The dilemma with experimenting on death row inmates is the possibility that some are wrongfully accused which happens all the time. But if one was 100% guilty of murder, rape and/or torture, I certainly wouldn't lose sleep knowing they replaced monkeys in the labs. It's more just, and the science would be more accurate too, using an actual human. I find it hard for anyone to disagree. (Key word: 100% guilty).
nesgirl wrote: 15 MONTHS for murdering an innocent child?!
I've tried looking up any case of murder that only had a 15 Month sentence on the internet. I feel like there might be a lot more to it because that does seem like an unprecedented, light sentence.
As for justifying a time to kill oneself.... you know what, I could probably think of a few times when it actually would be the best option. What if you were captured by the Mofia, and knew you would be tortured to death, or were trapped in a dungeon left to starve a slow death, or worse yet, forced to watch the entire Twilight series? Sometimes death is actually less painful than life.
Summerlander wrote: So, according to your advice, they should go ahead and kill themselves? You would actually tell them that there is no place for them in this world and that bullies are invincible? :-P
That's your advice, not mine, the one who says what they are doing in the science labs is completely sane and drowns puppies in the rivers.
Bullies are as of right now pretty well invincible. And I can tell you from my experience what happens if a victim fights back, because I got angry enough several times to fight back. If a person fights back, then the teacher victim cards the bully, and will suspend the victim or even expel the victim from school. There have even been very rare cases where a victim has brought a weapon to school to defend themselves against their bullies, or they use Black Belt Karate moves to defend themselves against their bullies and do you know what happens then? They get put on the news, they play the victim card on the bully, and the victim gets sentenced for life in prison, where they are victimized and raped either permanently, or the victim dies somehow. Although there may be problems for a very few select number of people, who no matter how hard they try, they seem to cheat death each time, and they cannot seem to succeed at it, and it is frustrating for them, because they hate life so bad.
The dilemma with experimenting on death row inmates is the possibility that some are wrongfully accused which happens all the time. But if one was 100% guilty of murder, rape and/or torture, I certainly wouldn't lose sleep knowing they replaced monkeys in the labs. It's more just, and the science would be more accurate too, using an actual human. I find it hard for anyone to disagree. (Key word: 100% guilty).
I believe so as well. Don't forget animal abuse. I think the farmer who drowned the puppies certainly should be experimented upon as well. Very humane for him in my opinion after what he did to them.
I've tried looking up any case of murder that only had a 15 Month sentence on the internet. I feel like there might be a lot more to it because that does seem like an unprecedented, light sentence. They went light on him, because he's an immigrant who crossed the border, and most of the time, Americans tend to go WAY too easy on immigrants who cross the border, just banning them from the country and light jail time for murder, getting free medical care when we have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for it, and sometimes we die of our injuries when we cannot afford it, getting free education when we as citizens have to also pay thousands of dollars for that, etc. This is one of the reason why the USA gets so angry at immigrants, because they are too lazy to get citizenship in our country, and many of our own citizens are left sick, hungry, and dying on the streets because of this problem.
As for justifying a time to kill oneself.... you know what, I could probably think of a few times when it actually would be the best option. What if you were captured by the Mofia, and knew you would be tortured to death, or were trapped in a dungeon left to starve a slow death, or worse yet, forced to watch the entire Twilight series? Sometimes death is actually less painful than life. I think the worst thing for me is being forced into a marriage and having to live with a husband for the rest of my life. I would probably kill myself before the marriage. The only thing worse than being stuck in a marriage for life is the afterlife idea of me losing my asexuality, and then getting married to someone. If I cannot kill myself then by plunging myself into a black hole, then I am stuck in eternal agony.
Yes or how about if a person is slowly dying of cancer and is in a lot of pain? Or how about those starving people in Africa. Personally I think it is a lot less painful to hang yourself than to starve to death. Sometimes to escape a grim fate, it may be a better option.
Summerlander, if I had one dollar for every :D , two dollars for every :P and four dollars for every :mrgreen: you post, I would have enough money to buy a nice used blue car.
Honestly, why can't they include any of these little cuties? : http://www.sherv.net/emoticons/suicide.htm
nesgirl wrote:
HAGART wrote: I've tried looking up any case of murder that only had a 15 Month sentence on the internet. I feel like there might be a lot more to it because that does seem like an unprecedented, light sentence. They went light on him, because he's an immigrant who crossed the border, and most of the time, Americans tend to go WAY too easy on immigrants who cross the border, just banning them from the country and light jail time for murder...
Was it a DUI? I found a case that fits all the descriptions you've given, but the guy got 15 YEARS. I hope that's the case and not 15 MONTHS. Please tell me you were mistaken, and perhaps got 'years' and 'months' confused because it's horrible to know they only got a 15 month sentence. 15 years sounds more plausible.
HAGART wrote: Was it a DUI? I found a case that fits all the descriptions you've given, but the guy got 15 YEARS. I hope that's the case and not 15 MONTHS. Please tell me you were mistaken, and perhaps got 'years' and 'months' confused because that's horrible to know they only got a 15 month sentence.
Erase the post down below, if you would. Yes that's the one. This guy murdered in cold blood. When he realized he murdered my cousin, he showed absolutely no guilt whatsoever, and only tried to get away from authorities. Even at trial, he attempted to defend himself when my family and I knew who killed my cousin, the @#$#@. I thought they said he had been sentenced for 15 months, because there was a thing released that mentioned his trial, however I do know his lawyers and him were working hard to try to bail him out, despite the fact he had murdered my cousin.
Well anyways, I thought maybe we'd look at a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Personality Quiz (I got kicked out of the last topic). http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/938930-pokemon-mystery-dungeon-explorers-of-darkness/faqs/52562 Want to find out which Pokemon you are? Answer the questions, and see what kind of Pokemon you are.
I'll do the Pokemon quiz for fun. :D
I just tried. It's too hard. I can't just click on it, like the lazy bum I am.
I think I'd be a Snorlax. ;)
HAGART wrote: So anyway... let's think happy thoughts shall we?
I loved those DogMan videos you shared in the Megaman Topic. Those were hilarious! Such a weird humor, but I liked it. I didn't know if it was years or months, I was just really angry about the whole thing, as I had a right to be.
If you didn't what the humor in those videos was supposed to be aimed at, I don't get along with one of the users on here, and the humor in that video was supposed to relate to how that person and the "dogman" don't get along because of their differences.
I could say the same thing about these 2 videos as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-j7B_5IP7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ctJ6o6fnxM
You are never going to believe this, but specific religions and anti-religions got really offended by this particular anime series, and it got banned from TV over 40 years ago because of it. It's called Star Blazers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSy0JtBCZMQ&index=1&list=PL5B6BB2B6D604EFA1 I have a question: Does this cartoon at all look like it symbolizes religion in anyway?
I've been editing, and scrambling to switch topics... sorry.
Now everyone's confused by what just happened, but that's good. It's just between us. ;)
HAGART wrote: I'll do the Pokemon quiz for fun. :D
I just tried. It's too hard. I can't just click on it, like the lazy bum I am.
I think I'd be a Snorlax. ;)
It would be easier if you picked up a version of that game for yourself and attempted to take the quiz yourself. Actually if you play through the game, you are in fact put into many situations where you might ask yourself very important questions. This video for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Kx1JSIgKI When you play through the game, you play through your quest, and ultimately you find out what your ultimate goal is, even with the Pokemon you pick, and you even create a platonic (possibly a queerplatonic) friendship with the Pokemon who is with you. Then according to this video, you find out that by saving the world and restore balance from a Pokemon whom is formally your friend, this will ultimately cost you your life and the life of your previous friend. In knowing this, obviously most players would be willing to accept their fate anyways and go through with saving the world. This then treats you to this ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2dlKNrnZ84 You as the player are now dying, having kept your platonic/queerplatonic friend in the dark about the fact you are going to die this whole time, and the platonic/queerplatonic has to watch in tears as you slowly cease to exist, telling your partner your last words. This was almost one of the hardest endings for me to watch in nearly all video games. You actually watch after your main character (YOU) dies, as your platonic friend grieves for you, and even some of the other characters are grieving for you.
This combined with the other ending really makes you think....what would I do if I was in this situation? If you think carefully about what is happening with this game, it is almost what you could really happen in reality if something did happen to you. That is almost the frightening part of that game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUHBmku0PeY
1:34:57-1:39:06 Despite the fact I dislike romantic stories, this one got to me in a big way. The Pokemon in the future are all facing an apocalypse and dying because they worked hard to change the present. The whole Grovyle and Celebi thing at the very end made a much better tragedy than Titanic, showing them both dying together with Grovyle holding Celebi in his arms as they were both meeting their end. I wouldn't watch the complete ending, because if Arceus was involved in that ending, then I don't they ended up where you think.
I never played any Pokemon games, but the TV show in the early 2000's was a guilty pleasure of mine, I must admit. I was in my early 20's, but found it highly entertaining. I was way too old and the rest of my family thought I was weird, but I have two sides: one that likes to get deep in thought, and one that loves to just enjoy fun cartoons.
I never really feel much for the characters when I play a game, but knowing you're Thanatophobic, I can understand how that final scene may trouble you more than most.
I don't know what my Pokemon personality would be, but I do believe the main characters, like any story, are rounded characters, not flat ones (a literary term). Flat ones are 2D and don't change, rounded ones have more personality and can even change through the course of a story. (Pokemon evolve.) Dugtrio for example seems like a complete idiot with no mind (like a few DC's I've met), but Squirtle has some character. 8-) (others won't get the sunglasses reference). And Charizard basically went through puberty and grew up too fast to be tamed anymore, like a teenager.
I will actually argue that the show had depth and was a good story arc with a few poignant moments. I wouldn't have watched it if it didn't. The new ones are horrible, and should have ended after Misty left.
I bet you all didn't know I'm a closet Pokemon fan did you? When it comes to the old-school ones, I watched it a lot. It's been over a decade, but it comes back when I start thinking about it.
Pokemon is a global sensation for a reason. They did something right. It's hard to pin-point exactly what it is though. There's just something about it. Je ne sais quoi.
I could have a serious discussion about anything can't I? :geek:
Yes, you can.
So, I was thinking about the desire that many people have and that is raising (or lowering) other people's consciousness in the same level that they see the world. If you really think about it, you will be able to understand the reason though. They are really afraid of whether their consciousness has a really good impact out of their own mind or if it's strong enough to endure. I have met a lot of people like this and they all fail to realize that. But, I never met anyone who will just accept that he doesn't understand a single thing.
After all, the "enlightenment" thing is just an illusion, isn't it? That very desire is catastrophic (or not).
HAGART wrote: I never really feel much for the characters when I play a game, but knowing you're Thanatophobic, I can understand how that final scene may trouble you more than most.
That Pokemon story just has some lines that made me think about some things or situations like I would if I were to face them. Mystery Dungeon was originally a role-playing game about humans who went on a quest, and the dungeons would change randomly. And they would always change the story to some touching story. They changed the characters into Pokemon, because of the whole franchise being about Pokemon (so in other words, your player was originally a human like it said, but they transformed the player into a Pokemon, however just about everything else is based on the actions the humans did in the other Mystery Dungeon games. Some of the attacks are based on weapon or wrestling attacks). This is almost why it seems kind of odd that the Pokemon are behaving like humans in the series, because most of the time, like in the series, the Pokemon are MEANT to behave like animals. You don't seem to understand what it is that really bothers me. I was upset by the whole thing in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon because I really get upset thinking others are going to cry over me like that, and think carefully of what you see in one of those Mystery Dungeon videos, as in one of them, that player is consistently mourning over their friend's death. In that mystery dungeon game, that is supposed to be implied it is your friend mourning over your death, and that there is a bit of a funeral. It isn't death that bothers me at all. I don't know, it makes me feel so guilty that if I had a queerplatonic friend, they might go a little too extreme with the grieving if I were to cease to exist, making it that much more uncomfortable. I really wish for them to understand that makes me feel uncomfortable, and I wouldn't want that. Okay I found out why the whole ending is so dramatic and all. The whole relationship in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon that is built up is supposed to be based off of a queerplatonic friendship (the majority of the time, players often pick Pokemon of the opposite gender, further supporting my hypothesis), how the time is spent building up that very important friendship. The fact these 2 are even sleeping in exactly the same room together, and are confidence building with each other further supports my theory they are much more than regular platonic friends. This being the case, a queerplatonic friendship is a committed friendship that lasts until one of them dies. However when this happens, because of how long usually the friendship lasts and how much time and commitment is spent cementing that friendship, it feels like a huge part of the person who is left has been shattered, so the grief from the person who lost a queerplatonic friend is probably going to last a heck of a lot longer than with just a normal friendship, and sometimes if it lasted long enough, they can never really get over it.
I really like these Pokemon Mystery Dungeon fan videos, but it tells you more of how the fans see that part of the game where the player dies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFGPq3y4bHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmsFRzdH0g