the Highlands. There is a breathtaking view of towering, pillar-like cliffs that stand out of the sea.

Love, Toko-pa

http://www.herownroom.com

A warm aloha & a quick question for all of our Dreaming & Awakening Retreat Alumni:

Are there any among you who post to such groups as alt.dreams, alt.dreams.lucid, and/or alt.obe on a regular basis? If so, please contact me -- as soon as possible. ;)

Mahalo & Sweet, tropical dreams! Keelin

Hi, fellow DreamCampers

I'm "back" from the psiberdreaming conference. I say: "Wow!!!!!!" Details later. BTW: I made it #3 in the precognitive contest!

Keelin: I mailed you.

Toko: Yes, I still enjoy the sweet memories. It is over and over fun and delightful to work on the report, once I have the time. Has anybody photos of the waterslide action? I have none. Would like to include this, was certainly one of the highlights!!

Joe (in the lucid.tv thread) zzzz(Ralf: I am "feeling" a dark gemstone, onyx?)

So you felt around in my kitchen, in my refrigerator, beneath my Foster's!!!!!

Dark: It must have been dark, because light is out when door is shut. (Hmm, actually I never proved that...)

Gemstone:

By Joseph A. Schaljo (Joe) (ip78.88.215.168.in-addr.arpa - 168.215.88.78) on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 11:14 am: "Why dont you write the name of a common gemstone on a slip of paper and put it in your freezer. I will attempt to read it."

Imagine, the sheet lay there waiting for you, more than a year. And now it lies before me and says

TOPAZ

I think, this was really a long term study... You may know: Instant feedback increases hitrate.

You wrote in Aug 2001:

"I dig the ESP stuff, and appologize for not partaking in the shared experience. Being on the opposite side of the world does pose logistical problems in terms of circadian rhythms. Though an engineer and scientist, I am becoming more open minded, really."

Is trying our (long - term) experiment a sign of getting more open? That would be fine in my eyes. I think it is rewarding to open up for psi and its implications.

ZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZZ (I'm glad, that you did it, really) Z Z Z Z Z

(CU later)

z z z z

Greetings, Dreamers:

Your comment reminded me of a joke, Ralf...

...A elderly group of retirees sat around a card table playing bridge...One gentleman spoke up ..."God sure helps me out every night. He turns the light on for me when I open the door to the bathroom stall." Upon hearing this, a gray haired grandmother interjected.."That's not the bathroom stall, that's the REFRIGERATOR!"...

Ralf, we are anxiously awaiting your report from your trip! I hope your injuries are mending. Do you care to comment on how your professional training has affected your personal recovory?

zzzzZZZ( "Now I know the sound of one hand clapping!" Baba Ram Dass after the paralysis of one of his arms) z z z Joe

Hi Maui dreamers,

Happy to hear you again in the realistic dreamworld. Ralf I got your wonderful music book with the 400 songs in my mailbox, thanks a lot. Copenhagen was fun, I 'll send you my pictures soon. Jambe playing on a meteorite in front of the geological museum. Christiana park and our tour through the city. I was in Oslo and Germany Kleve and I am back home to do my job and practice again. My dreams are pieces of all different contents, hard to tell how I get lucid these days. I remember the dreams but don't wake up quite often during a dream, I realize I am dreaming but I don't guide my dreams in another direction, just experience what is there for me. I dream about my family, ex husband,a niece which whom I was in highschool, my friend/colleague, colleagues from my job , my youngest son who left to the city of Nijmegen and studies at the University Law and Management. I dream about moneyissues, animals all different subjects during one night. Last night I dreamt about jewelry, 3 kinds, a combination of 2 is "apart" in my opinion, the other person asks "separate" I say "No" it's "exclusive " and "special", right now I think of you Tokopa, because you wrote me an email about "jewelry"! The last piece of this morning was about a building where I wanted to do my private practice and as a matter of fact I am looking around in Amsterdam to start a practice there in stead of Amersfoort. The first dream last night was about the townhallmuseum and I was washing my hands near a wall of grindstones with the letters"townhall museum " on it, no real connection about which townhall museum. I have to register at the townhall of Amsterdam indeed, because I am still registered here in Amersfoort in the townhall as an inhabitant in this town.

Okay so far, I hope we are all doing well in dreamland and get some collective energy teh coming days to reconnect in our dreams and discover where we belong all over the world. Tokopa, Wales with cliffs and sea, Ralf with psi dreaming near the stones and Joe near his songs and divine energy, Beatrice in artland and Keelin in California as near to our home in Maui, I am interested how Stephen is doing does anyone know something about him right now, maybe you Keelin, let us know soem more if you do !

Love to you all, Hermine