Today I wanted to honour nesgirl's membership in the forum. A member that didn't passed unnoticed around here. So, I made this thread to remind you that a part of the forum is missing and also give you the chance to say goodbye ..or ask her to come back.
She certainly had interesting posts and some worthwhile LD posts. Hope you return and you are missed.
I must admit,
Not a day goes by without at least thinking of nesgirl and what she's up to these days. I hope I made the same impression on everyone here.
I haven't been active, mostly because I'm missing someone to rant with, but one of these days, I'll be gone too, and we all know, just as much as I know, anyone who poured their heart out here on this forum will influence me and be a part of me, just like I hope I was, and still am, with all of you.
Whatever... :mrgreen:
What happened to her? did she get banned???? If she was banned Im sure it would of been with good reason as it isn't like bans are common here at all. She was in an unfortunate situation, not always knowing when she was going too far. wondering if she got banned for her attitude towards those who mentioned relationships at all or sex, she did attack more then one person who was fairly new here quite badly over how she felt about "love" or sex
Im not voting as I trust the mods judgement here to do what's best for this website. ...
I didn't mind her though I did have her on block for quite a while as we clashed. Well didn't mind her once I adjusted to her :lol: . She certainly had a strong presence.
taniaaust1 wrote: What happened to her? did she get banned???? If she was banned Im sure it would of been with good reason as it isn't like bans are common here at all. She was in an unfortunate situation, not always knowing when she was going too far. wondering if she got banned for her attitude towards those who mentioned relationships at all or sex, she did attack more then one person who was fairly new here quite badly over how she felt about "love" or sex
Im not voting as I trust the mods judgement here to do what's best for this website. ...
I didn't mind her though I did have her on block for quite a while as we clashed. Well didn't mind her once I adjusted to her :lol: . She certainly had a strong presence. No, she is not banned. That's why I ask you to vote.
If the mods kept her they made the right decision. Allow me to explain... :mrgreen:
What irked me the most about nesgirl was her bigotry and libellous remarks about a few of our fellow members (me included). I might have intentionally provoked her but it was only to expose her true colours. My advice to her would be to keep her mouth shut if she doesn't have a good argument, but, of course, she can do what she wants even if that includes the continuation of her ignominious conduct on this forum.
I'm all for freedom of expression. Let HER -- with her bad philosophy and prejudices -- have a voice so that WE can constructively criticise her. This constructive criticism, of course, is not for her benefit (this bigot won't allow it to be), but rather, for those members who are interested in having a disquisition that will foreground controversial issues and explain why some ideas are wrong and pernicious.
I think keeping her can give rise to a renewed pedagogical experience (provided that she comes out of her foxhole and decides to re-engage), but then again, I couldn't care less about what she does so "whatever" indeed. There are plenty of interesting individuals on this forum with ostensibly more to offer. Unlike nesgirl, such candidates for a great discourse are sane, rational, and less egoistic. 8-)
Nesgirl banned herself, took a hiatus, and is in a self-imposed exile right now. Don't worry, Tani. There were no strong measures taken, and she never did anything wrong. Freedom of speech is upheld here, and freedom to question is equally a virtue. She sure wants us all to feel sorry for her and give her a funeral as if she committed forum suicide, so... well...., I don't want to disappoint. I'll give a tribute.
There wasn't this option, but my vote would be: "No, but I really like her".
No, she shouldn't come back here. For her own well being, she needs to stay away from conflicts. I bet they follow her wherever she goes, taking them with her like a traveling carpet bag, so there's nobody to blame here, but herself for bringing it, and longing for it. She needs to pick her company wisely. She certainly had an abrasive relationship with Summerlander, and DeschainXIX, especially, but it's only because they had a difference of opinion, and she chose to vilify them and blame them for her entire dystopian view. Nothing more. I never saw any serious verbal assault at all. In fact, I had to quell some of what Nesgirl was saying against them, because it was exaggerated, on the verge of being slanderous, and I also stuck up for her as well. It was tough babysitting them all, and I did threaten to spank Summerlander once. :lol: I think nesgirl needs a good spanking too, but we all know why that joke doesn't work.
I stick up for the truth. And the truth is, Nesgirl is not a bad person. I see through it all and we're all just bickering children, playing, and talking, and gossiping on this forum like a recess from our daily lives.
I like people that speak their mind, whatever it is, and express themselves. She was far more interesting than most who come here and only write 1-10 posts. She has left am indelible mark on my mind with her tenacity to her ideals, questionable as they are, and spirit to strive for an ideal world with a passion and sincerity unrivaled by anyone else I ever met here... except Summerlander. I like his gusto for this forum too.
Erichsa was wise to single you two out, and that "Summerlander and Nesgirl" thread was good fun while it lasted.
(I could go on, and it took me many tries to get this far, but whatever was said, was said, and I meant it)
There wasn't this option, but my vote would be: "No, but I really like her".
That's how I felt about it too so I didn't vote.
I was concerned over what I saw as like an attack done on at least one new person here when the person said nothing wrong.
I bet they follow her wherever she goes, taking them with her like a traveling carpet bag, so there's nobody to blame here, but herself for bringing it, and longing for it.
I doubt very much that she longs for the problems she has with others. It probably upsets her that she finds it so hard to get along with others and fit into a forum situation.
LMAO! Well said, Hagart! :-D
Hagart was as perceptive as ever in analyzing nesgirl. In the end, the one who affirms sexual asceticism always has a subconscious masochism. Nesgirl fantasized about vilifying others as well as herself, and she finally got it. I mean... just look at her last couple posts; she's literally shrill with euphoria at being hated and outcast.
As I've always maintained, I don't care what she does, but if she comes back, don't expect me to be any gentler with her; I have freedom of speech too.
In tribute, I would say she was a resilient combatant of reason, who had the courage to say what she thought (however idiotic it was)--and that's more than most can say.
Also well said! :-P
I don't know why I did not notice any attack to new members from her. Can you be more specific?
Well, she was sexist, anti-sexual, anti-romantic, masogamistic, a liar and a bigot. She considered us to be inferior because of our sexual urges, too. That's almost all she ever talked about apart from recommending videos where married couples are tortured and killed for the choices they make. Animals could do no wrong. (Check her latest posts.) :-D
I'm getting a sore neck just looking at your avatar picture Desert Explorer!
Summerlander wrote: LMAO! Well said, Hagart! Summerlander wrote: Also well said! All your well-saids were well said.
I had trouble with nesgirl, trying to get through and socialize. She wouldn't know a true friend if they slapped her in the face. (Weird expression), But seriously I want to grab her by the collar and yell straight in her face, "Wake up! I'm you're friend, God Dammit It!" :lol: I never had anybody rebuff me so much, but I know it's not just me, so it wasn't my fault.
I have already forgot details.
She was not banned but may have thought she was and so its self imposed
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I just realized that nesgirl was back on this forum for the past few days actually, hard at work, deleting every single post she ever wrote. That's a shame.
Whatever. I don't really consider much of what she wrote to be particularly profound or interesting. Quality over quantity. There was, however, probably some interesting things buried in amongst the tautologous heaps of complaint and angst; I know she was a great oneironaut.
It was weird that though she was a lucid dreamer and very successful one, she was almost never calm in her posts. There would be always something hunting her.
Didn't she have some kind of disorder? I am quickly forgetting her... :mrgreen:
Have a good life Nesgirl and TY for enriching ours with your experience and ideas for a while.
Yeah, thank you for stimulating me in the way that you did. :mrgreen:
Can't you hold your eagerness for sarcasm until it passes away at least one time? I have tried it, it works and you do a great favour to yourself as well.
Ok. I'll try. 8-)
I think Summerlander has a disorder too. Go easy on him. He's afflicted with Douchebagitis, also known as Asshole Syndrome (AS), for which there is no known cure.
Much like nesgirl's bipolar disorder, which leads to anti-social behavior, it wasn't something he chose, but was due to the genes he was born with. This condition often leaves the majority of society puzzled with such questions as, "Why would he/she say that?", or statements like, "Oh, no, he/she didn't!" For the rest of us, it's very hard to understand why someone with a disorder behaves the way they do.
I tried many times to connect with nesgirl via Personal Messages to gain a better understanding of who she was, and knew her better than anyone else here. I have no shame in that. It helped me grow more compassion and see the larger picture of a person, instead of being distant words on a screen with no life behind it. A life with hopes and dreams, who laughs and cries, just like the rest of us. Not everybody has to win a battle of wits while they pleasure themselves before a 10 foot portrait of Christopher Hitchens, watching their severely depressed victim flee in tears, threatening suicide, as he watches on, continuing to stroke his... ego, uncaring whether she lives or dies.
I'd been suspicious that that was a genuine air of solemnity and gravitas. Why are we taking this so seriously? I didn't even think Summerlander was being sarcastic.
"And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity—through him all things fall." Thus Spake Zarathustra
It's precisely the thing that leads very disturbed people like nesgirl to hate the world. They take everything seriously! They see not absurdity but malice and fallow! Sometimes failing to acknowledge a person's insistence upon melancholy and nihilism is what is necessary.... Not that I would claim to have ever said anything "therapeutic" to nesgirl, of course.
Yes. Taking everything so seriously sucks. One benefit of stop doing that is that you can enjoy black comedy. :P
OK, Hagart. Summerlander's post made me chuckle but after reading yours, I couldn't breath. :D
Well, guys, shortly after tactlessly posting I didn't feel like there is a deeper mystery to my demeanour other than ego. But after seeing the way all three of you responded, a compulsion to introspect flared up in my mind. Why did I post that? What was I really hoping to achieve? Was I trying to lighten the mood here by attempting to be sarcastically funny? Perhaps. I'm still exploring. The end result I imagined (don't ask, it's private) doesn't match actuality. (I just realised I had an expectation, a dream...)
It's interesting to see how dissimilar the reactions were from all of you. DesertExplorer probably thought, "Oh go away, Summerlander..." or something along those lines (his claim to have chuckled seems a little oxymoronic now) -- however, I don't believe he believes I said what I said with malice. In case he does, I'll put him at ease: I didn't. Perhaps I was a little insensitive, though. I hope Nesgirl doesn't give up on life and discovers happiness. It does exist. ;-)
Like Hagart, I can see that I'm an arsehole sometimes, too. And even though I know there is no free will (love you, Benedict Spinoza; love you, Bertrand Russell; love you Sam Harris) :-P , there is still a will in me to help with my stupidity. So, I will try to think less about orgies with the Four Horsemen of Atheism (that Sam Harris is like a sexy Ben Stiller) and more about Nesgirl. Honest, Hagart, your compassion is touching. I promise. :mrgreen:
Still introspecting as I think of Nesgirl as a victim leaving in tears. (But I am really Jesus Christ who was vilified and crucified by a slippery snake. :mrgreen: ) I am definitely NOT a sociopath... or, if Benjamin Phillips was right about me, I'm not aware of it. :-D
First, of course I knew it was a joke. I can assure you that what you managed to achieve by posting this is making at least a person laugh.
Second, you nailed it in the end with the orgies and Jesus Christ!
Third, sign out of Summer's account, Hagart!! I know it's you.. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM
Oh, we're doing that, now? If I had to share a song, what would it be? Hmm..
My song's a bit melodramatic, but exaggeration helps prove a point. I was harsh with Summerlander too for the same reason. It helped get a message across, and I think it worked.
I love the song, guys, and Van Gogh is my favourite. Not even Dali (surprisingly enough for a lucid dreamer). You made me cry, Hagart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4BrZjY_Sg
I always considered that song, my anthem, Desert. If there's ever a tribute to HAGART, let that one play. 8-)
*(I don't have a way with words, and will die before I know how to properly use a comma, but sometimes a drunken rant is the best I can do.... so enjoy. I usually delete these after writing, but I'll keep this one. I will speak my mind in honor of someone. That person has a special day in my heart. May 25. Although past midnight, I've been thinking about them all day.) *
I feel I should clarify something with Summerlander. When you said this (1st quote below), I didn't bat an eyelash. You spoke the truth, as hard as it may be to accept, nesgirl should look in the mirror and realize how she portrays herself to others. Sometimes people need a wake up call (as I did with you):
Summerlander wrote: Well, she was sexist, anti-sexual, anti-romantic, masogamistic, a liar and a bigot. She considered us to be inferior because of our sexual urges, too. That's almost all she ever talked about apart from recommending videos where married couples are tortured and killed for the choices they make. Animals could do no wrong. (Check her latest posts.)
I wouldn't go as far as calling her a liar though. I happen to know she has poor reading comprehension skills and gets things mixed up, so I forgive any misunderstandings or confusion on her part.
THIS IS WHAT TICKED ME OFF:
Summerlander wrote: Didn't she have some kind of disorder? I am quickly forgetting her... :mrgreen:
You read a lot of books, but I guess not the forum, and you certainly don't read people. Either that or you were being a deliberate "arse", afflicted with (AS).
Summerlander wrote: Yeah, thank you for stimulating me in the way that you did. :mrgreen: With the green smilie on both comments, and due to context, I understood them to be complete sarcasm. I know your personality, remember? You don't like people that you don't find intriguing. She wasn't mentally stimulating to you and don't claim that she was.
It seemed to me, that you went out of your way to be a jerk for no reason, with no gain to yourself, but to further her suffering, whenever she reads this, as if you get pleasure from it.
I will not defend her beliefs, but I will defend her as a person who's perhaps a lucid dreaming savant, that we never truly got to know, like Vincent. We did not listen; We did not know how. Yes, there was some Nesgirlese we had to decipher, a term coined by Snaggle, but we did not hate. And yes, there were many You Yube links she tried to express herself with the only way she knew how which left many of us scratching our heads sometimes, I must admit.
I miss my little Spongegirl-Poke-Pants. But this is a forum for everybody, and I know many others won't feel that way. Not only that, but for her own well being, I advise her to stay away from here. I don't know if any forum is right, which all draw constant questioning, self-evaluation, and a need to be eloquent to stand up for your beliefs. That was something she lacked, but hey, she's only human, with a few communication setbacks, and don't we all have them? I feel a blog format is more her style.
Why am I taking this so seriously? I had a moment to reflect. I don't have a social life. I have no job. I have no friends. I'm an 'adult' that lives in their mother's basement, but I'm quite the Donnie Darko. This is my only social circle. I think, in our minds, we have a need to have a social group and if it's not filled by the outside world it get's replaced by people online, or anyone we meet. It happened to be you sorry lot, and that's why I know so much about you people. You are my friends. I tried to tell Nesgirl, time and time again. I consider anyone here my friend. Taniaaust1, Snaggle, Desert Explorer, DeschainXIX, Peter, nesgirl, and yes, of course you too, Summerlander. (And many others, but I only mentioned the names of those in this thread).
I'm usually the funny guy around here, but I wont end this with a joke the way I almost always do. Perhaps another sad song is in order. This is how nesgirl sees the world in my opinion, and the fact I relate to it as well is quite telling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPkLG-tvzM
I think there is definitely a time to be serious and after the little joke we had your timing is perfect, Hagart. I earnestly take on board your feelings on what ticked you off -- please don't think I don't. You cast a differently light on the insensitive comments I made, a perspective I hadn't considered which exposes my attitude regarding nesgirl as being devoid of compassion. In hindsight, I'm looking pretty bad and I should try to avoid being so judgemental.
You have made me more aware -- or reminded me -- of the fact that nesgirl wasn't given the best hand in life. And instead of tactfully encouraging her to improve as a person and suggesting life hacks whereby she can work around her pathology, I seem to have completely dismissed it in an inculpatory and objurgatory manner -- quick to condemn and not very evaluative. My harsh approach might steer certain individuals in the right direction (usually those who are not so afflicted by ego and open to the wisdom of others) but nesgirl is certainly not one of them. Nesgirl has subjective problems which drive her to inflate her ego and here's me pipping her with callous illative 'missiles' as she hides behind her bulwark of conceit. I admit, it doesn't do any favours to make amicable contact (I guess my primary objective here isn't making friends) and will only persuade nesgirl to put her defences up. I guess I wasn't as patient as I could have been, but, then again, can you blame me when any advice from me would have been construed as coming from an inferior being who is intrinsically flawed and repulsive my nature? She didn't make our interaction with her any easier and we'd have to devise a mental trojan horse in order to convince her that she is not living in a Kafkaesque world (or doesn't have to immanently).
I hope she is reading this and takes what I'm saying into consideration. I confess, at times I let my emotions get the better of me and this resulted in some vindictive posts, on my part, carefully contrived to ensnare her into pratfalls. You reading this, Nes? I did this. I am not a perfect human being. There is no such thing. I can generate this type of negativity because I am flawed. But this doesn't mean that nothing good can come from me or that everything I say should be rejected. (I apologise, Hagart, if I am confusing you here but this last part is addressed to nesgirl -- but you are pertinent here because what you said made me introspect and now I feel like I should somehow make amends or atone for my misdoings.)
By the way, Hagart, you have a rich social life here, at least, and being a bit of a solitudinarian Donnie Darko doesn't make you less of a person. I find you more approachable than nesgirl and this is only the truth (neither negative nor positive, just neutral). You could be a genius waiting to be discovered. ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI
You're my personal Jesus, Hagart. 8-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6aKnRnBxM
Angry cat doesn't like us getting all sentimental and is trying to break it up with music videos. :lol:
I still have a way to contact nesgirl, so I'll remind her to read this. It's very important that she doesn't vilify you anymore Summerlander, (and DeschainXIX) as she does with many others. She chooses people to be her nemesis and places all the world's problems that she sees into them like an effigy that she burns in her dreams. First, it was Taniaust1, and it was even me one time, but I didn't let it happen and smoothed things over with PMs. Now that I think about it, if it's not you, it will be someone else. Maybe she needs someone to be her enemy, always.
I'm just an armchair psychiatrist.
You're a smart person Summerlander, and are always willing to change in the light of new evidence. I must have a higher emotional intelligence, or something, and brought forth a new perspective that illuminated you.
You're a frontier psychiatrist, Hagart.
^^^ (Inside joke, above, that nobody else will get) ;)
Alright! Let's lighten the mood with the best song ever, so everyone knows why you said that. :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpqm-05R2Jk
I love that song by them so much as well.
Back to seriousness again.
The song, "Jeremy", by Pearl Jam says a heck of a lot about how I feel about nesgirl.
Here it is with the lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-AV2Lu_1wM
(It takes about 10 seconds before the song actually starts.)
But think about it! Just change "He" to "She" and it's not, King Jeremy, it's Queen Nesgirl.
I may comeback to edit this later and write more, but right off the top of my head, she was certainly into multimedia (drawing pictures), and ruled her world, (Black Triangle Island), and is quite wicked when it comes to torturing her SIMS in that game. But she hasn't "Spoke in Class" yet, and we don't have to "Erase her off the blackboard".... if you know what those mean. ;)
HAGART wrote: (It takes about 10 seconds before the song actually starts.) Guess why.. :D
I don't know.
This is starting to turn into a nonsense thread, but hey, all threads with, or about nesgirl, turned into that and were great fun!
Forget all the drama and bickering about stupid ideas for once. Off-Topic is designed to be our playground. Yes, sometimes there are bullies and altercations, but we're all just kids playing.... Kids in the Hall. ;)
That's how we grow up strong.
I take it back. Do you know what the one similarity that every nonsensical thread ever had? My presence. 8-)
You certainly had some effect on me, Hagart. Either you are a master or you fluked it. :)
I'm prepared to meet nesgirl halfway if she returns. But I just wish she stopped making assumptions about me and other members here. I have nothing against asexuals or any other orientation. I always respect animals and I don't want them to suffer as my theory of mind also includes them as conscious, sentient beings (albeit to a different degree as evidence suggests). :geek:
I know there will be things that me and her will disagree on but she doesn't need to take it personally. We should all just chill and simply acknowledge that we've all had different experiences in life. 8-)
My guess is because of copyright. For some reason You Tube inspects copyright stealing automatically for the first 10 seconds or so of the video.