My journal continues.  Lucid Parts, Semi-lucid, Dream Signs, Comments, You guys.

I was trying to WILD, and I felt the vibrations massively, but I hadn't had any HI or anything yet, and I didn't know if I was going to go into a dream or just some void. Luckily I ended up where I did.

Wandering, and Message Sent

I'm walking around, sometimes inside, but mostly outside on paths and sidewalks. There are lots of DC's wandering around, and I am looking for the right one, either to have some fun or to get some experimenting done. It's really dark, and I'm having problems with clarity and focus. Multiple times I rub hands together, and practice spinning, but the dream quality tends to degrade quickly. (I think I was near awakening; I even felt Tom moving around.)

I converse and/or have sex with one or two DC's, but I feel like I'm doing all the work. As the dream continues, it becomes more stable and the DC's become more substantial. I see a really big, hideously ugly man; his face is so horrible he hardly looks human. "That's the one", I think.

I come up to him and ask him if he will do me a favor. He has become an ugly white guy now, not so much of a monster. He says "Yea, sure", kind of sarcastically. I ask him his name; he says it is "Hodges". I ask, "Will you give a message to someone for me?" He says that he will. I tell him that the message is for Tom. Then I realize--no, not Tom, what am I saying? I correct myself and say the message is for pj. I also tell him pj's real name, and where he lives. The DC says, "No problem, we've got that area covered." The DC asks what he is going to get out of the deal. I tell him that pj will let him touch him after he delivers the message. This seems to be good enough, and he agrees.

I wander around some more. I see a big ugly black man, but I know it is the same DC even tho he's black now instead of white. I go to him to make sure he has everything right. He says, "Tell pj [the message], right? As soon as he says that, I realize that the first time I talked to him I may not have even said what the message was.  Well, he knows anyway. I say, "Yea, and tell him that Moonbeam is sending it." The DC says, "OK, I'll tell him that [my real name] is sending it", in a smart-ass way. I like this DC anyway, and we walk together for a while, my hand on the sleeve of his coat.

And I shall most assuredly be looking for Hodges, in whatever form he may choose to take.

He's got this area covered.  Why doesn't that comfort me?

Quote from: Moonbeam on March 31, 2008, 07:41:10 AMThe DC asks what he is going to get out of the deal. I tell him that pj will let him touch him after he delivers the message. This seems to be good enough, and he agrees.This kinda creeps me out! lol

pj you better be on the lookout!

Oh - I've dealt with these creepy DCs before and know my way around.

Once things get going in the Deep Dreaming forum, we'll be exploring these experiences more.  I'm not going to risk messing up your lucid dreams by telling you too much here, Burns, but Moonbeam and I have experienced some startlingly similar and bizarre behavior of DCs.  If you're interested in more, I'll point you in some directions to see what we've been doing the past couple years.  But I'll warn you - it will likely change your lucid dreaming.

Quote from: pj on March 31, 2008, 06:10:32 PMIf you're interested in more, I'll point you in some directions to see what we've been doing the past couple years.  But I'll warn you - it will likely change your lucid dreaming. Yes, I'm definitely interested! I remember that experiment you guys had me in on via PM that one time, but nothing much came of it, or at least I never heard back about what happened with it.

My lucid dreaming needs some changing anyway - it's been getting progressively suckier as I get older...

Ok - well, you can start by looking for Moonbeam's thread about lucid dreams with aggressive DCs.

What we have found is that whenever we start treating DCs in ways other than how they present themselves to us, they tend to get really weird.  One of the things they always try to do is grab us in some way, often by the wrist.  The touch seems very relevant to something or other.

In one lucid where I was asking questions of a DC, I "rewarded" it by touching it, and the reaction was pretty amazing.

This seems to happen any time we approach DCs with the intent of asking them questions.  Try it some time and see what happens.  Start with a simple question like "Do you like me?"  You might follow that up with "why?"

huh.. that's really interesting! Now all I need is a lucid dream to try it...

Yea, we're still trying, Burns.  We'll let you be the intermediary again if you don't mind.  We've both got messages out there now.

I know that sounds really weird to offer to let the DC touch Pete, but I did it because the "aware" ones that we've run into seem to be very into grabbing our arms or something like that.  They seem to want to do it, so that's what I came up with when he asked.  Then I walked around holding onto him, so he may have gotten what he wanted anyway, without delivering the message.

Pete is right that it will change your dreams to start talking to the DC's as if they are real people.  I was just thinking how strange and robotic they used to be in lucids, when I first started.  They aren't that way anymore!  They really seem to have a mind of their own, which makes it seem like this message passing task may not be an exercise in futility.

It's interesting in any case, and I like having something to focus on in lucids.  At the very least you will learn something about your own subconscious.

All of my DC-interacting dreams are in Deep Dreaming, in "Moonbeam's Aware DC Dreams", if you are interested.

Quote from: Moonbeam on April 01, 2008, 10:20:56 PMYea, we're still trying, Burns.  We'll let you be the intermediary again if you don't mind.  We've both got messages out there now.I don't mind at all! I would love to be involved and help out

Quote from: Moonbeam on April 01, 2008, 10:20:56 PMAll of my DC-interacting dreams are in Deep Dreaming, in "Moonbeam's Aware DC Dreams", if you are interested.Cool, I'll have to check them out!

OK, great!  If you want someone to try and send a message to you, we can.  Or you could try and send one to one of us.

I wish there was a "vault"; somewhere we could put messages which would have a time stamp on them.  Then when we either send or receive messages, we could put them in the vault, and then compare them.  Not that a third person can't do it, but still--there will be that always be that unprovable aspect when there is a human element which could be fallible.  Not that any of us are, but you know what I mean.  ;D

I don't know about internet stuff enough to know if that is possible.  I don't really see how it would work, exactly.

Well, it doesn't matter until we get one positive result; then we can work on making it completely un-tamperable.

Interesting. I already plan to ask a DC if they like me and why. But the grabbing thing is unexpected. I'll have to try and see what kind of results I get.

Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens with you.  You're getting a little bit biased, maybe, by expecting to be grabbed, but it happens to so many people it actually seems to be a real phenomenon (caused by what, I don't know.)

I went thru a period of time of being pretty freaked out by the DC's, but I learned to deal with them, and they haven't given me any trouble for a while.  In fact, if I am too aggressive, they become scared of me and run away.

Floating

I'm floating around at about eye-level, just going thru the house, turning and twisting like I'm a ghost or something, without any substance.

Salad for Seeker

Seeker is sitting at small table and chair outside. He has my big metal salad bowl in front of him. There is already a bunch of lettuce in there, and I am chopping up more vegetables to put in there. I'm cutting some unknown vegetable, which turns into cabbage as I cut it. I y, "Oh, I didn't know (this vegetable) and cabbage were really the same thing. Seeker says, "Yes, it is, and the trick is to not use too much." I agree with that. Somebody is shoveling snow next to us, I realize; I think it was Italian Monkey. She says something to us.

Family Reunion

I'm with a bunch of Tom's family, but Tom isn't there. A man shows up, somebody who we have not seen for a very long time. We are all happy and excited to see him. It is JW, a good friend of my long-time ago ex, who I secretly had a crush on. He is talking to us, and mentions that he has a GF. A woman I don't know says, "Oh no! You have a GF!", and looks very sad and disappointed. I don't realize it until she says it, but I then realize I feel the same way. I am sitting on a chair, and JW is next to it. I reach out and put my arm around his waist to hug him, and he looks at me as if to say don't worry about the GF. So I don't.

I go into the kitchen and start chopping up watermelon without a cutting board. I realize what I'm doing, and stop to get one, but Tom's brother gets it first. Tom comes in and I remember that he doesn't like watermelon. I go to the sink and I want to get something out of it, but there are some yukky big dangerous looking bugs swimming in the water. I chop at them with the knife, and the get bent in half but don't die.

Neglected Dog

I'm at my Dad's house taking care of things. I remember I have not been outside for several days to take care of our dog, which is the dog we had when I was a kid. I go outside, and Sam is alive and happy to see me. I'm very glad I didn't let him die. I see his water dish is empty, but he dug a big hole to get some water. A deer carcass is in the water. I want to get rid of it, but everybody tells me not to worry about it.

Rainbow

I'm in a pavilion, in a park, by a lake. It starts to rain on one side of the pavilion, and I watch it come over to the other side. I am sitting with a group of people, and there is another table there too. The moving-rain is really cool, and I yell at everybody to watch it. Then I see my Mom, so I go out to her. There is a really big, oddly wide, 3-D and substantial looking rainbow. I turn to get my camera, but when I turn back the rainbow is already shrinking. It collapses and disappears into a puff of clouds as I watch.

Sending back my i-pod

Tom tells me he is sending my i-pod back because I am not using it enough.

Quote from: Moonbeam on April 03, 2008, 07:49:50 AMNeglected DogNeglected animals again! o_O Between you and me, I'm not sure who's worse!

Quote from: Moonbeam on April 03, 2008, 07:49:50 AMRainbowI can't ever remember dreaming of a rainbow before - that's something I will have to remember. Weird you have this dream and GH just posted about seeing a rainbow

(I didn't think I had any recall til I sat down here, and I remembered one.  At first all I could remember was that I had a dream with Mark, but more and more came back to me as I typed.

Visiting Mark 50%

Tom and I are in England to visit Mark, but also we have to do something for work.  When Mark and I see each other, at first we both adopt a karate stance like we are challenging each other to a fight, but we both know we are joking, like we're pretending it's a dream and we are going to karate fight.  Then we hug and are glad to see each other.  Mark is wearing bell-bottom jeans and I think he looks cute.  Tom is annoyed by this and stands off to the side, looking away, as if he's not with us.

Tom and I have to go to a meeting for work, and it's as if we've heard a lecture and are discussing it afterwards, but I don't remember the lecture.  Tom appears to remember everything, and corrects some things that other people are saying wrong, but I feel stupid because I can't really remember anything.  Then we are supposed to meet Mark who is going to show us stuff, and we start walking down what seems like a normal sidewalk at first, but quickly becomes a rocky, obstacle-filled path.  It starts to rain, and for some reason Tom keep taking the hard way climbing over the rocks and he is barely able to move along; it's a huge struggle for him.  I go behind him, and see a better way to go over each obstacle and so have an easier time.  He is wearing some sort of track suit that he blames for being slippery and not letting him climb, and he takes it off and sticks it in cracks in the rocks, as if he will come back later and get it. I don't think this is a good idea, and also I'm cold so I think I might wear the clothes, so I pick them up.  The jacket is wet, but I put it on anyway.

Does Tom have some emotional loading about your relationships here?

Great Dream... Cool if Mark remembered it.   Bell bottoms, is that dating yourself?

i know where your coming from, whenever my wife appears in my dreams, about 90% of the time she is annoyed at me

Awww, Tom was jealous!

If Mark remembered something like this, that'd be amazing!

I was in your dreams last night!!

Lol I love the fake karate fight good stuff lol!

I always wondered how Tom would react if you met people from here, it would be awkward right? lol bell bottoms they are flares yeah? well my jeant have a very very very slight flare but they are not bell bottoms

Interesting how tom was making things difficult for you in that dream lol men eh? pssh we are always taking the hard road ha ha

ha MB I laughed at one of your replies to my comment ....pain = lucidity lol! good stuff

Lucidbudha & Dally up - sadly no memories of MB in my dreams last night :(

I think, if Tom really is jealous, it's only because we relate and feel the same way over dreaming, something that he doesn't get. [People do get jealous over just about anything nowadays.]

Good job On the Wild. That was an interesting Lucid. Sinking through that table must have been something. Funny how you got stuck in the middle! I can just picture you all crunched in between the two levels.

Quote from: dallyup52 on July 08, 2008, 08:58:26 AMDoes Tom have some emotional loading about your relationships here? No, he just thinks dreams are stupid.  He claims he never dreams.  Anything dream-related annoys him on general principle.

QuoteGreat Dream... Cool if Mark remembered it.   Bell bottoms, is that dating yourself? Oh...I thought they were back in style.. (Yes I used to wear big bells at one time, since you brought it up. >:()

Quote from: joshbotch on July 08, 2008, 09:44:49 AMi know where your coming from, whenever my wife appears in my dreams, about 90% of the time she is annoyed at me

Yea, we always fight in dreams, but not IRL.  I don't know why that is.

Quote from: Mark on July 08, 2008, 10:51:02 AM I was in your dreams last night!! It's about time!  And I almost forgot it; I only remembered when I got on the computer and thought about you.  Actually earlier in the  night I think I had one of those thought-dreams about you; I was thinking about your dream about having a daughter, and I was thinking (in the thought-dream) what if you did have a daughter that you didn't know about, and suddenly she showed up?  I was trying to think if that was worthy of calling a dream; and when I thought about you that other dream came back to me.

QuoteLol I love the fake karate fight good stuff lol! Yea it was funny, we were laughing. I should have gotten lucid, because we were pretending it was a dream (and it was.  )

QuoteI always wondered how Tom would react if you met people from here, it would be awkward right?

Well it wouldn't matter if I met people, only if he forced to come with, cuz he is always so unfriendly.    I'd have to warn him to be nice first, very sternly.  I have to do that a lot of times anyway, when he meets other people or goes around my family, so no big deal.

Quotelol bell bottoms they are flares yeah? well my jeant have a very very very slight flare but they are not bell bottoms Yea they are like flares but bigger.  I think the ones they have now are not as big as they used to be. I should have called them flares instead, that's what they were. You looked very good. QuoteInteresting how tom was making things difficult for you in that dream lol men eh? pssh we are always taking the hard road ha ha I'm used to it.    I don't think you would do things like that! Quoteha MB I laughed at one of your replies to my comment ....pain = lucidity lol! good stuff Well not severe pain; just enough to make me notice.  I'm willing to suffer a little bit for a lucid.

QuoteLucidbudha & Dally up - sadly no memories of MB in my dreams last night :( Well, maybe next time.

Quote from: Lucidbulbs on July 08, 2008, 11:28:43 AMI think, if Tom really is jealous, it's only because we relate and feel the same way over dreaming, something that he doesn't get. [People do get jealous over just about anything nowadays.] No, Tom never gets jealous; it was just the dream-related aspect of it, and he was embarrassed that Mark and I were being goofy.  See, I had dreaming on my mind, I should have gotten lucid.

Quote from: Caradon on July 08, 2008, 02:05:22 PMGood job On the Wild. That was an interesting Lucid. Sinking through that table must have been something. Funny how you got stuck in the middle! I can just picture you all crunched in between the two levels. I regressed in my abilities.  At least I snapped back up for another try at the dive; that's the kind of thing that used to wake me up.  I don't know why I can never appreciate where I am, I always have to take a high-dive first thing when I get lucid.

PS Mark--oh yea, I remembered to day why Tom was wearing the track suit--he was dressed like a chav in one of your videos, I watched those ones you put in LB's journal.

Fragment

I'm sword-fighting somebody.

Sex Dream

I'm with my ex-BF JN in a strange house.  We have very energetic and realistic sex.  He's happy to see me, and for us to be back together.  I'm not so thrilled, but I think at some point, "It's OK, it's not my real body."  There is another man walking around the house, but he ignores us.  Afterwards, I order pizza.  I ask the other man what kind he wants, and he says just get two single-topping thin crust.  I don't think that will be nearly enough, with JN there.

Barbed-Wire

I'm outside in the yard of a strange house (the same one?) with the man (?) who lives there, his family, and Tom.  We are walking in the yard, and I get tangled up in barbed wire, and start sliding down a hill in the leaves at the same time, so the barbed wire is cutting me.  Tom helps me get untangled.

Dark Night

I go back the strange house in my truck to pick up my car which I left.  GM from work is with me to drive the car back.  When we get out of the truck and shut the doors so the dome light goes off, it is pitch black outside, too dark to see anything.   He goes to the back of the truck to get a flashlight.  He does find one, and I wonder how he knew that was there, because I keep the flashlight by the driver's seat, which I get.

Hahaha, Tom as a chav Really nice dream Moonbeam, of you visiting Mark! The start sounded very realistic as well. I laughed at the karate joke. I like flared jeans, but just a tiny flare for men, not too much

Ohhh, you were almost lucid there, Moonbeam! Too bad you didn't really get it. It could have led to some nice LST-scene

PS: you were in my dream last night (again), together with O, I'm going to write it down now

Quote from: Sara on July 09, 2008, 07:33:24 AMOhhh, you were almost lucid there, Moonbeam! Too bad you didn't really get it. It could have led to some nice LST-scene I know! Drat.  >:(

QuotePS: you were in my dream last night (again), together with O, I'm going to write it down now

Cool!  I have to get up and get ready for work now, I'll read it when I get home!

QuoteAfterwards, I order pizza. Isn't that the way it is.  Great sex ..... okay, now let's eat.

QuoteTom helps me get untangled. That Tom is so nice to keep rescuing you.

wow I dunno what I would do if I found out I had a daughter out there, it would be kind of scary but most definitely I would be there for her....wow how awkward would that be lol!

Its OK MB there are loads of times everyone has missed becoming lucid ...I know I have plenty of them. He he tom sounds like a legend! I can well imagine his reaction to us bearing in mind he hates dreaming lol!!

indeed, sara and MB my jeans are only flared a small amount so they look good over my trainers.

lol I would accept pain for lucidity too he he

oooh noo sorry MB I turned tom into a chav in one of your dreams ha ha

shame you cant remember more of the sword fight it sounds like it would have been fun lol pizza after sex....its always good he he

Ouch at the barbed wire dream

Quote from: Moonbeam on July 09, 2008, 07:02:49 AMSex Dream I'm with my ex-BF JN in a strange house.  We have very energetic and realistic sex.  He's happy to see me, and for us to be back together.  I'm not so thrilled, but I think at some point, "It's OK, it's not my real body."  There is another man walking around the house, but he ignores us.  Afterwards, I order pizza.  I ask the other man what kind he wants, and he says just get two single-topping thin crust.  I don't think that will be nearly enough, with JN there. you had me rolling here...    love this dream... the visuals alone (in my mind) are so freekin' cool!   you know you never say you stop having sex when you were ordering pizza...  so it is so amusing    but i'm surprised you didn't get really mad at not becoming lucid...

Awww, Tom came to your rescue, cute~

Don't worry MB, I've missed out on lucid chances loads of times.

Quote from: Pancaka on December 02, 2008, 07:27:38 PMI hate that when I have trouble writing out a dream. Sometimes I just have trouble thinking about it because there will be two outcomes that I remember from a situation. My theory is that the dream repeated (like they do sometimes) and then they ended in different ways, but I didn't remember them starting over, which is really annoying.

I read once where somebody said that dreams don't really have a story until you go back and "remember" them; that's kind of hard to believe, but I know what you mean too, that almost seems like it could be sometimes.  Like you have to pick a way to describe it, and that's what becomes the dream.  Maybe it is the repeating-dream theory however.

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 02, 2008, 07:34:58 PMQuote from: Pancaka on December 02, 2008, 07:27:38 PMI hate that when I have trouble writing out a dream. Sometimes I just have trouble thinking about it because there will be two outcomes that I remember from a situation. My theory is that the dream repeated (like they do sometimes) and then they ended in different ways, but I didn't remember them starting over, which is really annoying.

I read once where somebody said that dreams don't really have a story until you go back and "remember" them; that's kind of hard to believe, but I know what you mean too, that almost seems like it could be sometimes.  Like you have to pick a way to describe it, and that's what becomes the dream.  Maybe it is the repeating-dream theory however. Well my dreams repeat a lot (mostly upon death, like in a video game  ), but sometimes I can tell that it did and sometimes I can't. It's mostly when my awareness is higher, but I don't get lucid from it, I just seem to know the future lol.

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 02, 2008, 07:56:48 AMMovie Dream--The Crash 50% Oh no! Poor wheelchair guy. Funny how he was OK with being in jail, maybe because it wasn't his fault?

Quite a sensational story, Moonbeam!

Quote Nobody is Who They Seem to Be 50% (forgot the first part)Hmmm, that was a confusing scene... too bad you didn't RC on the suddenly appearing purse...

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 02, 2008, 07:34:58 PMQuote from: Pancaka on December 02, 2008, 07:27:38 PMI hate that when I have trouble writing out a dream. Sometimes I just have trouble thinking about it because there will be two outcomes that I remember from a situation. My theory is that the dream repeated (like they do sometimes) and then they ended in different ways, but I didn't remember them starting over, which is really annoying.

I read once where somebody said that dreams don't really have a story until you go back and "remember" them; that's kind of hard to believe, but I know what you mean too, that almost seems like it could be sometimes.  Like you have to pick a way to describe it, and that's what becomes the dream.  Maybe it is the repeating-dream theory however.

Ohhh, I can agree with that theory! Sometimes my dreams have a clear story, but often (especially the past week) it's like fragment after fragment and I can't find the links between them. And once I do link some fragments, it's like 'yeah, that's really how it was' and I remember it like a real dream, even though I don't know if it really was like that. Well, dreams are all produced in our mind and there's no real way to check upon the story afterwards...

Quote from: Sara on December 03, 2008, 06:38:28 AMOhhh, I can agree with that theory! Sometimes my dreams have a clear story, but often (especially the past week) it's like fragment after fragment and I can't find the links between them. And once I do link some fragments, it's like 'yeah, that's really how it was' and I remember it like a real dream, even though I don't know if it really was like that. I know, me too.  Sometimes it does seem like a more definite story, and I don't think there would be any other way to interpret it; but a lot of times it's kind of vague until I think, oh, that's what must have been going on when this or that weird thing happened, or that image appeared for a moment.

QuoteWell, dreams are all produced in our mind and there's no real way to check upon the story afterwards...

Til they build the dream recorder.

I lost almost everything last night.  Didn't wake up to make notes, so I've only got the end of the dream I woke up with.

Very Trusting

I'm at a university.  I do to the doctor with a guy.  He has a skin condition, and I see he has little parasitic bugs all over in his skin.  He takes off his clothes, and I help the doctor remove the bugs.

He goes back to my apartment to wait for me.  We are going to drive somewhere together.  I have to go pick up some stuff.  I call him and tell him I'll be a little while getting back.  After I do, I realize he answered the phone in my apartment, which seems weird in a way.  I think about him being in there with all my stuff.  There's nothing of value; I'm more worried about him looking thru it than stealing it, but I figure it would be OK.  I try to imagine if I were in a stranger's apartment all alone, would I look at their stuff?  I decide I wouldn't.  Probably not anyway.

I have an impossible amount to carry.  I put as much stuff on my back as I can, then ask a girl to finish loading me up.  She keeps grabbing the wrong thing that I want next.  I don't manage to get it all in one load, and I have to walk quite a ways.  As I start, I realize I should have asked the guy to come help me when he called.

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:29:07 AMI lost almost everything last night.  Didn't wake up to make notes, so I've only got the end of the dream I woke up with.Aww, poor you.

QuoteI'm at a university.  I do to the doctor with a guy.  He has a skin condition, and I see he has little parasitic bugs all over in his skin.  He takes off his clothes, and I help the doctor remove the bugs.Iehhh, that makes me itchy! Glad they were on him, not on you

Quote After I do, I realize he answered the phone in my apartment, which seems weird in a way.That IS weird. You have a lot of those 'hmm, that is weird' thoughts in your dreams. Can't be long before you finally do an RC and get lucid

QuoteI have an impossible amount to carry.  I put as much stuff on my back as I can, then ask a girl to finish loading me up.  She keeps grabbing the wrong thing that I want next.  I don't manage to get it all in one load, and I have to walk quite a ways.  As I start, I realize I should have asked the guy to come help me when he called. Pff, annoying girl! A lot of confusion and annoyance for you, last night. I wish you better dreams tonight (with a handsome grandpa )

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:29:07 AMI lost almost everything last night.  Didn't wake up to make notes, so I've only got the end of the dream I woke up with.

(Bu looks skywards and whistles nonchalantly to himself)

QuoteVery Trusting

I'm at a university.  I do to the doctor with a guy.  He has a skin condition, and I see he has little parasitic bugs all over in his skin.  He takes off his clothes, and I help the doctor remove the bugs.

He goes back to my apartment to wait for me.  We are going to drive somewhere together.  I have to go pick up some stuff.  I call him and tell him I'll be a little while getting back.  After I do, I realize he answered the phone in my apartment, which seems weird in a way.  I think about him being in there with all my stuff.  There's nothing of value; I'm more worried about him looking thru it than stealing it, but I figure it would be OK.  I try to imagine if I were in a stranger's apartment all alone, would I look at their stuff?  I decide I wouldn't.  Probably not anyway.

Sounds like you have an urge to, though.

QuoteI have an impossible amount to carry.  I put as much stuff on my back as I can, then ask a girl to finish loading me up.  She keeps grabbing the wrong thing that I want next.  I don't manage to get it all in one load, and I have to walk quite a ways.  As I start, I realize I should have asked the guy to come help me when he called.

I wonder what this says about how you construe girls and guys generally?

Hey MB, you forgot to put your dream in the dream-catcher

Quote from: Sara on December 03, 2008, 08:36:04 AMThat IS weird. You have a lot of those 'hmm, that is weird' thoughts in your dreams. Can't be long before you finally do an RC and get lucid I wonder why I fail to do that so often.  Like 99.99% of the time.  I don't know how somebody who thinks about dreaming as much as me can forget so often.

No more!  (I hope.)

QuoteA lot of confusion and annoyance for you, last night. I wish you better dreams tonight (with a handsome grandpa )

I know who I'm gonna blame if I have a geriatric sex dream!  (But if I get lucid cuz of it, you'll get the credit.)

(Thanks for the reminder!  You know I actually thought about that at work today, but forgot it again, so thanks.  Just a frag, I think.)

Quote from: Burned up on December 03, 2008, 04:07:46 PM(Bu looks skywards and whistles nonchalantly to himself) Serves me right.

QuoteSounds like you have an urge to, though. Maybe, I guess.  I'd only look at the books, I think.

QuoteI wonder what this says about how you construe girls and guys generally?

I didn't feel like I knew him well enough to ask for help, in a way, even tho I went to the doctor with him and he was at my house.  I would have asked for help otherwise.  Is that what you mean?

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: Burned up on December 03, 2008, 04:07:46 PM(Bu looks skywards and whistles nonchalantly to himself) Serves me right.

Quote from: Pancaka on December 03, 2008, 07:29:49 PMQuote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: Burned up on December 03, 2008, 04:07:46 PM(Bu looks skywards and whistles nonchalantly to himself) Serves me right.

I was giving Bu a little pep-talk yesterday, telling him that I didn't think he was trying hard enough with his recall, since he had so many fragments that didn't have enough detail.  So what happens to me?  I have a night where I hardly remember anything.

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:35:13 PMQuote from: Pancaka on December 03, 2008, 07:29:49 PMQuote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:19:06 PMQuote from: Burned up on December 03, 2008, 04:07:46 PM(Bu looks skywards and whistles nonchalantly to himself) Serves me right.

I was giving Bu a little pep-talk yesterday, telling him that I didn't think he was trying hard enough with his recall, since he had so many fragments that didn't have enough detail.  So what happens to me?  I have a night where I hardly remember anything. You should apply that logic and tell someone with lots of recall and lucids that they recall too much. Like, oh, say, iadr.  (JK iadr)

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:18:10 AMQuote from: Sara on December 03, 2008, 06:38:28 AMOhhh, I can agree with that theory! Sometimes my dreams have a clear story, but often (especially the past week) it's like fragment after fragment and I can't find the links between them. And once I do link some fragments, it's like 'yeah, that's really how it was' and I remember it like a real dream, even though I don't know if it really was like that. I know, me too.  Sometimes it does seem like a more definite story, and I don't think there would be any other way to interpret it; but a lot of times it's kind of vague until I think, oh, that's what must have been going on when this or that weird thing happened, or that image appeared for a moment. Sometimes what I thought were fragments suddenly appear to be unified in some coherent way. It's not that I'm trying to find connections; I'll remember some factor or circumstance that I realize underlies them all.

QuoteTil they build the dream recorder. That might be too weird.

Quote from: mu on December 04, 2008, 01:06:25 AMYou should apply that logic and tell someone with lots of recall and lucids that they recall too much. Like, oh, say, iadr.  (JK iadr) Excellent idea.  After last night I think I'll try that.

Quote from: Moonbeam on December 03, 2008, 07:18:10 AMSometimes what I thought were fragments suddenly appear to be unified in some coherent way. It's not that I'm trying to find connections; I'll remember some factor or circumstance that I realize underlies them all. Sometimes that happens to me too, sometimes I think I'm connecting them, but I guess usually there are some things in common from one to the next.

QuoteTil they build the dream recorder. QuoteThat might be too weird.

I don't know.  We'd have to be able to censor it.  Or what if we found out our dreams were really boring?

I'm not doing too well here.  I didn't write anything down again.

Here's one that I remember from when I was a kid (speaking of scary things we dreamed of then; I think the giant was a repeating thing, but always only foot-steps):

The Giant

We're camping, but in a field of tall grass, instead of the woods as usual.  The wind is blowing and the sky is gray and swirly and there seems to be a storm coming.  Far off in the distance, I hear muffled foot-steps.  A giant is coming!  Dad is running around trying to get all the stuff packed up, and he tells us to sit in the truck and wait.  The foot-steps are approaching.  As we sit in the truck, nobody in the driver's seat yet, it starts to roll forward, slowly.  We can't stop it! It goes over a cliff that was right in front of it!  Oh no, we're going to die!

The truck lands softly in the the branches of a tall tree, and sways back and forth.  It's so amazing that I realize it's a dream.

Lucidity?  As a child?

My repeating horror as a child was escalators - high, narrow, steep, fast and often rail-less escalators.

Quote from: Mes Tarrant on March 25, 2009, 12:13:57 AMAre you pretty happy these days? I suddenly had a thought that maybe when we're having regular, happy kind of days, we remember the bad dreams much better than the good ones because they're a contrast to what we're used to in daily life... ?

No, I'm not happy!  I've only been lucid like once in the last month!

Besides that, same as usual.  My theory is that my dreams are reverting to regular dreams, for unknown reasons.  I read that 70% of regular dreams have negative emotions.  Lucid dreaming seems to get rid of those, a lot of them anyway.  Mine seem to be going back to how they were before I started getting lucid.  Another bad sign.

Quote from: mu on March 25, 2009, 12:25:25 AMEach seems to consist of strange surroundings with a DC doing something peculiar? Then the "something peculiar" turns to something that involves MB? Not sure, but I know what you mean here. Lol, that describes all dreams, I think.

Quote from: Moonbeam on March 24, 2009, 06:59:11 AMYeah, they do. They seem very aware of you, like they're waiting to see what you do. I had one hanging out watching me on the computer not long ago. It was crawling back and forth, and kept turning around looking at me. I know, like they can think, and they can realize if you are a spider-killer or not.

QuotePraying mantises, (I looked it up ) are pretty damn cool too. Those things show up in the weirdest places. I know!  Like on the outside of the window way up high somewhere.  It's like, whoa, a giant praying mantis on the window!

QuoteYou had a tarantula?!  I had an ant farm once..

You had an ant-farm?!

Fang lived a long time, and got very huge.  She shed her skin for maybe twice a year for like ten years, and she wasn't little when I first got her.   She was fun to get out when people were sitting around, you remember when people just sat around, not doing much, how people used to do a long time ago, times like that, Fang would liven things up.

I remember sitting around - usually with the help of some kind of psycho-reactive something or other.

I had this theory that a some of the music that really came into vogue in our time would never have had a chance in today's world because people don't spend a lot of time just sitting around investing enough attention to "get it".  This includes most of what we'd call "art rock" and even a lot of Dylan.  The stuff that survives on those classic rock stations isn't the epic, gorgeous, complex stuff for the most part. . . early Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, King Crimson and the like.  It's mostly the short, catchy stuff with an easy hook.

Quote from: pj on March 25, 2009, 07:10:24 AMI remember sitting around - usually with the help of some kind of psycho-reactive something or other. Yea, times like that, before anything else was invented.

QuoteI had this theory that a some of the music that really came into vogue in our time would never have had a chance in today's world because people don't spend a lot of time just sitting around investing enough attention to "get it".  This includes most of what we'd call "art rock" and even a lot of Dylan.  The stuff that survives on those classic rock stations isn't the epic, gorgeous, complex stuff for the most part. . . early Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, King Crimson and the like.  It's mostly the short, catchy stuff with an easy hook. I don't know if people just sit around doing nothing anymore.  Probably not, probably they play games, and the games have their own music.  So you're probably right.

Quote from: Mes Tarrant on March 25, 2009, 12:13:57 AMQuote from: Moonbeam on March 24, 2009, 07:06:39 PMAll my dreams are somewhat disturbed recently, it seems. (No idea why.)

Are you pretty happy these days? I suddenly had a thought that maybe when we're having regular, happy kind of days, we remember the bad dreams much better than the good ones because they're a contrast to what we're used to in daily life... ?

Yes I have noticed that kind of thing happening too.  Certainly the reverse is true - when times are bad the dreams are better!

Wait, 70% of dreams are negative?  What, why?

I've heard that most dreams are about mundane activities (brushing teeth, driving to work, etc). So one of these theories has gotta be wrong.. unless mundane activities constitute as negative. Which is quite possible.