Although I like to be intellectual with dream characters and I am becoming more and more respectful, I must admit sometimes I kill them or just toy with them like a juvenile. Although I can get great insight from lucid dreams with a rational 'adult' brain, sometimes I just become a kid again and toy with that reality as if I have a god-complex. And the dream characters suffer the consequences.

Sometimes it is as simple as holding your finger and thumb up to your 'eye' and then squeezing which snuffs them out of existence. Or telekinetically lifting them off the ground a foot or so from a distance just to see their reaction and toy with them. Or I have even lifted them higher and let them fall to their 'death'. Or to another extreme, one time I was in a classroom and became lucid and willed the teacher to vanish. He didn't vanish right away but grabbed on to my forearms in desperation and I felt like he truly didn't want to die, but I made him disappear anyway and he turned into a cloud of blue and black. And as he disappeared I felt a strong remorse.

I've been a bad boy sometimes in lucid dreams, but I feel like I can't be the only one. And this sort of stuff stems from a feeling of frustration or anger which, being human, we feel sometimes and lucid dreams absorb emotions like a sponge and project it in ways we can sense. Not all lucid dreams are spiritually, or intellectually enlightening.

YET, understanding why WE (hopefully not just I) do this sometimes shines a light on ourselves and isn't that the definition of enlightening?

(But any gruesome anecdotes are welcome too! :twisted: ) ( I have some....)

Whenever we get rid of a dream character by whatever means, it is because we don't want them there. But you must ask yourself why? And then you learn more about yourself.

I do from time to time and it does not bother me as it is rare and the driving thought is just a simple "needs to be done" so I get rid of the offender. I think it should be taken in the context that when we change scenes we destroy entire worlds so again its all in the perception of the dreamer. Destroy the DC or destroy the world they live in - and the interesting point here is the ones that keep on keeping on and live in all realms.

Yes, usually with weapons. In real life I've usually killed with guns, traps or my bare hands, but in dreams I normally kill with white arms (swords and knives), very rarely I use magic. My most recent kills were of turtles whose heads I was snipping off. I did not know what I was snipping and was shocking when I saw they were live turtles-pretty gross to be killing without even knowing it and for no reason.

Not yet but I will in my next lucid dream! :twisted:

WHY? :shock:

erichsa wrote: WHY? :shock: Exactly my question, why in the world would you want to "kill" off , not just your dream characters, but anything? Hope you will not take these things into the real world.

But to answer your question, no I have never felt the desire to kill. Although I have had the need to interact and get insight into some of these characters, pick there brain, so to speak.

What I keep seeing or reading is waking life values by way of expressions being used or transferred to the dream world. The concept of killing is one as I dont think there is a need to think in terms of killing. I know that gamer will do this but most likely with the same feelings of killing in a game so the emotional content is missing as it is most likely just like a game to them.

If we are literal about the word killing then as I said in another post each time we refocus we kill everything that was there, each time we create a new dream scene we kill what was there and each time we put focus into a new DC the old ones are gone or killed as they no longer exist due to our actions.

Choosing to kill is an interesting issue, self defense - in some countries that is legal. Hunting well that is legal as well, killing for pleasure in the dream may not be so good but are the feelings associated real in anyway, do they carry over to waking life?

I am weary that we will become to judgmental in a thread like this as we each have different goals in dreaming

I had a lucid dream where I battled the leader of a group of guys that was trying to kidnap my sister and cousin. At the end of the fight I sent his own dog to attack and kill him. I remember the dog jumping on him and biting his face off :shock:

Wow.. im shocked at how violent some feel.

I though once attacked and was killing a dream character of my mother. In RL I guess I was rather frustrated with her. The attack of her character in my dream was horrifically violent with me bashing my mothers head into a brick wall over and over and her head was being smashed up with blood going everywhere. When I woke up, I was so shocked I had that dream of doing that too her, the memory of that dream made me feel quite nausous..

The only way ive "destroyed" a DC thou is once when I had a demon character with glowing red eyes in a boat with me. It was in a lucid dream and I could feel such malice coming off the demon character so I destroyed that character by willing the demon into an innocent harmless young boy who could do nothing to anyone and got enjoyment from disabling the demon DC like that.

jeremy1113 wrote: Exactly my question, why in the world would you want to "kill" off , not just your dream characters, but anything? Hope you will not take these things into the real world.

But to answer your question, no I have never felt the desire to kill. Although I have had the need to interact and get insight into some of these characters, pick there brain, so to speak.

There are numerous reasons to kill. The first two are the normal reasons to kill-power and freedom. If you can't kill you're the slave of anyone who wants to enslave you. Your freedom is not deserved, it's just an accident of circumstance, while if you want to enslave others being willing to kill them is a mandatory vice.

Survival, profit, courage, bravery, self mastery and art are also common motives for needing the ability to kill. If you ever are unfortunate enough to face people who are trying to kill you if you can't kill them first your chances of survival are pretty low. Killing for profit whether of humans or animals has always been a common custom. The profit motive should be extremely obvious, but sadly is not. BTW are you a vegetarian? if not you're still responsible for the killing you commission while being a grocery store scavenger. Courage is much harder for most being to understand. Whatever you're afraid of weakens and enslaves you. Facing fear and overcoming it is a very rewarding experience. Bravery is also hard to understand for most people. What you can't do in a conflict will defeat you. One needs to be able to use force, but beating up a foe is often not enough to stop them, nor is inflicting pain, nor crippling them enough to stop an enemy with certainty, killing them is 100% effective at stopping them. To be effective in a conflict one can't be afraid of suffering: a beating; of any level of pain or torture that is inflicted upon one; of any mutilation or death and needs to be willing to inflict them on others. The mere threat of them is often enough to defeat a foe. If one knows what a foe fears or can't do one has already defeated them and may not have to fight them at all. Self mastery is also akin to courage and bravery, being in complete control of oneself in dangerous situation is character building. hardest of all to understand is that killing is an art and like all talents one wants to increase ones knowledge, skill and experience.

taniaaust1 wrote: Wow.. im shocked at how violent some feel... The only way ive "destroyed" a DC thou is once when I had a demon character with glowing red eyes in a boat with me. It was in a lucid dream and I could feel such malice coming off the demon character so I destroyed that character by willing the demon into an innocent harmless young boy who could do nothing to anyone and got enjoyment from disabling the demon DC like that.

You show promise, but don't you think that forcing that demon into an innocent was wrong?

I've read the posts and this is interesting. I think there are 3 main reasons to kill a Dream Character.

1. They are menacing and it is in self defense. We all have the capability to kill and dreams can sometimes be a virtual learning environment to act out those scenarios. We are still animals after all, and if you have ever daydreamed about what you would do if an intruder came in your house then you are going to dream about something like that too. I think we all have. It usually happens when I am non lucid however since when I become lucid I realize it is not real and just leave or do away with it.

2. Then there is the simple fact that we don't want somebody in our lucid dream and we cast them out somehow. I mentioned I sometimes 'pinch' them out of existence, or other times, this just came instinctively to me, I use my mind to throw them against a wall very hard and they explode into a cloud of dust and disappear. No matter what your method is, it is not 'killing', but rather 'expunging' them.

3. Killing for the fun of it. And don't judge! Whenever I do this, the Dream Characters are mindless extras without a personality. Like Peter said, it feels more like a video game, and there is no emotion in the dream characters and in fact, although they look human, they really aren't a dream character as I would define since there is no character or personality in them at all. They don't feel any suffering. (Except that teacher guy I mentioned in the first post, and I felt bad about it. I didn't expect to feel his anguish. It was an accident and I was only trying to expunge him. BUT IT'S STILL JUST A DREAM so get over it!)

(If someone kills to get pleasure from seeing others suffer, that is a whole different story!)

I said I had a gruesome anecdote and this is actually a 4th reason to kill a dream character. REVENGE! This has happened several times and it happens when I have a DILD and become lucid in the dream and when there is someone bugging me or bullying me. My first thought and course of action is to exact some revenge. (I know it's petty and unintellectual, but when emotions are high I act on impulse. I am only human after all. Not all lucid dreams are spiritually enlightening.) This dream happened about a year ago:

• I was in a room in a regular dream when two guys cornered me and were being hostile. I didn't know why and it was hard to fight back. I suddenly realized it was a dream, but I still couldn't fight them. It was like I couldn't move my arms or if I tried, the dream didn't give me any. And none of my lucid powers seemed to work on them either. I just gave up and let it happen knowing I wasn't really going to get hurt. But when it faded and I woke up, I was still in the same dream and now outside, but just knew that they were around somewhere. I saw one of the guys and I pointed at him and willed his head to explode and even used my arms to gesture what I was trying to do. Sure enough his head exploded and sprayed a mist of blood. I was going to find the other guy, but I woke up. I was actually upset that it ended because man! I was pissed at those guys!*

Snaggle wrote: You show promise, but don't you think that forcing that demon into an innocent was wrong?

no not at all.. my intent wasnt to hurt anything. I wasnt creating any negative energy for myself by transmuting something rather then attacking it.

Maybe when we are attacking DCs maybe its symbolic of wanting to attack a part of ourselves (anger towards ourselves).. rather then wanting to change a part of ourselves. I felt threatened by that DC thou I knew I was in a dream and he wasnt really real..so hence I responded to change the situation.

I dont actually even play violent computer games.. I dislike killing even in those so hence even if I know I DC isnt real.. I still wont kill it thou maybe a part of me did get like sadist pleasure from makin it change.

If I am sick and attempt to look around my body for something to fix in a lucid dream it may manifest as a DC or group of DC's and I have no hesitation in killing them and I will use fire like a wizard as temperature is the way the body gets rid of lots of disease.

Being sick really interferes with dreams sometimes, it's probably the fever that messes up the normal process. I get these totally confused and erractic dreams when I'm really sick.

taniaaust1 wrote: Maybe when we are attacking DCs maybe its symbolic of wanting to attack a part of ourselves (anger towards ourselves).. rather then wanting to change a part of ourselves.

I agree. We are really just attacking some aspect of ourselves. Killing is always a quick solution to things and although we feel like we are above other animals and primates perhaps we are not. When in a lucid dream sometimes my monkey mind takes over and emotions dictate my behaviour. And also I have sometimes taken a negative feeling or violent nature in someone and waved my hand and converted it to a more positive situation. I think Snaggle was just being clever and posed the question: What is more immoral, killing a dream character or putting it into an innocent bystander dream character? But in the end, who cares? It was just a dream and it is your own. And we should never feel ashamed to share our dreams, especially not here!

On another note, I wonder, and I posted this before, do men and women lucid dream differently? I've read that men tend to be more destructive and women are more caring. This, of course, sounds stereotypical, but there might be an element of truth to it.

I'm actually a very nice guy, and destructive lucid dreams are cathartic and provide an outlet for my deep seeded, male, violent nature. (And don't judge me... if anything I am being too honest!)

When I was younger my dreams and lucid dreams were very violent but not very often now, they have changed a lot over time.

In sickness I can get very vivid and odd dreams but always try to find the source of the illness and get rid of it if I can

Have I killed Dream characters...? Yes! And I plan to kill some more! :mrgreen:

In my first lucid dream ever I was in a slum and this madman was attacking a civilian and I said to myself "If this is a dream, then I can have a blade arm like in Prototype". It eventually formed into a blade and I killed the madman. Then someone said they needed my help destroying some evil soldiers. They took me to their hideout, which the soldiers found. I went outside the base, which was at the top of a skyscraper and there were soldiers on the roof and a helicopter with guns. I used electric powers like in inFamous to destroy all but one soldier and the helicopter. I killed the last soldier by hitting him with a pillow, which caused him to lose his balance and fall of the skyscraper(I laughed so hard when I woke up and remembered that part).

It was so much fun I can't wait to do it again! Don't get me wrong though, there's more I wanna do than just slaughter dream enemies. I have some non-violent dreams I'm looking forward to experiencing. ;)

Guitar48300 wrote: I killed the last soldier by hitting him with a pillow, which caused him to lose his balance and fall of the skyscraper

hahah that made me laugh.

Your dream made me see that Im not really against the idea of "killing" like I thought I was.. I thought your dream was quite nobel and to my surprise I enjoyed reading it. It made me think of knights in shining armour.

HAGART wrote: On another note, I wonder, and I posted this before, do men and women lucid dream differently? I've read that men tend to be more destructive and women are more caring. This, of course, sounds stereotypical, but there might be an element of truth to it.

I do think there may be some truth in it as women prefer to nuture and may not have that "warrior"nature males have but it really I do think depends on the person to. Im in a dream group (there is 4 of us who share dreams together) and we have one male in the group... his dreams are so so peaceful and spiritual usuallly leaving me in awe wishing I had dreams like that. I'd really be surprised if I saw he'd had a killing dream (unless it was in defence).

I think things like babies may feature more in female dreams... babies and swords dont go well together :D

I once dreamed that I was acting as a security guard during a cocaine transfer between two gangs. It got violent and everyone started shooting. I was the last one alive. :?

Hmmm, I had a strang dream the other night which fetured "Zombie Nazis". They were like soldiers made from parts of dead nazis (They had gas masks on so I couldn't see thier faces). I used the power of asumption and imagined they would be rather fragile. I walked up to one, kicked it and it just fell over. Other than that I can't recall any other times...though I will try it next time I see the guy that shoved me inbetweed a lion and a shark :twisted:

I killed two men in a lucid dream by stabbing then with a blunt knife. I killed one first and disabled the other with severe injuries. Then, while I pinned the injured one to the ground, I gouged out the dead one's left eye and kept pulling on a red thread of flesh until his brain came through the eye socket.

The injured one kept screaming so I took the pleasure to stuff his mouth with his friend's guts. Then I mercilessly stabbed him to death. I noticed an old man watching me from afar, a witness beyond my reach. But I knew I was dreaming and used telekinesis to hurl him into the air and make him splat on the floor.

The initial point of the lucid dream was to practice self-defence against burglars but I ended up drunk with power in my lucidity. Before I knew it, I was an evil warlock wreaking havoc on a dream town and enjoying a murdering spree. I understand psychos now.

To me personally, killing a dream character is no bueno. It never even occurred to me, but now that it has, I will be sure to never do it haha.

Dreams are not just dreams to me, and this I even consider that waking life is just as unreal as dream life, so they are the same, which means to me, killing a DC isn't much different then killing a person, the major difference being, I know I can get away with it. Otherwise, killing is killing, especially brutal killing at that. Not a good experience, and not one I would create for myself in a lucid dream.

I much rather have a conversation with a DC and treat him as a real person, (which who knows he may be real!) ;)

I don't want to hurt anything or anyone; in life, or in my dreams. I can't relate at all. In my dreams, I see all dream characters as aspects of myself appearing in different forms. Messengers from my own subconscious.

I dreamt that I stabbed an enemy from school with a stick once, because he was infected with some kind of zombie disease in my dream. I wasn't fully lucid because I didn't understand that there was no use in killing him because he was just a character my mind had created, but I was concious enough to understand that there was no use in fearing him.

I just turn them into a Car and poof they are not living.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with murdering a dream character.

Anyone who thinks this has some religious background.

Wrong, no religion at all and dont think murder is good

You are making statements yet again that will not end well, please moderate your posts a little something along the lines of adding to each " in my opinion, I think" dont make out you views are absolute truth as they are only your opinions and only one point of view

We are glad you are back with us but we all need to respect each

Peter Moderator

Peter, are you agnostic by any chance? Because that's surely a religious belief.

I don't mean to be rude. I am just stating what the scientific evidence shows.

Nope I sit in the wonderful position of saying that I have no need to believe in religion or no need to not believe. I am happy looking inside for all I need..

It is good to have you on this board so just asking to present your views as yours and that becomes an open dialogue that encourages posts not stops them

Also how about posting some memorable dreams, keen to understand your perspective and adventures while lucid

LOL - just Googled and found out you are correct. I guess I am and just said that, enjoy the joke

Peter, I like you. You are a nice guy. :D

Everything's cool, don't worry.

But I just find it strange that other members can insult me because of my disability, and get away with it.

LOL - yes and no, just open minded I hope when it matters.

Any issues PM me and I will quietly deal with them

Just don't like being called an 'odd ball' by PK Jacker.

As he said, "Yeah sites like these tend to attract a few oddballs, I guess its the escapist nature of the phenomenon."

Noted

Also how about posting some memorable dreams, keen to understand your perspective and adventures while lucid

I agree with Peter, also saying: "In my opinion" and not being to pushy. We all have our own beliefs, so do I, but I will not say this is the truth. Yes I will say: In my opinion, and have an open mind. I have in my life seen a lot of advances, and I am open to correction. looking forward to telling us a few of your adventures :) .

At Lucidity Master: You are not alone, remember that. I've had my problems as well.

Yes I kill my DCs, very often. If I am in my angry mood, then I kill them without mercy, reasoning, or judgment. However, usually if that isn't the case, usually I will to vent, for multimedia purposes, or if I am in my mischievous mood.

I had a dream where me and two other's were running from the devil (red skin, horns) in an apartment complex,we run into a building and down a stairway to a dead end laundry area. I put down one of my companion's against the wall b/c he's hurt( IDK how) also had a feeling he'd support via healing or something. So the devil's coming down the stairway and I rush up the stair's and kick his head into the railing.then it's later and i'm with a DC in a garage in the apartments , i'm holding the still living but bodiless head of the demon getting ready to use power tools like a sander and buzz saw on the head, but a car pulls up and the DC says something alluding to flushing him or throwing him down a drain. Then I woke up :shock:

I'm assuming a dream character is any other entity within the dream. If so yes, but they were intent on doing me harm. So usually I fight on their level, if they fist fight I fist fight, If they have swords I have one and if they use some sort of magic power, I freeze them and fragment them back to basic atoms or worse. :lol:

I've killed DCs plenty of times in self-defense. But if they don't attack me first, I can't bring myself to cause them harm. I'd much rather give them a big hug and have a nice conversation over a cup of hot chocolate. :D

Sparky wrote: I've killed DCs plenty of times in self-defense. But if they don't attack me first, I can't bring myself to cause them harm. I'd much rather give them a big hug and have a nice conversation over a cup of hot chocolate. :D

:lol: Your dreams must be hell on your Starbucks card. :lol: "Bob! Hw are you? Haven't seen you since the dream where I was drowning, how you been? Wanna hot coco and a cookie? :D

Sorry if I had a good laugh at your dreams expense. :oops:

buildit wrote: :lol: Your dreams must be hell on your Starbucks card. :lol: "Bob! Hw are you? Haven't seen you since the dream where I was drowning, how you been? Wanna hot coco and a cookie? :D

Sorry if I had a good laugh at your dreams expense. :oops:

Hahaha! :lol: It's all good, buildit. I laugh at my dreams too! :D

Sparky wrote: Hahaha! :lol: It's all good, buildit. I laugh at my dreams too! :D

;) I don't know why the image of asking a DC for hot cocoa is so funny to me. :D

Think I have said this before but each time you wake up you possibly kill the lot of them anyway.

I've asked that question directly to a few DC's. What happens when I wake up? Where do you go? Do you exist without me?

I shared a few examples over the years, but we should all ask that and see for ourselves.

Here's an example: If you scroll down the 'Dream Character" section, and view past threads on other pages, it's called: "Do dream characters exist beyond the dream? I asked one."

Or if you're lazy... here's a link to it: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13164

I am really really lazy so you could tell me :|

NO! I'm too lazy to tell you about it. But it's easy to follow the link.

Don't make me come to your house and do it for you! :x

I have tried in ordinary dreams but not lucid dreams. Usually when I try to strike out at a dream character my arms are like lead, and even if I connect it's like trying to punch through a blanket. No result at all. The Dream Character is still there.

In Lucid Dreams, when I meet an unsavory character or some monster, I just tell myself that this is just mental noise and that it cannot hurt me. It usually just goes away. When it doesn't work I just "spin" and go somewhere else. I got the idea from Tebitan Buddhism.

I have read many NDE accounts of people who had horrifying near death encounters. Just imagine how those NDE's could have been turned round if those people had been exposed to these ideas?

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