Peter wrote: I am really really lazy so you could tell me :|

Me too; but curiosity trumps sloth

I ran out of things to talk about and I looked him straight in the face and asked, "You know this is a dream right?" He said yes. I asked, "Do you exist?" He said, yes, I exist in your head. (It made perfect sense to me at the time. I can see him, hear him, if I wanted to I could have touched him. He exists in all the ways we define existence in reality.) Then I asked, when you leave here, and I continue with the dream elsewhere, or if I wake up, do you still exist? He didn't answer and he turned and left around a corner, but I followed to keep my eye on him. Although viewing him from behind I felt like he had morphed and upon closer inspection, I was right. He was now a different person altogether. I yelled at him, "Do you remember who you are!" I tried to jar his memory, but it was too late. He was gone, and a new body took his place, without 'him' inside. Haggart

It's an interesting question whether they stop existing when you wake up. They continue to exist in ones memory whether one remembers them or not. Another interesting question is do DC that existed in dreams you were unaware of later show up in dreams you were aware you were dreaming?

AK-47'd some LD characters in a spy dream before. Also I had a pistol with three bullet and took out three people. But I never have killing dreams so these are only two occasions

I had to brutally kill a DC in self defense in a dream once. Those guys were trying to rape me and kill me, it seemed... Not good...!

This group was circling around me and trapped me, then punched and kicked me to the ground. I felt every blow, I tasted the blood in my mouth. I grabbed a lead pipe and bashed the main guy in the head and the other two went running. I felt really horrified! I've never been a violent person but it seemed like either I off that character or the unpleasantness might continue, and it really hurt for me. A very yucky time indeed!

That was a bit earlier in my dreaming experience. I guess I can't say if I was 'lucid' or not, I just had this moment where I felt compelled to act.

Other than that, more recently I have willed spirits away which has been really easy. Once I realized that I could generally be reasonable with energies that presented themselves in my dream life (which I also equate now to spiritual) I could dismiss those things. I've had menacing triangle shapes (yeah I know, weird!), dark princes, mean ladies, etc- and even new potential rapist characters that I've simply dismissed and it works much better than actually smashing them with a pipe. LOL.... :p

I've noticed that dream characters react to our emotions and are basically projections stemming from us. Feel fear and they will become frightening, get angry and they fight back, think happy thoughts and they will be your friend.

But you can't fake emotions. You have to truly feel them. Turning a nightmare around isn't easy when you are pumped up and ready to 'fight or flight'. A hug doesn't do a thing if you are still terrified deep down.

Emotions are quite powerful if not the single greatest power and influence on a dream, lucid or otherwise. When lucid however, we can become self-aware of our emotions and alter them to a degree. That's the best way to conquer and smite a dream character that we don't want around.

And if that doesn't work I just wave my hand and they usually go flying away or smash against a wall into a dust cloud of tiny pixels and vanish. The more sentient type dream characters however are very 'concrete', vivid and solid, and my powers don't have any affect on them for some reason. That could be another topic.

Anyway, the bottom line is, sometimes we do need to fight back and dreams could sometimes teach us survival skills and throw us into situations we don't ever want to face, but prepare us. It could be evolutionary advantageous to practice survival training in the 'holodeck' of our minds. I have been attacked by wolves, leopards, and snakes. Fighting a Dream Character doesn't mean it has to be human now does it?

HAGART wrote: I've noticed that dream characters react to our emotions and are basically projections stemming from us. Feel fear and they will become frightening, get angry and they fight back, think happy thoughts and they will be your friend.

But you can't fake emotions. You have to truly feel them. Turning a nightmare around isn't easy when you are pumped up and ready to 'fight or flight'. A hug doesn't do a thing if you are still terrified deep down.

Emotions are quite powerful if not the single greatest power and influence on a dream, lucid or otherwise.

I used to think that emotions were the strongest affector of ones dream but due to an experience I had with a LD in which I was very scared, it showed me that isnt true.. instead belief itself seems to be the strongest affector of dreams.

Ive come to that conclusion due to a LD I had in which I was in the middle of the ocean in a small row boat with a very scary demon wanting to kill me sitting right across from me within reach. Thou I was sooo very scared of it (even thou I knew it was a dream this DC still was very scary to me), I used reason and belief to change that dream and incredibly thou I was very scared when I was trying to change the demon into something else, it still changed to something non threatening just on the belief of "this is my dream so I should be able to change this"

Just the power of belief in knowing I could change a dream, overrode the manifestion power of the emotional fear energy I still had in that dream. I was actually so scared I was shaking when I shut my eyes and tried to change him to something else. I was actually surprised when I found it had worked (as I did think the fear would stop him from going to something not scary).

Several...but few have been memorable.

One in particular was in an extremely lucid dream...there was a competition, it was about killing this enormous, hairy beast with glowing eyes. There was this blonde man who kept trying to shoot me, but I was able to blow his legs off and try going after the monster. The man came back to life and charged me this time, gripped me in a bear hug and stared at me with this insane grin. I stabbed and slashed him in the throat so many times over everything was drenched in blood but he wouldn't let go, until the beast grabbed and ate us both.

It was extremely intense.

Aria wrote: Several...but few have been memorable. Yeah, me too

The only ones I remember are dreams where there was something interesting/memorable about the enemy, or I killed in a very creative, fun way

A good example of a fun kill was one where I snuck into a villain's mansion. He was on the 2nd floor balcony. When I got there I charge at him from behind to where I was pushing him. When we got to the edge I jumped while holding him. And in that of pushing and jumping he asked me "W-what are you an[I jump] ARTIST?!?!?! :o " So we're in the air, I let go of him for a moment then grab him by the head and forced it to land on a concrete curb. The impact caused us to bounce, me being alive, him being dead.

I woke up laughing like I heard a hilarious joke :lol: . He was right; I am an artist, and not just with music ;) 8-)

Most of the time, my dream characters are very nice and I don't want to hurt them, but I did kill one of them: She was my 5th grade teacher who had been very cruel to me.

I was walking through the school, knowing every inch of it. It looked as it did when I went there, in the 1980's; it has been remodeled.

I walk up the stairs to the 5th grade section. I go into a room that I knew as my 5th grade classroom. I can see my 11 or 12-year-old self leaning against an accordion-like partition. She told me to get away from it because I was being punished for not doing my homework.

Behind my back, I am holding a knife. I tell her that she is not going to run my life anymore, that I did make something of myself, that she couldn't hurt me anymore. I bring my hand out from behind my back and come toward her, slashing away, Norman Bates style. The kids and the 11-12-year-old me start to scream. I don't even remember killing her, but move away, seeing her in a pool of blood, and a bloody knife in my hand. As I walk toward the door, I wake up.

It was so real that I found her number in the book and called her. I listened to her say hello a few times and hung up. I was so relieved that I hadn't killed her. I had strange dreams about her before that, but after I killed her, they never returned.

i usually kill people in my lucid dreams by pretending my hands are guns and shooting them. a bight more violent i have killed people with my hands... i do this strictly to get those people out of my dream if i have a different goal in mind

I'm not sure if this really counts as killing, but I had a dream where I was a survivor in a zombie apocalypse. Although I don't remember much, I remember killing zombies in various ways on a road out in the middle of no where. I had a rough day before the dream and I guess I was just blowing off steam(even though I wasn't lucid). In any case, I enjoyed it. ;)

i was attacked by a black cat in a dream, i had the same dream a few times and the cat beat me, but this time i strangled it goodo, ''i woke up that morning and flet like i could take on the world'' the feeling wore off after a few hours. :lol:

seanEE wrote: i was attacked by a black cat in a dream, i had the same dream a few times and the cat beat me, but this time i strangled it goodo, ''i woke up that morning and flet like i could take on the world'' the feeling wore off after a few hours. :lol: I get the same feeling after a good kill. It's great isn't it? Very relieving 8-)

Hello, Tear here.

While i have never tried to kill any of characters from my dreams (i hold respect to each and every one of them) i did experience a characters death in a dream.

i have few important characters in a dream and one of more important ones is a Floran* named Semini. Semini is Still a good friend of mine, but trough dreaming her sister called Ember died from a wierd curse in a dream... i did not create this curse nor did i ever have intended to kill Ember. but after few months Ember did not show up in a dream and Semini still acts as her sister is dead. i never tried to bring Ember back to life, however after she passed away i was given a ring with red flower on it to remember her. ring is on my hand in a dream about 90% of the time and i have started to use it as a sign that im dreaming.

*Floran - a plant like humanoid made out of flowers, leaves and other plantlife. an imaginary creature.

Nothing shocks me. I have seen and done so many crazy things in lucid dreams, and of course regular dreams too.

Thanks for sharing. There is nothing to be ashamed of. Most of us have a morbid mind and are influenced by games, but we are all good people at heart. I will go out on a limb and say it's a guy thing to be violent in dreams, and enjoy some gory movies and games.

I find it odd how we can be so open about violence in dreams, and games in our culture, but we can't talk about sexuality in dreams or see nudity in games because it seems far worse than ripping someone in half with blood spewing out, splattering on the walls.

Food for thought. ;)

jeremy1113 wrote:

erichsa wrote: WHY? :shock: Exactly my question, why in the world would you want to "kill" off , not just your dream characters, but anything? Hope you will not take these things into the real world.

But to answer your question, no I have never felt the desire to kill. Although I have had the need to interact and get insight into some of these characters, pick there brain, so to speak.

Utterly thrashing and destroying a dream character is generally a very good symbol, indicating that some element of the psyche that has been an obstacle of sorts has been overcome and vanquished. ... and that's a good thing....

Have you ever killed a real live person in waking life? Just asking.

Skippy23000 wrote: Have you ever killed a real live person in waking life? Just asking.

Who are you asking? (and why do you ask?) Me?, no. I have not been in any sort of physical altercation since elementary school.

RobertForsythe wrote: Utterly thrashing and destroying a dream character is generally a very good symbol, indicating that some element of the psyche that has been an obstacle of sorts has been overcome and vanquished. ... and that's a good thing....

It's a good thing to destroy dream characters, he says, so sure that they are nothing but 'elements of the psyche'... :D

But then we take into account what he told someone else on a different topic:

RobertForsythe wrote: I am open to the possibility that the DC are actual real people with bodies operating somewhere else in the world. If people can psychically communicate with other people across the world while in the waking state it seems likely it could be done in the dream state, maybe even more easily. But finding these people in the waking state is a challenge. I have tried.

So, he is also open to the possibility that he could be giving real people nightmares by attempting to destroy his dream characters. :)

And he wonders why Skippy23000 asked him if he ever killed someone in real life ... :mrgreen:

Summerlander makes a good point. You can't think both and must make a decision.

I don't think I've ever actually succeeded in fully killing a dream character. Not for a lack of trying. I think dream actions are totally amoral, with no consequence in the real world. But it seems that the more violent I am with a dream character, the more inhuman they become. The dream loses a bit of realism and the person morphs into a squid or some strange bloated caricature with vaguely human parts. For example, if I'm choking a guy, his head will swell up and his features will contort and become all shiny and the dream will collapse.

Also, when I'm trying to kill dream characters, the dream seems quite adept at assembling a sort of security force. It will literally fight back. For example, the night before last night I found myself lucid in a sort of shopping mall. Remembering this thread, I went into a sports equipment store and expected to find a katana mounted on the wall. I retrieved my samurai sword, thinking it would be fun trying to decapitate some dream characters. But when I turned around I found myself surrounded by five ninjas all holding swords identical with mine. Now I'm in a five-way sword fight that I'm quickly losing--and my lucidity is going down the drain, too, because I'm concerned I'm going to be cut, failing to realize the implications of lucidity.

Something equivalent usually happens when I engage in violence in a lucid dream. I need to work on keeping my lucidity, which affords me power over the dream world. Whatever leukocytic "security force" the dream procures I can easily get rid of if I realize the full implications of being in a dream.

I know what you mean, deschainXIX and often have that trouble with characters morphing during lucid dream sex. I will just say two words that hope makes others think about it more:

THOUGHT POLICE ;)

I never had the need to do so. But I already killed by them several times. Some of them, I felt very panic and despair. (Even after death, I found myself living in another world, as it were, dream within the dream).

Summerlander wrote:

RobertForsythe wrote: Utterly thrashing and destroying a dream character is generally a very good symbol, indicating that some element of the psyche that has been an obstacle of sorts has been overcome and vanquished. ... and that's a good thing....

It's a good thing to destroy dream characters, he says, so sure that they are nothing but 'elements of the psyche'... :D

But then we take into account what he told someone else on a different topic:

RobertForsythe wrote: I am open to the possibility that the DC are actual real people with bodies operating somewhere else in the world. If people can psychically communicate with other people across the world while in the waking state it seems likely it could be done in the dream state, maybe even more easily. But finding these people in the waking state is a challenge. I have tried.

So, he is also open to the possibility that he could be giving real people nightmares by attempting to destroy his dream characters. :)

And he wonders why Skippy23000 asked him if he ever killed someone in real life ... :mrgreen:

You are lost in a shallow fog AGAIN, Enra/Summerlander.

I did not "wonder"? why Skippy asked me that... I merely asked for clarification if his question was directed at me?... or maybe it was for the OP ... or anyone else... it was a rather ambiguously posed question. (That is something you might want to learn how to do -- asking for clarification first....)

As far as the "giving other people nightmares" aspect goes... you are jumping to conclusions... again....

I have mentioned to you repeatedly that you might pause a moment now and then and ask for clarification before you go off half cocked as you so often do.

I presently believe that about 99% of humanity is residing in a near zombie state 99% of the time. In the Dream state they are almost exclusively dealing with figments of their imagination... much like their waking state....

The VAST majority of the time when a person dreams of obliterating an opponent in a dream it is merely a DC that is being obliterated.

On the other hand, for some people, I remain open to the possibility that some "dreamers" might be honestly perceiving another conscious entity. If one is defending themselves from a genuine psychic attack self defense is a wise move. In such a case it would be morally and ethically acceptable to obliterate the attacker with everything you've got. There are other options as well but that might get way out there and I am running long on this reply already.