Peter,

I've used this quirky spelling of my name (from the American perspective) many times to my advantage ;)

I will attempt to post to this board from my dreams. I know how this could be done. I will pre-record a video message (viewable on all connections and without a special plug in or viewer). I will have a computer respond to a certain eye signal from within my REM periods. When the eye sequence is achieved the computer will carry out instructions such as post the url of the video ;)

Now, think I can post different messages according to different visuals?

The only problem is I'm still a few years away from being mastered enough to be lucid often and for long enough. Anybody want to donate time to a sleep lab to pull of this type of post? Evil Kneivels of the dream world, speak up! hehhehehhehe

Dear Michel,

What do you mean you are "still a few years away from being mastered enough to be lucid often and for long enough"? Here is a new affirmation for you: "I am ready NOW!" ;)

And yes (in response to your earlier question under the retreat topic) dream characters are indeed permitted, and in fact highly encouraged, to post to the Forum. After all, when you achieve posting directly from the dream world, who do you think will be sending the message? Who is dreaming the dreamer?

Just another dream character, Keeelin

Michel,

A few years? Dude, you KNOW you'll be twitching that eyeball in just the right pattern in no time. Have faith.

Peter

Thanks Peter, Mahalo Keelin Mahalo Peter, Thanks Keelin

If dream characters can post to the forums as well, I anxiously await something from dream twins sextraordinaire, Kealoha and Kalani. Chances are, I'll be as surprised as you. I haven't seen them for several days. Kids on spring break aren't ld-friendly, believe me.

Thea, I would be more surprised than you.

I'd of course quickly welcome them both to the board!

Aloha, Thea!

We are never more than a dream away...

Yours furever, Kealoha and Kalani

Welcome, K and K! Please post your e-mail address on your profile so Thea can contact you.

Kealoha and Kalani,

Bienvenue! Welcome! Aloha!

Why the blank pages in your profile? I'd just love to hear an audio file with your sultry and furry voices!

Thea,

By the way, Kealoha and Kalani seemed to have used a computer close to where Keelin lives.

Keelin, are the guys hangin around your place?

By keelin (Keelin) (166.90.36.19) By KandK (Kealohandkalani) (166.90.45.168)

What a coincidence -- and don't I wish! After all, Thea did offer to share. ;) BTW, is anyone doing a reality check?

Love, Keleni

Well, now, I'm rolling in fur. When K&K said they were mine furever, I felt a whole room of Persian fur grow up around and enfold me. As I write, my hands face and forehead and everywhere else is being exquisitely tortured with feathers and furs. Aw, thattie thee!! Giggle, gurgle, and purrrrr. I reached out for the cat and petted him too. The world is now a powder puffin' pettin' place. And no, I'm not doing no reality check. I don't want to find out I'm not dreaming. All my love, my adorable ones, Oh yeah, what's this about sharing? I didn't say I'd share, actually, did I? At least, it's not in writing ... LOL

Thea,

I'll share my dream characters if you share yours! ;)

Aloha, Thea!

Your twins stopped by yesterday in search of you. They came floating in through my studio window on a sweet, tropical breeze. Said they were in the midst of a promising mutual lucid dream when Kealoha noticed it was beginning to fade. He grabbed his brother's hands and began the spinning, but they got a wee bit disoriented. Seems every time Kalani checked the compass, it read differently. ("Duh!" they acknowledged in typical unison.) Being a graphic cartographer by day, I sometimes know which way is up, so pointed them in a westwardly direction and sent them off with a bottle of Napa Valley's finest grape juice. (They tell me there's no corkage fee at the dream bar where they're hoping to meet up with you.)

Last I saw, they were like a couple of brilliant, binary stars spinning off in the direction of the sunset. Should be dropping into your dreamworld any moment now.

Warm Cheers! Keelin

PS: And as Joni Mitchell might have said: Let's have another round for those wild oneironauts who keep me in this dreamy town.

Greeting Onerionauts,

Below is a favorite lucid dream from years ago that I felt inspired to share recently (with June Lemos as we conversed over breakfast at Kalani) on the extraordinary experience of liminal moments. (A liminal moment being defined here as one in which sensory capacity has been reached).

... We walk past shadowed steps of stone. I think it would be lovely to sit and talk, here in the narrow coolness of them, but we wander on until we are standing, wrapped in embrace, a long, long time. A whiff of the Sea urges me to whisper, "Your scent is of the Sea." I breathe in deeply, and then we kiss. The texture of his tongue is oddly rough, and this brings lucidity. The awareness delights my heart, as we remain entwined in an exquisite moment of stillness. I'm not certain why this is so, but the stillness I feel has something to do with how an ordinary moment becomes liminal...

Last night, while awaiting a return to dreaming, I thought once again of this dream and also of Joy Fatooh's beautiful and touching poem "Make love with everything you find/sleeping or awake" (posted under the Kalani dreamers topic). I'm sharing this dream again here because I'm curious to know how others feel/think about how we might foster such liminal moments in both dreaming and waking. This morning, I read Joy's dream in which she practiced small acts of compassion. That idea seems to be right on target.

Any thoughts or similar experiences?

Still, Keelin

Hey, Jeff, Thea here. I just read your message about patterns in LD frequency. From my reading I understand belief/expectation is a big factor. I don't have any pattern to my LD's, except one: not often enough. Lucidly, Thea

Expectation......

Stephen has suggested some time ago on the forum that clusters of LDs could be explained in part by the assumption that increased expectation with increased success will prolong the cluster, whereas a dry spell will similarly prolong itself as confidence erodes.

In the last 6 months my LDing has seemed to fall into a pattern......

I will have a cluster of say 6-8 LDs in as many days followed by a dry spell of 1-2 weeks. Dudring the cluster I might have some dry days interspersed with multiple LD days.

Unfortunately I just cannot identify any external factor to explain this.

At the end of my cluster I am supremely confident that I will be able to have LDs at will now - I think I've finally cracked it! I feel elated but very very tired. I try MILD with great vigour. Then 2,3 days pass and no LD, I feel down and RCing becomes a drag. I'm irritated with myself and wonder if all the effort is worth it. After a week I calm down and rationalise. I begin to enjoy RCing again and tell myself that I'll soon have success again. Perhaps I stop MILD but record my dreams...then another cluster starts.

Lucid dream or not...??

Recently I've I had some strange dreams that are not easy to categorise.....

I'm in an NLD. I become "aware" and it occurs to me that though awake (though this might not be explicit) I can do lucid dream tasks. Then I fly, stick my hand in solid objects, read writing that changes and so on....I'm extremely excited that I have discovered how to do LD tasks at will at any time.

Typically, my critical faculties are not alert enough to work it out......BUT, what is there to work out! If I did discover the secret to do these things while awake, could I easily prove I was dreaming.

This false awakening occured to me recently at the end of an LD,

".....I wake up in bed and try hard to remember all the details of the LD. I look at the room which is quite light and see the door open. Two male figures, one short and stocky the other tall and thin enter the bedroom. They are dressed as Cardinals, it is really vivid. I think 'Wow' this is an apparition. My lucid dreaming faculties have continued to work after I have awoken and generated these figures. It occurs to me that apparitions might not be normal lucid dreams (as I had thought previously) but that part of the brain has generated this while I'm awake. I watch the figures approach me by the side of the bed, they fragment and vanish." I awake.

Recently I've been thinking a lot about dream yoga and the thought that reality is a dream after all. Perhaps this is coming through in this way.

Greetings Dreamers:

I was asked by Keelin to share a technique I use to induce lucid dreams. I call it the Dream Frame. I use it to put me in the right Frame of Mind to have a lucid dream whenever I want. It involves finding or making yourself a little picture frame and decorating it with something that is special to you, preferrably a spirit dream guide. I have a lovely pewter frame with dolphins all around the border, as Dolphin is one of my personal totems. But you can make one by getting a simple wooden frame and gluing things around the edges. It has to be something that is special to you, something you can use to guide you to the dream world. On the night you want to have a lucid dream, place a picture of what you want to dream about in the frame (a flying bird, your grandfather, a castle, and so on). You can use photographs, pictures from magazines, images printed off the internet, etc. Then you need to take a few quiet moments before bedtime, hold your Dream Frame in your hands, clear your mind, concentrate on the image, and form the intention that you will have a lucid dream about it tonight. (For those lucid dreamers who are blind, I've outlined a method for a Dream Box on the Dreaming and Awakening '02 Folder.) Whatever you choose to dream about should be placed in the Dream Frame and then when you find that item in your dream, you will become lucid. Put the frame by your bed and if you wake up during the night, look over at it and remind yourself again that you will become lucid when you find that image in your dream. It works like a charm for me. I hope some of you will try it and let me know if it works for you...

Lucidly yours, June

Dear Dreamers,

From this morning's adventures:

I'm back in the lush setting of Kalani when two women approach, looking like fresh, eager oneironauts. They tell me their names: Nadine and Nadi. Hmm, somehow these names don't sound familiar. Another woman joins us, introducing herself as Hilary. I don't recognize her name either, and this is very odd because I'm usually acquainted with all the names of our retreat participants. But in the next moment I understand completely and explain to my companions that the reason I'm unfamiliar with their names is because this is a dream -- about the upcoming retreat. I feel both relieved and elated. ;)

The scene changes a bit and now I'm in a room where apparently more oneironauts are arriving. It is soon filled to capacity with perhaps a hundred or so dreamers and one of the fellows tells me there's a problem with the rooms. Seems there aren't enough to go around! I have a good laugh as I realize the oneironauts have simply multiplied, much like the contact lens in Stephen's dreams. I wake too abruptly to apply any prolonging technique, but with a lingering smile.

So Nadine and Nadi and Hilary (et al), looking forward to meeting you in July!

Aloha, Keelin

Hello all,

It's my first time writing to this forum, though I've been reading it for a while, and feel like I know half of you already!

I just wanted to add something about LD clusters. I too experience these, in fact my pattern is quite similar to Owens, with a few intense nights followed by a short (though it doesn't seem it at the time) dry spell. I think expectation is the main factor here. I've certainly noticed a correlation between how much I'm thinking/talking about it during the day with how likely it is to actually happen. For example, if I've been showing someone my Nova Dreamer in reality, then I'll often dream about it (whether I'm wearing it or not), hopefully noticing I've done this once already!

I've also noticed clusters in the type of lucid dreams I've had. For example, for about the past month now I've become lucid in very few 'actual' dreams. Instead I've had loads of false awakenings, both 'naturally' or through my nova dreamer. They're very 'out of bodyish', I get up and wander around my dark house. To make things more exciting I've been inside the tv and taken the car flying! Fun though this is, I'd quite like to get back to exploring some more of my regular dreams.

Has anyone else experienced these clusters in 'type' of lucid dream? I assume expectation is a factor here too...

Caroline,

I also think I have cycles in the type of LDs I have, for example in whether or not they are dream sign induced. Or I might go through a period where I have several consecutive LDs early in the night. Then these stop and I have cluster in the morning before I awake. I haven't done any kind of analysis on these trends though.

I've noticed that the LDs that I have early in the night are distinctively different from those just before I get up in the morning. In the early ones, which are often quite long, I don't feel I have the same degree of awareness or appreciation of my surroundings as those later in the night.

Owen

Dear dreamers You guys are so cool. I have been off line for two months and I come back here to find some amazing, sensual, insightful, inspiring, and thoughtful writing. What an enriching forum.

I too have been going through a dry spell of lucidity, but my non ld's have been memorable. Has anyone ever looked up while dreaming and seen the sky as the ocean? Complete with sounds of swishing and thrashing of waves? Full of swimming creatures? Definitely not at all scary, yet certainly overwhelming to the point of me waking up feeling flabergasted and gasping for air. How weird is that? This just happened to me this morning. Tracy

Tracy

I had my first LD while looking up at the sky.

It was early night, and the sky was much more blue than black. There was a slight chill in the air and I was standing on a sloped hill side just gazing up at the beautiful starry sky. My gaze was obstructed slightly by wispy branches on an old growth oak tree. What seemed to be the movement of the branches merging with the sky turned to the movement of the sky, which in turn became the sea. As I looked closer I noticed that it was a whale that was creating the motion in the sea, or the sky, and at that moment the stars became fish. Fish as you would see at night being illuminated by the moonlight as they breeched the top of the water. Unfortunately at that point I awoke into a blissful haze.

I hope to revisit that dream soon, but this time invert gravity as the sky becomes the sea, so I free fall into the sea and swim with the whale.

Sea you later

( : smyles : )

Hi! I have no idea of where to put this. I do it here, if you folks don't mind.

I think I've mentioned my fascination about the human brain before. And for every day that goes on it just grows and grows.

Much have happened since I begun focusing on my dreams, trying to develop my lucid dream abilities. Both in the dream state and in the awaking. As I've mentioned before my dreams got much more detailed and real and above all, longer. Much longer.

But my awaken mind have changed too. My fantasies have gone through a similar development. It was early last fall, I think, I realised that my ability to create mental projections had changed during the last half year. Now it was much more easy to create stable pictures. I could more easily move in my creations and my concept of space seemed to have improved. It's somewhat hard to explain. But my fantasies were just not as steady and substantial half a year earlier.

And now. It seems, as I'm about to develop a skill of dreaming while awake. Maybe you say this is called daydreaming. But it's not the same. These experiences are new to me. I'm having fantasise in which I'm able to move and handle with a realism not too far from dreams, or reality if you so wish. Sometimes even with sounds, music and so on. So far I'm not able to have these fantasise at will. As fast as I reflect upon them they vanish. But I get them more and more often.

At the bus home from school, just a few days ago, I sat and thought about that movie Vanilla Sky. About how they could have improved it. Even if it was cool that it handled lucid dreaming I think the description was kind of messed up and quite weird. And so I made up an alternative movie. In this fantasy, just as in a dream, I could move around and everything. I was present in a sort of way you aren't in ordinary fantasise, or daydreams if you want to call it so.

Suddenly I realised how real it was and it all disappeared. I had no memory of what had happened the last ten minutes. I hadn't been unconscious or asleep or anything. I had my eyes open all the time, but my brain hadn't been processing the data, not at a conscious level. If anything had happened I would have been brought back in a matter of milliseconds, I'm sure of it. If some one had said something interesting, if some one had called my name, if something unexpected had passed by outside my window I would have noticed. But now it didn't. My subconscious had full control all the time, while my conscious part could amuse itself in the world of fantasy.

I've had these experiences before. Often when I'm out biking, riding through long uneventful stretches of woodland. Nowadays they occur more frequently though, and the realism is increasing.

My goal is to be able to have dreams at anytime, day as night. Fantasise as real as reality. Think of the possibilities! Think of all the data you have access to in dreams, what if you could gain that access while awake? Then you could sit down at anytime and listen to you favourite artists. You wouldn't even need a cd- or mp3-player or anything! What if you could use your subconscious in the same way as in dreams to create worlds as real as this one? Then you could play computer games while sitting on the bus home, no computer needed! And it would be at least ten times as real!

I'm still far from this goal, which I by the way think might take a lifetime to achieve, if even that, but I know I've entered the long path leading to it. And I'll try to reach my goal, practising my brain.

I know all this might sound kind of insane, I would think so too if I hadn't experienced it or been that familiar to lucid dreaming. Very well... See you around!

Linus,

Some call it a trance state. Excellent!

Joy

Linus:

That's an admirable goal, and, though society may indeed find inclination to question your sanity along the way, I like to agree that such mining of the unconscious through dreams is achievable.

Be very careful in your journey, both from that sanity aspect and in avoiding the constant tempation to revert to 'normalcy.' To stray in either direction would end your trip quickly.

I sincrely hope that your quest takes you where you want to go, and perhaps to places you could never have imagined existed.

Peter

By the way, Linus, there's a lot of modern research as well as ancient metaphysical thinking that indicates the mind is not the same thing as the brain and doesn't originate or live within the brain although it constantly interacts with it. I think developing your mind to its fullest potential is what you have in mind! - and you seem to have a good start, if you don't mind my saying so.

I have to say that the posts I've read over the past few days have been most inspiring! I've never experienced anything so intense as you describe Linus, however.... Over the past few weeks I've been going through a dry patch, three weeks or so with no lucid dreams, a long time for me! Anyway, I began to notice I was more lethargic and, it's hard to describe...but the world just didn't seem as, 'vivid'? Anyway, I've been lucid for the past two nights now and feel considerable more awake again, been in a better mood and got through loads of work! I'm thinking that how I've felt over the past few weeks is what is 'normal', and that waking up in your dreams really does help you to wake up in reality.

Linus,

I have a theory that if two people share the same dream waking or not. That it would become stable enough possibly to create an alternative reality. What do you think?

Hehe... interesting theory. But I think I might not be the right person to discuss such things with. I'm a very down-to-earth person you see. Very realistic, or pessimistic if you wish to call it so. Even though I have a vivid imagination and really like things as fantasy, sci-fiction, black magic, folklore and so on I have a distinct border between imagination and reality. You might say I have a very dull viewing upon this world. I myself just consider it realistic. This means that I don't believe in alternative realities nor sharing dreams (while they're happening, of course you can do it orally afterwards). I'll believe such things the day I get reliable proofs. So, the answer to your question is: Not possible.

Hi, dreamers

I'm away for a week and don't think I will be online. I'll answer questions later...

CU then

Yours Ralf

Dear Ralf,

May your week away be filled with dreams extraordinaire!

Love, Keelin

Hi, I'm kind of new but I have a lot of questions about these weird dreams I started having about a year ago. Maybe you guys can help though I'm not sure if they fall under the lucid category but they're definitely not normal dreams. -I've read you guys talk about hearing sounds in your dreams then waking up and hearing those same sounds or similar ones. That's happened to me before cuz years ago I was asleep in the morning while my mom was cooking me pancakes and I was having I think a non-lucid dream and I was hearing a Beatles song and when I woke up I realized my mom was listening to Breakfast with the Beatles on some radio station and the same song in my dream was being played on the radio.

But what I really wanted to know is if that can happen Can your brain incorporate visions of your room (like a painting on your wall) into your dreams if maybe you have your eyes a little open while you sleep? Because this has actually happened to me before a few times. -And 2nd I had these awful half awake half asleep nightmares 3 times last year. I don't know if it is called sleep paralysis because it seemed different. The first time it happened my cousin was sleeping over and my brother started to make fun of her because she was afraid our schizophrenic aunt that was living with us at the time(i know it sounds weird) was going to come in our room at night and stand rocking back and forth over her bed. My brother and I were laughing so hard but when he left I assured her he was just teasing her so we went to bed. But in the middle of the night I suddenly woke up and saw these tiny floating lights moving next to me and as I tried to focus my eyes the lights turned into a apparition of my "crazy" aunt rocking back and forth as she stared down at me I was so terrified and I had no idea what was going on but it only lasted a few seconds and it vanished. I was scared to fall back asleep fearing it might happen again. I sure learned my lesson. The second time this happened I had only been living in my new house for a few months when one night after just falling asleep I woke up to see a ghost of a women floating right above me. I swear I almost had a hard attack and though once again it only lasted a few seconds the fear lasted a few minutes but this time I really believed I had just seen a ghost until I calmed myself down and realized this had happened to me before. oh yeah & i also saw those twinkling lights again.And it feels so real because you feel like you're fully awake and you can even see your room around you and everything in it. The third and I hope the last time this happened to me I was on one of those cruise ships with my mom and my stepfather. We all shared a room cuz it was cheaper and my mom was sleeping on the extra bed they had brought us and she was right next to my bed. I woke up to see a ghost of this man or just some dark figure floating in the middle of the room almost above my mother I got really scared and began to call out to my mother but I wasn't sure if the sounds were coming out of my mouth or not . I think because I was still half asleep I was screaming in my dream but when I was fully awake I realized my mom was still asleep and I called her one more time this time she woke up and I told her what happened since I couldn't fall back asleep I wondered aimlessly through the ship at 5 in the morning. Well that's it I hope you can help me maybe someone out there has had similar experiences.

Thanks Amalia

Amalia

Dreams can provide very exact models of the waking world. So it would be no wonder, if you incorporate paintings, etc. Sounds are even more easily incorporated, because we well hear in our sleep (see the late discussion somewhere in the forum).

We often wake up or are close to waking in the run of the nights sleep. It is a game of 1. the body sleeping (unable to move) and waking up (moving) and 2. the mind waking up or loosing consciousness. These two different processes are mostly parallel, but sometimes the mind awakes, before the body can move. This is called sleep paralysis in the special sense, although SP happens every night, otherwise we would act out our dreams. People experiencing SP are often very afraid, as long ass they don't know, what happens to them.

It is sometimes hard to differentiate, whether your eyes are really open, while you see a man hovering in your room, unable to move, or if you are still dreaming and perceiving a perfect model of the room. It is our common error to claim to be awake, while we are dreaming. Once you encountered some false awakenings from LD, you'll certainly understand, what I mean. I think it would be helpful for you to learn how to test your state, to learn how to know whether your dreaming or awake. Once you know it, you can more easily get over your fears and explore the dreamworld. I know and have experienced by myself SP phenomena. And from reading your posting in "Research, ..." I know that you have a special feeling re the "reality" of your dreams. At least I know this feeling, when I experience something like ESP in my dreams, that is awe and sometimes fear. There is certainly more to dreams than just being a game of the sleeping body's brain, separated from what we call physical reality. But we have to take a differentiated look at our nightly experiences, we have to learn how to stay open - minded. If you follow some threads in this forum, you'll certainly see, how important it is.

I wish you delightful lucid dreams

Ralf

Thanks Ralf, I was waiting for someone to respond and I think you're probably right about it being an almost exact model of my room but about the precognitive dreams- that is far beyond you and me itleast thats what i believe because i've seen too much proof or "coincidences" to not believe. Also about the painting I see when I fall asleep on the couch in my living room is always just there in the backround of my dream or sometimes i see something or more like a part of something in my dream and when i wake up i lay there looking around the room when i realize "hey i saw that or a part of that in my dream, so thats what it was". The esp thing does run in my family we're not psychics or anything but i believe we all have a little something called intuition, it's just some people know how to use it better than others. You'd be surprised if you just practiced. But anyways thats a whole other story. Thank You Again luckystar

Amalia, so very true: everybody has at least some experience with "intuition," but our culture discourages people from developing it, promoting the idea that there's something weird or flaky about believing it's possible to gain information from anything other than the usual five physical senses. So you get people laughing it off when they do have this happen: "I knew it was you when the phone rang, ha ha!" - instead of developing this universal potential. Thanks for your posting in the "Research" section and for your reminder to everyone here: "You'd be surprised if you just practiced"!

Joy

Like Joy [hi Joy ;)] I say thank you. Practice is often all it needs. I don't want dismiss the ESP thing. It is vice versa. I'm very interested. We had this mutual dreaming experiment in the Maui thread. I hope we'll soon have another try.

Tacit Knowledge?

I was trying to find a place to write this and have settled on general discussion because the topic really isn't lucidity or false awakening.

Somewhere around four this morning I was dreaming about being advised to buy stock in a company called Qualcomm. I had never heard of this company before and I was very skeptical. The man who was advising me started to tell me of their technology. I realized I was dreaming as the man talked. You see, I've never bought stock before and I have no money to invest anyway. I started laughing at the man who was just talking away like some sort of recording. I woke up. I asked my wife if she had ever heard of Qualcomm before. She said she had. She mentioned my ISP and the mini-browser on my cellphone. I went back to sleep.

Four hours later I was seeing her off to work and I asked about the company again. It turns out that my conversation with my wife was a false awakening and she's never heard of Qualcomm.

A short while ago my wife and I were eating lunch and watching the news. There was a summary today's stock market action. There was a long list of tech stocks that did poorly and then the reporter said that one company did well today despite expectations. That company is Qualcomm. As far as I know this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say "Qualcomm".

I just did a quick search on the internet and found their website. On the first page I saw the words "Brew 2002 Developers Conference". I had seen these words weeks earlier in a newsletter from a game development website. I do not know whether the word Qualcomm also appeared in the newsletter since I have deleted the newsletter. Anyway, I'm chalking the dream up to tacit knowledge and am making a note to follow up on the information about my ISP and cellphone browser to see just how correct this sort of information can be.

Anyway, I've read that dreams are suppose to be about the things we encounter daily or think about daily and yet much of the content of my dreams lately seems to come from "parts unknown" and seems foreign to my life and unrelated to my daily thoughts. I'm curious to see if anyone else has dreams like this.

Jason,

Now that's the ultimate in insider trading. Please forward me your phone number and best time to call in the morning.

Doug

Dear fellow dreambodies!

Excuse me for triple - posting, but I wanted to make sure, that most people get the chance to enjoy the second part of my Maui DreamCamp - Diary.

Try this link:

http://home.t-online.de/home/Ralf.Penderak/index.htm

and then click on " MauiDreamCamp"

Feel free to browse the site. There are other pictured stories, dream - related art and dream reports.

Have fun!

Yours Ralf

Ralf,

It was great to see the photos of the dreamcamp on your website, particularly the photos of the people. Thanks!

Owen

Yes, thank you, Ralf. I enjoyed the photos and the text.

Mary

Jason,

I read your post with interest. I used to have dreams like that concerning futures options. A friend was into trading futures and I started dreaming about them. I never did much with the dreams.

A fellow by the name of John Van Auken wrote, in one of his many books, of some dream experiences he had which were similar to yours. He made some money from them at first, then quit. I'm not sure why. I don't remember the title of the book I read it in.

Also, I knew a commodities trader who ran a pool and made trades based on his dreams and the dreams of other participants. Once when the pool had lots of money in cotton contracts, he dreamed that he was at a Thanksgiving dinner and saw an old friend named Chuck Cotton. Because he had very warm feelings for Chuck, he took this as a good omen and bought more cotton. The price of cotton immediately took a dive and the pool lost a bunch of money.

A lady who had money invested wasn't happy. She asked that the trader talk to her before acting on dreams. She felt that he missed the message. "Chuck Cotton means throw it away, sell it." She felt like the dream was right on target.

It is an interesting topic you have brought up. Thanks,

Mary

Mary,

I wish I could make money off of stock market related dreams, but I just know that once I put the effort into it that the stocks would show up in dreams simply because of day residue. If you don't normally think about something or don't even know it exists... and it's in your dreams anyway... what does this mean? For instance, I didn't even know if Qualcomm was a real company or something dreamed up. I was thinking that it was a great name for a company and was probably my subconscious' way of helping me with an idea for a company name. And then I heard someone say the word on TV in the very same context (of stock) as I dreamed it. Qualcomm is not a very common word and yet my subconscious somehow had the company and the word pegged.

So I am really asking people to search their dream diaries and pay attention to their dreams and pay attention to anything that is out of place. If dream elements are not present because of day residue and are still representative of things or events you could encounter in the waking world... why are they there and how are they there?

On a side note, I would have interpreted the commodities trader's dream to mean I needed to chuck the cotton too.

Hi, Mary and Owen

Glad you enjoyed the site

Hope to continue soon.

Jason and all

It is interesting. Your dream and the thoughts touch my question: "How is anomalous perception (ESP) incorporated in the dream - plot?"

Day residue - like elements in dreams can contain ESP, too. That makes it somewhat harder in my eyes to discern the sources of information. I didn't read about special ways of "learning how to have Psi - dreams". That isn't my focus, although the mutual dreaming experiment is still intriguing me.

Yours Ralf

Jason:

Though I support the notion that dreams might provide a mystical connection to experiences currently beyond our nature to understand, I feel obliged to throw a little cautionary water on your clairvoyant fire.

You may be overlooking an important facet of day residue. Your brain absorbs thousands of details as it passes through each waking day. But, in the name of keeping your world as ordered as possible, it only presents your perception with the details that might make sense to your consciousness, or have value to your survival. For instance, an oncoming bus or a flirtatious glance from an attractive woman would probably make it into your consciousness. However, many details are omitted, like things you might hear on the news that you just don't care about. Most of these details are discarded, but some survive in your memory, and can be drawn upon by dreams. An example of this are the strangers that often appear in dreams. They may be someone you can't remember ever meeting, but they could have walked by you on the street a day or two ago.

Coincidentally, Qualcomm, a wireless communications company that makes the news regularly, announced that it would meet its earnings estimates on the day of your dream. I have no doubt that they made headlines the day before in anticipation of the announcement. Even if you don't watch CNN, or read papers, all you needed was to be near a TV or in sight of a newspaper to absorb the name. You might not have registered the name when it walked by you, but it was there, and lingered long enough to float to the surface of your dream. Who knows? You might have been listening unconsciously to the reports, and your mind was using the dream to get you to act on the news.

And, for what its worth, Qualcomm might still be a bargain. Its stock price is still in the toilet (half what it was last year), but if they can survive another year, it'll go right up. You may have made a good pick anyway!

Peter

Peter,

Yeah, I know that the mind filters most stimulus out. And since I was able to find a possible link on their website to a newsletter I received weeks ago, I chalked this one up to tacit knowledge. And since I've spent hours in a cafe with CNN and techTV running nonstop in the background, there may be more than one source of information. It was just such an odd thing since it was something very specific and also something I didn't know about consciously. I really never thought the dream was the result of extra senses or anything like that. It just shows that somewhere in my mind I am keeping track of more than I would have suspected.

I also know that there are dream elements that have made their way into my dreams that can't be explained by day residue. At least not very easily. The series of dreams I mentioned in are a perfect example. Unlike the Qualcomm dream, I have not chalked the NYC dreams up to tacit knowledge or plain coincidence. Don't think I ever will.

Whether unfamiliar dream elements are a result of obscure day residue or of genuine ESP, I think they are worth looking at. They are things we are not consciously aware of which have nonetheless made an impression somewhere in our minds.

Ralf, I hadn't even thought day residue may contain ESP. I just sorta picked up the term while reading some posts here and thought I'd use it. Where could I find out more about this mutual dreaming thing you mentioned?

There is a line in my last post that should read : "The series of dreams I mentioned in --The Lucidity Institute Forum: Research, Theory, and LI experiments: Synchronicity, Precognition, Remote Viewing, Space and Time -- are a perfect example."

Jason:

We had some experiments in the Open Conversation - Dreaming and Awakening May 01 @Maui - thread. Not that "ESP - rich", but interesting. And try Linda Lane Magallón's Site (and books, I haven't read any until now. If I only had time...): http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html She has done some work on (lucid) dreams and Psi. And last , but not least, remember the discussion with Skypony (Thread: Research, ... - LD -OBE connection), who referred to mutual experiences, too, although he doesn't name them dreams.

Ralf