Patricia, where in the world do you get these ideas? I've never heard this one before. Do you just "dream" them up, or do you have a secret source?

Paul

Makes sense. All this massageing the scalp increases circulation and the brain needs a blood suply..may have some conection? Tom

Actually, the scalp circulation (external carotid artery) and brain circulation (internal carotid/vertebral arteries) may have a physiologic connection, although I don't think it is known for sure, or even been studied scientifically. Control of brain blood flow is a very complex process based on many factors, like regional brain metabolic activity, serum pH, blood pressure, oxygen tension in the blood, and a host of others. Just how important mechanical effects in the scalp would be compared to these is open to debate. I would bet the effect is more psychological than physiologic. It would be an interesting study to do, in either case.

Paul

Patricia,

That is a fascinating approach to enhancing lucidity. I will try it, and hopefully not pull out any hairs!

This slight hair pulling reminded me of a Tibetan Buddhist technique for Phowa,( transference of consciousness) when at death one shoots their spirit out through the crown of the head, where the cranium has the intersecting aperatures. When being assisted in Phowa, the person will tug hairs slightly on the crown of the dying person's head, so that awareness is concentrated at this point on the head.

There is one thing I've noticed from time to time when I take a daytime nap on a particular sofa. I rest my head and neck on the side arm portion which is raised. The sofa is leather and a bit firm, but what I noticed was that the pressure at the base of my scalp helped enhance lucidity, but also seemed to put that part of my head asleep, like almost numb there. Somehow it was easier to fall into a WILD in this position, and I wondered if it was the pressure on that portion of my neck and scalp. Has anyone ever noticed that when one starts feeling that REM numbness and buzzing that it comes from the lower head, base of scalp region? It does for me anyway.

Eve

Source of Scalp Stimulation:Eve,Paul, I went to visit a friend of mine about a week ago and she mentioned that a Yoga contact of hers said to try the method of stimulating scalp by pulling at roots of hair for increased dreaming. I experimented as it was fairly simple to do and at no cost. Why not and since it worked now eight nights in a row I do not believe it is psychological, but more towards physiological. I dream regularly anyway, but nothing like what is going on now. Maybe I am having such success with this due to my scalp being thinner in texture and therefore nerve reception is better. Who knows? I did elaborate more in my explanation as to how to conduct the experiment though than what was mentioned so people really get the message to move scalp away from skull as that is more intensive.

If it were psychological then I should be Lucid Dreaming just as frequently since I want to do that more than anything else. I still believe that for me anyway that most of my Lucid Dreams are more physiological than psychological. Granted I use MILD every day and repeat frequently, I Desire to Remember to Recognize That I am Dreaming etc., but with my mind when I become Lucid I just am. I don't normally use dream signs, it is more like a switch goes off somehow, someway in the brain and I am just lucid. Now I have had dreamsigns and reasoned thru my lucidity; its just that most of the time that is not the way it is, I am just plain Lucid in the Dream.

Now here is something I have Dreamed Up as I do that too Technique Wise. To Spin Lucidity off from this Scalp Technique I will try the following~~~~~ On the weekend when I can sleep longer and less pressure to do other things, I plan on using the Body Pillow I purchased along with a Vibrational Neck Pillow that goes around the neck like a horseshoe and sleep on my back after 5 hours of regular sleep and of course I will do the Scalp Stimulation Exercise beforehand. See all of my LDs are on my back. The problem is I am not as comfortable sleeping that way and I have a tendancy to just go back on the stomach which is most comfortable. I believe the Vibrational Neck Pillow will activate my nerves in that area even more and hopefully induce Lucidity with more frequency and comfort.

Eve, I just read your post and it seems like there is something to this:: with the Massaging Vibrating Neck Pillow activating nerves near the base of the head it seems to coincide with the information you have and may just work!! I'll keep everyone posted.

Happy Dreaming, Patricia

Patricia, here's a possible reason this is psychological. As you know, dream recall can be improved simply by using the bedtime affirmation that tonight I will remember my dreams. My dream recall when I do that is terrific, but poorer if I don't (If I understand you correctly, you are increasing dream recall, but not yet lucidity per se using this technique.)

Now, pulling at your hair at bedtime with the desire to increase dream recall is like an AFFIRMATION ON STEROIDS! Not only are you focusing on your intention to remember your dreams, you are adding a somewhat uncomfortable sensation to, pardon the pun, drill it into your head (I tried it, and it is uncomfortable.)

It did indeed produce better dream recall for me when I tried it. Being the eternal skeptic, however, until someone can show me how it could be physiologic, I remain doubtful.

As an experiment, we could try to do the same thing but using a different uncomfortable stimulus, say gently pinching ourselves, and see if that doesn't accomplish the same thing.

Not that it really matters, as long as it works...

Paul

Patricia and all,

Well, I tried the hair pulling at the base of my scalp on one of my later awakenings, around 4:45 am this morning. I had also taken some DMAE and Hyperaazine A earlier in the night around 1:30.(This doesn't always work for lucidity, but seemed to help a little)

Well , I did my affirmation that I'd have a lucid dream and also an intention on what to do once lucid. I was very aware when a dreamscape started being created, first imagery and then it got more real. I was aware and lucid through 4 dreamscape shifts, although my memory of two of them faded. The other two were active with my intention, doing a mantra. I would say this worked for me, but I dont know if it will work again.

I also had another LD type of nap in the position with scalp under a firm pillow arm rest on my sofa today. So that is two lucid dreams in a day! Cool! Like you Patricia, my dreams simply become lucid almost like a switching on, and rarely with dreamsigns or abnormal events.I almost always sleep on my back.

What really amazed me this morning was how I could watch several dreamscapes unfold into dreams, and then take part in them.I also tried to do a shape shift thing, into a ball of light but Im not sure it worked.

Eve

Eve, in my last LD which I posted I forgot to mention I also tried to shapeshift into a bird while I was flying, but all I succeeded in doing was tiring my arms out.

I tried the scalp thing again last night, but I only remembered one late-Rem period dream, which is about my usual.

I am going to concentrate for awhile on Stephen's idea of practicing LD intention while in the dream state. This sounds like it could be immensely productive.

Paul

Patricia..I tryed the hair pulling thing.And my first dream 12:30 one and a half hours after I went to sleep was very vivid and clear and easy to recall and the last one I remembered at 4:50 in the morning was almost as strong.. In the first dream I remembered an extreemly strong visual of a wooded area with a river near by down a hill below my uncles house..As I looked into the woods It felt like super wakeing reality!It was so clear and real looking.. I was impressed by that high quality of a dream even though I dont remember being aware I was dreaming..Or mabey it was the quality of the [dream recall? Id say there was an improvement in dream quality or recall..That improved? Patricia how long do you do your hair stimulation? Also I wonder If jusy masaging the scalp would give the same results??? cheers Tom..

Paul,

Is the LD intention within a lucid dream suposed to enhance memory of the lucid dreams even more? Is this related to the state dependent memory theory?

Ive noticed my dream recall isn't as good as it could be, even lucid ones I can forget easily. BTW--I tried the hair pulling again for the past two nights and had no lucid dreams, but I did find myself doing the intention I planned, yet didn't get lucid!

I think that rotating--doing different lucidity inducers seems to be more effective for me now.

Has anyone ever done a self affirmation of better lucidity while in a lucid dream--to see if this works better for increased lucid dreams?

Eve

Hi Tom, Length of Time For Scalp Stimulation:

Each night since my friend told me about this method all I do is for about 1 minute maybe 2 minutes is pull my hair at the roots all around the scalp, I also twist so as to move the scalp around. It actually feels good ( I know Paul seemed to feel it was uncomfortable). Actually the sensations are very relaxing after. I go to bed about 5-10 minutes later.

You could try massaging, but I don't think that is going to activate the nerves as much which is most likely giving you such enhanced results. I have been doing this for 10 nights in a row now and see improvement, not that I needed any improvement. Dreaming is just so much more vivid and intense. No Lucidity yet though.

I know Paul thinks that this is still Psychological, but I disagree. I even had my doubts that it would work when I first heard about it and surprisingly enough it did. (Now I hope no-one stakes the claim, "It must be Reverse Psychology then"! I definitely feel (at least for me) that this exercise physically stimulates the brain enough before bedtime to enable our consciousness to become more aware as far as memory is concerned upon awakening. Who'd have thought that pulling your hair out could be so much fun!

Now I agree with Paul that Absolute Intention To Remember To Recognize That One Is Dreaming" is a Very Powerful Subconscious Tool, but I really think just as the Root Pulling Thing Enhances Dreaming Memory there is equally a Trigger/Switch in the Brain to Allow Lucidity and I am Working on that Theory.

Cheers To You Too,Patricia

Eve, Doesn't the DMAE with Huperzine A give you practically guaranteed Lucid Dreams? I remember you mentioning this earlier, not about guaranteed, but I got the impression they were more frequent?

Patricia

Patrrcia and all...I wonder what is exactly going on when one pulls on hair roots..It would seem a nerve responce mechinism is going on when one feels the pain..I just wonder If a small electrical charge is involved with the nerve responce? If so could it have any direct stimulization to the brain..Dr Paul what do you think? And does it matter what area of the scalp you stimulate? Could diferent areas of the scalp efect diferent areas of the brain like areas of vision or emotion or dream centers??I guess Im thinking science fiction tonight..cheers..tom

Pat, Tom, et.al. I don't dismiss the possibility of a physiologic link, but until and unless it can be explained, I rely on the rule of parsimony, or Occam's Rule, that the simplest explanation is most likely correct. Knowing the power of intention and other purely psychological effects on dream recall (e.g., why should keeping a dream journal improve dream recall? Purely psychological, I think, having to do with intention and attention), it seems simpler to posit a mechanism such as the one I proposed, or perhaps something similar. I'm not stating a certainty, just an alternative theory. I do keep an open mind. I would like to see you try a control, say, practice your intention to remember your dreams for the same time interval, 1-2 minutes, but without the hair pulling.

Eve, yes indeed, it has everything to do with state-dependent memory. If we practice our intention to remember in the dream state, maybe we could access that memory better in the dream state. Now that makes logical sense to me and seems definitely worth exploring. I truly believe the only thing that holds any of us back from lucidity at will is our failure to remember our intention to recognize when we are dreaming. I'm making it my dream camp personal project.

I don't think this is about enhancing LD recall per se, only remembering intention. However, with respect to your having some trouble remembering LDs, as I have also, let me reiterate a technique I just discovered and posted last week to enhance recall.

I found that in long LDs, as mine are, when I took a few seconds of dream time to stop and review what adventure I just had before going on to another one, just a brief rehash mentally of a key event, I awoke with much better memory of what happened. Something like, "I just tried to morph into a bird" is all it took to recall the whole experience afterward. It might work for you.

I've got to work on clipping these long posts (sigh)!

Paul

Patricia,

You asked" Eve, Doesn't the DMAE with Huperzine A give you practically guaranteed Lucid Dreams? I remember you mentioning this earlier, "

It has worked maybe two or three times, but not in every night that I take it. I try not to take it every night and switch around with different supplements so that I dont get habituated to them. It seemd to work really well the morning I did the hair pulling for the first time and had taken DMAE/Hyperazine A combo.

Eve

Hi, y'all!

I had another LD this morning, which means I'm 2 for 2 this week using the get up at 4am, stay up 1 hour, then go back to sleep doing MILD (Patricia, FYI, I watched a little bit of "Girls Gone Wild" on the TV, which for me is a lot like pulling my hair!)

This LD was a DILD that began out of a really disturbing nonLucid dream about family relationships, my typical nightmare. Like you, nothing particular triggered lucidity, it just happened. I got to practice my intention to remember to recognize that I'm dreaming while in the lucid dream. I also worked on max lucidity, repeatedly reminding myself that everything I see is a dream. I included my own dream body in this, checking my hands, which felt truly solid. I must say, doing this made the dream much less interesting, since all I experienced was myself repeating, "This is all a dream..." over and over. How boring!

Concentrating on the intention phrase caused the dream to begin to fade, and I had to stop and refocus my attention on the scene and spin a bit. Then I had a little anxiety, I'm not sure why, but I allowed it to play out, and nothing scary showed up. After this lucidity was harder to maintain, and I don't recall much, except I went through a few false awakenings with lucidity recuring each time briefly, before my alarm woke me at 8am.

It was a very weird dream experience, for some reason, and I awoke a bit dazed and confused, but happy anyway for it.

Paul

Paul,

Great for you! Maybe now is a good lucid dream cluster time. I will try what you suggest with the lucid dream intention within a lucid dream so to increase the recognition of dreams as such.

Speaking of state dependent memory, have anyone ever been to a specific dream place that once you get there you remember in the dream you've been there before many times?

Eve

Eve, I don't think that I've ever experienced that, have you? Either I have visited a place more than once and just don't remember it, or maybe I've really never been to the same place twice. In either case I can't recall it happening. Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever even thought about a previous lucid experience in any lucid dream, have you?

Paul

Paul,

I've had a few dreams where I re visit the same dream place and I remember it in the dream. The last time I had that experience was when I found myself in this coastal plaza area and in order to get to my desired location I had to dive into the water and then I ended up in a new dreamscape. For me, when I dive into water, like oceans in a dream, it either causes lucidity or I end up in a new dreamscape.

Last night I had a very brief lucid moment in a dream and I hesitated on what i wanted my intention to be. Just by hesitating, I lost lucidity!

But to answer your question, Ive had lucid dreams where I inquire about previous lucid dreams or vivid ones I didn't understand. Maybe this too enhances state dependent memory.

As I was jogging today a unusual thing happened.. as I ran across this field I was recalling one dream after another for about an hour..I think I totaled about 40 or more dreams many ranging back two years.. I did notice for about a week prior dreams would come to me on there own when I least expected it every once and awhile as I did every day normal activitys.. I tryed to recall dreams [that happened] that I never recalled that I totaly missed but that did not work since there was no concious memory of them..It seems that dreams I recorded for last three and one half years are starting to surface on their own in my daily consciousness.. I dont know why?? Can speeding up my heart rate and other functions be efecting me in a positive way to grab these dream memorys so fast? They are also coming to my conscious mind at a slower but constant rate on there own every day when Im not exercizing too.. This kind of dream recall never used to happen this way..When I wanted to remember them I would have to try hard to remember or read my journal.. I guess this Is a good thing??Anyone else experianced this kind of thing.. cheers..Tom

Tom, wow, that's pretty amazing! I wonder if endorphin release in the brain that occurs with distance running could have something to do with it. I used to run also, though, and I can't recall this happening. However, I had no interest in dreams at the time.

Paul

Dreamers:

This is all very interesting stuff, and I understand that much is coming up in the flow of conversation, but your fellow TLI members would appreciate it if you would post these thoughts in relevent forum subtopics, rather than in a "Dreams in General" topic tucked away in the Post Your Lucid Dreams forum.

For instance, talk of DMAE could be in "Your Diet and Your Dreams," in the Research, Theory, and L.I. Experiments forum. Chat about the critical topic of memory has turned up as an aside in countless threads without ever having a thread of its own, so feel free to create one!

I know this is an inconvenience, and risks a stutter in the conversation you folks are enjoying, but those who browse specific forum topics, and that vast chunk of members who just read the forum without heeding posting dates would benefit deeply if you make the effort to post these fascinating conversations under specific topics. Otherwise, your thoughts might remain unread by them.

Thank you so much for your consideration of this, and for your continued thoughtful posts,

Peter

TLI Forum Moderator

Paul you said (Patricia, FYI, I watched a little bit of "Girls Gone Wild" on the TV, which for me is a lot like pulling my hair!) Not really sure where to put my response so I'll continue here. Peter~~you may move it to a more appropriate place and let Paul know.

No Pun Intended: If what you said above is true then you are having better luck than I am as I am not having any LDs with this catalyst yet. "Girls Gone Wild" could be interpreted as "Girls Gone Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming"

I even tried while going thru the "hair root pulling exercise before bed" repeating to myself that standard verbage of " Next Time I am Dreaming I Will Remember To Recognize That I Am Dreaming" or something similar and that did not work. However, the Dream Recall and Intensity is Still There For Me!!!! AMAZING!! It is like I have a whole other life going on at night now since I started, but I really wish I were Lucid during all of it.

I always automatically say these types of reinforcements with absolute intention, but they don't work yet at will???? Prospective Memory has proven to be extremely effective and a technique to be used with LD results at will obviously reported by Dr. LaBerge. I am not sure how old you are, but do you find that you need Acetylcholine to help with the MILD method? Dr. LaBerge has also mentioned that we manufacture less of this key neurotransmitter as we age. Just wondering as you seem to have frequent LDs.

Happy Dreaming, Patricia

Patricia... when you do your next [intent] before sleep you may want to try saying something a little shorter and simpler..Repeate this phrase over..[Im SLEEPING..THIS IS A DREAM] see what happens.. I think the simpler the phrase the better..Or the phrase in stephens book..One..Im Dreaming..two..Im dreaming..three Im dreaming ..keep saying this over and over till you find yourself in a dream..I like you have constant dreams every night and morning many are VERY VIVID!And I remember most of them.. But often [lucidity]Is the fox that hides and eludes..I think the key is in how you remember your dreams...Also another factor is how important are your dreams to you? good luck..Tom

Patricia, are you asking me to reveal my actual age??? Let's just say that I'm NOT SO OLD that "Girls Gone Wild" has no fascination for me. On the other hand, watching it is like pulling my hair, because men my age tend to be invisible to the average Girl Gone Wild. In any case, it was really just a little joke.

But getting back to the point, I don't take any endogenous acetylcholinesterase inhibitors like galantamine. In fact, I'm doubly hampered in my efforts at lucid dreaming by a requirement to take medications that actually inhibit REM sleep and also by the need to use a CPAP machine for sleep apnea all night.

I do believe that with my practice, intention, and interest, if I were younger, I would probably have progressed a bit faster. but I'm not complaining. Three or 4 LDs a month is all I usually have. It took 3 years of practice to have my first, so why should I be dissatisfied? And they are increasing, albeit slowly.

It's interesting what you say about improving dream recall not necessarily producing more LDs. I believe that there is only so much that dream recall can contribute to success. It's essential at first to improve recall, but after a while the effect must plateau, and other factors become more important. It may even have a NEGATIVE effect, and your expressions of dismay are exactly what I mean. Now you really see just how many opportunies for lucidity you're missing, right? How annoying! Maybe ignorance IS bliss.

Here's what I would suggest. Relax about the dream recall a bit. It's always there when you need it. Focus all efforts at lucidity during the longest REM periods, late morning for example. Don't push for lucidity at other times, and don't think about it at all. Obsession is a block to success, I'm sure. Wake up early (I use 4am), stay up an hour, and go back to sleep. If you recall a dream on awakening, use it to practice MILD. With your talent (and youth) you shouldn't fail to have an LD every single time you do this.

I'm truly sad that you're not coming to camp.

Paul

ps: I'm 57, actually.

Thank you Tom and Paul for your suggestions and advice. Paul - I am not as young as you think either, it is actually posted in my Profile and will be going up a number to the big 50! I am headed in your direction which is the best way to go and leading towards total conscious awareness without the cumbersome physically body so mystics tell us! It is great to hear that you are having 4 LDs a month with just the mental exercises. and Tom I agree it is better to keep phrases and also I would say prospective intention short! I tried Last Night just saying. " I am Lucid Dreaming" Well nothing happened except for the now increased dream recall due to hair stretching!

Paul, looks like the proven way to go is with WBTB for an hour and then practice MILD. That is what is ideally suggested, but I am always looking for Short Cuts and other Creations. One of my drawbacks is that I only get about 5 1/2 hours sleep a night. A little longer on the weekends, so I will really need to get serious about my weekend time and just make myself stay up an hour and go back to bed for 3 (about 2 REM periods) at the most opportune time being 4 - 6 am.

It is incredible that with the Sleep Apparatus you have that many LDs. Maybe the REM inhibition somehow is magnified when it does finally hit much like Melatonin's supposed effect. Haven't tried that yet either. I am still into the Visuals and Mental Exercises for induction purposes and it works so far about once a month. My last LD was 5/24/05 so I am slacking.

A good point that Ignorance IS Bliss. I think for most people it is welcoming enough to just get a restful and peaceful sleep, however, that is not good enough for me now that I realize how much I can do in the LD State. There has just got to be some switch that goes off in the Brain somehow to allow for this state to happen, I always keep thinking that and it most likely has something to do with the pineal gland!! I just have to keep safely experimenting!

Many Rewarding Dreams, Patricia

Patricia have you tryed a lucid dream induction device yet like nova dreamer? I have heard a new generation nova dreamer is on its way.. I havent goten lucid for a spell..But I know I will.. And not getting lucid every night doesnt bother me because my normal dreams entertain me enough.. Most people dream on [auto pilot] meaning no manual lucid control..Ive had lots of those kind And some of those dreams were super! Im not sure that memory alone is all one needs to gain critical awareness in a dream..Like Stephens book the world of lucid dreaming says..do reality checks long enough during the day or learn any other mental attitude that would help you become aware that you are dreaming.. when you are dreaming..This is like developing a [habit] during wakeing dayley reality that eventualy should carry through into the dream state hopefully..I think dream induction devices like [nova dreamer can give the dreamer a better chance to become lucid than without any help at all..You might consider trying [ND] unless you already have one.. In my experiance nova dreamer increases ones chances for a [wild] [wake initiated lucid dream] the most.. But can help open the dream doors in other ways too.. I hope this helps... keep trying. Tom

Patricia, why the short sleep times, if I may ask? Is it voluntary or necessary? I myself am a card-carrying night person. I always stay up too late reading until about MN, when I could be in bed and asleep by 10pm. More sleep equals more LDs, especially using WBTB, I've found. A few weeks back I went to bed really tired at 9pm, had four LDs back-to-back after WBTB the next morning. WBTB rarely works unless I get a good 8-10 hours.

Paul

Tom, This is in reference to your recent jogging experience with the release of dream memories. One idea that crossed my mind was that your exertion and breathing may have released a kind of energy block in your system, such that you have now a clearer path to dream recall. Are non dream memories also surfacing?

Sometimes this kind of memory release will happen to people who are working towards healing, or when Reiki, yogic exercises or energy work is done to clear the channels, chakras, etc. Just to be certain it may be a good idea to get your heart checked though.

Eve

Eve my heart is fine ..Ive been running once a day for the last two years.. It seems that when I exercise If I try my dream recall is clearer and more constant dream after dream..When not exercising l recall Is still pretty good but not as fast and memorys not quite as clear at first..As far as non dream memorys a very few but mostly dream memorys..As far as working towards healing..It was morte like working towards staying in good physical shape like I am In now..Happy dreams..Tom

Eve I forgot to mention I am also a ghost hunter of six years experiance..I too am interested in the paranormal as you are..regards Tom..

Tom, please remind me: Does a paranormal beat a para Kings? How about two para?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Paul

Tom,

I'm delighted to hear that you also have interests in the paranormal realm. We will have much to share!

Eve

Hi Tom, You asked if I purchased a NovaDreamer yet. When I joined the Forum they were out of production. I am waiting to see the Specs on the new one which is to come out shortly I believe, but not available for this coming Hawaii Retreat. Thanks for the perseverance comments. I know I will have another LD it's just that it can become annoying playing cat and mouse with my subconsious as to when. I like to be in control of everything in my life including LDs and Paul is right everytime you try to corner or home in on results they don't happen when you want that is why I would somehow like to outsmart the process and figure out exactly what is happening in the brain so I can either eat or take an effective safe substance in a more timely manner.

Paul this brings to mind, have you received the rest of your DreamMaker Pro yet? Just curious. Bruce Geleter had said he did not expect such a turnout as he did for ordering etc.

Happy Dreams, Patricia

Paul, You asked? Why the short sleep times, if I may ask? Is it voluntary or necessary? It is a little of both. I guess from my work schedule and requirements I have been programmed for so long to work at a very fast and accurate pace that I really don't know how to relax, but working on it. Not only that I like keeping my metabolism up. After the work day I am either running errands, doing chores, exercising, visiting etc. and keep myself in a very structured state so as to get everything done I want. Also due to PMS Migraines that surface it has been recommended that I keep my sleep schedule consistant so during the week I get up at 5:00 am and on the weekend 7:00 am and pretty much charge thru the day until 10:00 pm. I do catnap here and there, which is why I probably can operate on 5 1/2 hrs.approx. sleep at night So having an LD once a month on this type of schedule is probably not too bad actually, but even so I am still demanding more of them. I have to get use to not having everything happen at the snap of a finger.

Keep Up The Good Dreaming, Patricia

Patricia, I'd say that was fine, considering your schedule. However, I wonder if you can reasonably expect to improve LD frequency without making some changes, like maybe setting aside one day each week to getting extra sleep( Only, of course, if your health, like those migraines, would permit it.)

I actually don't try very hard to have LDs during the work week, nor do I get concerned if I don't (but sometimes I do!) However, on weekends I allow myself the luxury of staying in bed until 11am or later. I have rich dream experiences and great recall during late morning sleep, with or without WBTB. I can awaken from a dream at least every hour or so of extra sleep, and my chances of having an LD go up exponentially! I've actually logged as many as 11 separate dreams in a single morning's extra sleep.

Paul

Paul, Yes it is logical to assume that I need to allot more time to sleeping in. I didn't continue on about the Migraines, however, they are practically under control and headaches are minimal due to Nadolol, very low dose 40 mg daily.I also take very high quality multivitamin formula for prevention purposes. All my health stats are perfect. Soon the Migraines will be gone anyway from a PMS perspective. It is most likely that physically the blood vessels are sensitive to hormone changes. I feel great most every day now and never get sick. So far so good. I believe eating primarily a Vegan Diet helps as well.

Even though my work schedule is what it is I actually enjoy it too. Just that I try to cram too much into a day. LDs are a priority, but when I wake up in the middle of the night I feel so good in that particular state that I just want to go back to bed again and not stay up an hour. I know I can't have everything when I want it obviously, but sleeping in a little more on weekends or going to bed earlier during the week could help substantially.

Great Dreaming! Patricia

P.S. You wouldn't believe what happened when my Doc and I tried weening me off of the Nadalol for experimental purposes 5 years ago to see if hormones were reacting differently from a blood vessel perspective. Obviously they weren't then so now we will wait till after PMS is gone. Talk about paranormal? That I will post where it belongs in the diet and supplement section. I didn't bother discussing it with that Doc as that is not his field and why bother.

Oh yea, Para Normal not only beats a Para Kings, but it beats everything!