I don't know if you read it, nesgirl, but in the "Personality Thread", I suggested you stay away from those who upset you.
There's a nifty feature on this forum that allows you to issue your own 'restraining order'. Just go to the User Control Panel (by clicking on your name in the upper right), click on the [Friends & Foes] tab, [Manage Foes], and add Summerlander and DeschainXIX to your list. All their posts will appear like this:
This post was made by [User Name] who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
As long as you don't click, "Display this post", you can live peacefully on this forum and pretend they don't exist. It's essentially like kicking them off the forum which I'm sure you'd love to do.
Bravo, Hagart, bravo!!! :-D ^^^
But then she'd have two less people to complain to! :o :P (The problem, of course, is that we give her more attention than she deserves, and that is precisely what she wants.)
I'm more or less reconciled with the fact that you can't reason with someone so at home with psychosis. At the very least, nesgirl, please, please, start proofreading your fatuous little posts before submitting them, so that they're not so rhetorically painful to read.
Also--and this one really had me laughing, both for its obscenely misconstructing nature and its self-paradoxical one--lacking a sufficient education doesn't make someone, as you say rather misguidedly, "retarded." Lacking an education doesn't make a person have a neurologically-depressing disorder. (And, I'll anticipate your next rant with a single sentence: Depression does not mean "sadness," nesgirl.)
HAGART wrote: I don't know if you read it, nesgirl, but in the "Personality Thread", I suggested you stay away from those who upset you.
There's a nifty feature on this forum that allows you to issue your own 'restraining order'. Just go to the User Control Panel (by clicking on your name in the upper right), click on the [Friends & Foes] tab, [Manage Foes], and add Summerlander and DeschainXIX to your list. All their posts will appear like this:
This post was made by [User Name] who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.
As long as you don't click, "Display this post", you can live peacefully on this forum and pretend they don't exist. It's essentially like kicking them off the forum which I'm sure you'd love to do.
I tried blocking one of them before, I really did, however, you CANNOT block them from PMing you unfortunately, and one of them came and started flaming me before in my PMs.
I keep trying to have Peter ban me, but nothing. I am wondering... is there only one true permanent way out? Is there ever only going to be that only one true way out of being bullied?
Also--and this one really had me laughing, both for its obscenely misconstructing nature and its self-paradoxical one--lacking a sufficient education doesn't make someone, as you say rather misguidedly, "retarded." Lacking an education doesn't make a person have a neurologically-depressing disorder. (And, I'll anticipate your next rant with a single sentence: Depression does not mean "sadness," nesgirl.)
I would rather not have you 2 to complain at at all if I could help it. This is what you make me feel like doing nearly every time I talk to you (and most of those if you could not see were intentional): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4A_18kf4PY
Some people are as you say "Retarded" and I do feel like you are implying I am that. Also some people who are retarded are capable of typing on the computer, in case you didn't know this. I knew a few of them who could. Peter Griffin is a good example of someone who is retarded (his IQ was tested and it clearly showed he was) as is his son. So is Patrick Star. All of them were at least capable of doing something. Retarded usually means the IQ is >80 or lower, however it doesn't always mean that the IQ is extremely low like in many of the handicapped people. Dopey in Snow White for example was still capable after all of mining for Diamonds. Ed in the Lion King was still capable of hunting, and still had some knowledge of his own leader betraying him in the end. Depression doesn't mean sadness obviously, however the person doesn't have any trace of happiness in their lives, and depression drains the the person's feel good trait so badly that they aren't going to feel nor believe in happiness. Take a look at Squidward from Spongebob. He most often suffers from severe depression and is almost never seen content in those episodes. While I don't see him crying in many episodes, he is usually very down, miserable, and grumpy. Oh yes, and in that one episode, when Spongebob asks Squidward if he has a "happy memory" it clearly shows squidward in the darkest depression stages, and implies several times Squidward thinking about killing himself, like when he hangs a rope up, and when he sticks his head in the oven.
TV is not reality. (Even Reality TV is fake.) You can't use fictitious characters and stories, created by man, to justify your reasoning. Just like the Bible. ;)
PM's are tempting to read, but you have the power to ignore.
Nobody's putting a gun to your head, forcing you to be here. You're here because you want to be. Frankly, I think you're a glutton for punishment and love to argue with Summerlander and DeschainXIX for some weird reason. Without them, you'd probably find someone else to fill the void and become your nemesis. It's like you need one in your life at all times. You enjoy depression and self-loathing over happiness as you've admitted, and you're bringing it upon yourself.
Through your own actions you can stop all the quarreling that upsets you, and have a more positive experience here on the forum, and everyday in your own life.
HAGART wrote: TV is not reality. (Even Reality TV is fake.) You can't use fictitious characters and stories, created by man, to justify your reasoning. Just like the Bible. ;)
PM's are tempting to read, but you have the power to ignore.
Nobody's putting a gun to your head, forcing you to be here. You're here because you want to be. Frankly, I think you're a glutton for punishment and love to argue with Summerlander and DeschainXIX for some weird reason. Without them, you'd probably find someone else to fill the void and become your nemesis. It's like you need one in your life at all times. You enjoy depression and self-loathing over happiness as you've admitted, and you're bringing it upon yourself.
Through your own actions you can stop all the quarreling that upsets you, and have a more positive experience here on the forum, and everyday in your own life.
No actually I wanted to originally be here to talk about my Lucid Dreams. I wanted some place people wouldn't bash me for ONCE in my life about it to talk about my Lucid Dreams, because even when I went to that Lucid Dreaming club and talked about them, they were criticizing me, and they banned me for talking about them. I have been banned from several locations for talking about them, and even my own brother calls me delusional for talking about them, and many of my own family members think I am crazy. BUT what do I get when I start talking about my unique experiences I have had with my Lucid Dreams? 2 users who are exactly like my brother and start calling me delusional over a couple of my Lucid Dream, even to the point of even saying I never even had them. So now I don't even feel comfortable talking about many of my Lucid Dreams anymore, because I am afraid of being referred to as either a liar or delusional again, and this is a LUCID DREAM website. Do you even understand how I am even feeling at this point when I cannot even post my own Lucid Dreams without the fear of being criticized or bullied and people accusing me of lying? This is why I haven't been posting anywhere else lately very much, for fear of criticism.
Often I don't start the argument unless someone really says something to tick me off (like says they enjoy drowning dogs or their neighbor enjoys it, or kills animals for their fur). And I don't want a nemesis in the least, although I tend to get persecuted by them anyways.
You want to know the real reason why I prefer depression? Because I cannot control my mood swings. And I don't have a positive mood. I have a hyper mood, but I can be a real @#$# when I get into that mood, much like I can when I am in an angry mood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NPc08-BWvg Yes and this cartoon only shows part of how bad I can get during that mood. And yes I do have that awful looking face on. I know you think mood swings cannot get THAT bad, but how about losing enough judgment during one because you are so drugged that you are telling farfetched tales during one or believe you can accomplish out of reach goals? Out of risk of attempting to avoid that really horrible mood swing and attempting to keep at least part of my sanity on, I prefer being depressed and pessimistic.
I would prefer not to live in this world, and I mean really I would prefer not to live in this world, however, it is so difficult to escape from this world for good. And failure to escape from it is often very embarrassing when you get caught. If only they made it so quick and easy like they do for the animals.
Sorry to bring you back to reality yet again, nesgirl, but spreading lies about people actually is a form of bullying. Quote me exactly from one place where you think I intentionally made you paranoid to share your lucid dreams. I want the exact quote. Go ahead and find one for Summerlander, too, while you're at it.
We're waiting...
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=15419&start=30
This thread right here. Where I was talking about my Lucid Dream I had during the EEG and I talked about having a Lucid Dream during a colonoscopy. You were saying it was impossible, and I was delusional in thinking I was even having Lucid Dreams during those times. I never implied once of anything paranormal BTW. I just wanted say I was Lucid Dreaming during those times I was KO'd. And you had to go and say I was delusional because I said I was Lucid Dreaming during that time.
BTW, I am not the one spreading lies, you were the ones who were picking on me in that thread when I was only trying to talking about my Lucid Dream, because I thought maybe I'd look into it more. I wasn't looking to be called delusional.
Are you illiterate? "Exact quote."
(We all know you can't provide a single one. I'm just waiting for you to say it.)
I know you were picking on me in that thread. I think I would rather hang on the tree than deal with your criticism anymore. Actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, just hanging on the tree, no longer having to deal with life ever again, nor your criticism again.
I don't think it's bullying, nesgirl, but if you feel paranoid, it's hardly his fault. I think it was more a case of deschainXIX correcting you and you didn't like it. There is nothing shameful about being wrong and have others point that out. In fact, it is admirable when people concede. I think you equate standing corrected with being humiliated. Only people who think they are perfect feel their egos doubly bruised when opposed. You will never be happy that way, nesgirl. For instance, stop thinking that you are better than everyone else because you are asexual...allegedly... :mrgreen:
By the way, I speak for myself when I say that I have never PMd you. I would also advise you to stop making things up about people or twisting what they say. You've tried to besmirch me but it backfired when Hagart fetched the relevant quotes. And now you can't provide one for deschainXIX. You are only making yourself look bad! :-o
PS. I've started reading "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens! :mrgreen:
The problem is not because we are romantics and like sex, but because we choose to say our opinions.
Both habits can be catastrophic some times for ourselves and the others.
Do not give attention. I'm just messing around.. :P
The problem is not expressing our opinions. The problem is people who abhor the truth and are so egoistically sensitive that they take offence at the most trivial verbalism. :-)
Summerlander wrote: I don't think it's bullying, nesgirl, but if you feel paranoid, it's hardly his fault. I think it was more a case of deschainXIX correcting you and you didn't like it. There is nothing shameful about being wrong and have others point that out. In fact, it is admirable when people concede. I think you equate standing corrected with being humiliated. Only people who think they are perfect feel their egos doubly bruised when opposed. You will never be happy that way, nesgirl. For instance, stop thinking that you are better than everyone else because you are asexual...allegedly...
By the way, I speak for myself when I say that I have never PMd you. I would also advise you to stop making things up about people or twisting what they say. You've tried to besmirch me but it backfired when Hagart fetched the relevant quotes. And now you can't provide one for deschainXIX. You are only making yourself look bad!
PS. I've started reading "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens!
I need to read that one. His "god Is Not Great" (intentional error; Hitch would have wanted it :D ) made him one of my favorite writers. I'm going to read the collection of writings leading up to his death called "Mortality." I can think of few people who I would like to hear speak of death more than the perceptive and lucid Hitchens.
For the sake of total solidarity (I think that everyone here is competent enough to know that no one is bullying nesgirl), and in case anyone is interested, here is the "flaming," "bullying" PM exchange between nesgirl and myself a while back. Please note that I finally went over the edge when nesgirl began telling new users in their Introductory Threads that they should not post their lucid dreams for fear of Summerlander's and my criticism (quite literally scaring potential newcomers away in the most translucent and libelous fashion: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15624&hilit=2+users)--but I didn't have the heart to confront her in front of everyone.
PM SUBJECT: SHOW ME
DESCHAIN: Okay, nesgirl. I'm tired of this recurring nonsense of yours. I've asked you before (and you utterly ignored my request), but I suppose I will try again: Give me a direct link and quotation of every single incident in which you felt persecuted and accused of lying by myself or Summerlander or anyone else. Show me exactly where that happened. Right now. Oh, wait. There is none. Either stop spreading poisonously misconceived libel and throwing false accusations and terrorizing new users with your deluded, apocalyptic warnings of receiving criticism for sharing lucid dreams or show me exactly where anyone has done that to you so we can make strides toward lucidity and reconciliation.
NESGIRL: *http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=15419&start=40
You were really criticizing me in THIS thread. And in the Religion Islamic crisis about my Lucid Dreaming while unconscious during the EEG. And you did practically accuse me of faking it, saying there was NO WAY I could have been doing such, because you said people cannot Lucid Dream during that time. And because you made it look like from your scientific studies I was lying, I don't feel comfortable sharing my Lucid Dreams anymore (I wasn't trying to prove anything, I was having a Lucid Dream for fun). Other people have had unusual Lucid Dreams I have heard from in some situations that might not be to your liking that you might criticize them for as well.
Oh and do not reply to me and bash me. Because if you do, I will block you, and I will block the PM system. I have the ability to do so.*
DESCHAIN: I did not criticize you in any of the threads you provided. [Aside: This is not totally accurate, of course; I was trying to keep nesgirl in the conversation. Note, however, that I did not accuse her of lying about lucid dreaming in the threads mentioned.]
NESGIRL: You and Summer were criticizing me Lucid Dreaming during the EEG. You were saying that it was impossible, and that I was faking it, because it cannot happen during that time. I already get that enough from my brother without you 2 saying things like that. I wasn't trying to prove the supernatural in ANYTHING whatsoever. I just thought that no matter what is going on in your brain (provided you aren't 100% dead), it would be nice to be able to get away from reality for some people, and escape from reality. You and science just had to make a big deal about it.
DESCHAIN: *Nope. Summer and I did nothing of the sort. I have no absolutely idea what you're talking about. Sorry. I have never said anything at all to make you feel uncomfortable sharing lucid dreams and warning away new users. :?: *
NESGIRL: *I remember you, Summer, and I got into an argument over Lucid Dreaming while unconscious before, and I was using my Lucid Dream as an example. It made me feel VERY uncomfortable before. I was even talking to Buildit and to Peter all about it a few months ago about how you 2 were making me feel very uncomfortable about mentioning my Lucid Dreams, because you were saying Lucid Dreaming while unconscious was impossible, and that I couldn't have been doing so during my EEG. I remember that from a couple of months ago. I am NOT kidding
I am not warning away new users. I am just telling them not to mention specific things around the 2 of you. The things I meant about them "not mentioning" that I have talked with users about in the past were probability Lucid Dreams (like for example, back when I had my unconscious EEG, when you were criticizing me about it, and didn't believe it was an actual EEG, I was going to say I matched a Magazine picture in the Lucid Dream, then confirmation biased it in reality, but you did NOT give me that chance), freaky stories, and also dreaming while they were declared unconscious, etc. I think you would have had quite the argument with those users like you did with me. I am not warning them about posting Lucid Dreams. I am concerned about them posting Lucid Dreams. I am concerned about them posting Lucid Dreams that sound like something that is "flame bait" to you and to Summer, like my Unconscious EEG Lucid Dreams were to you 2.
See and I have my own scientific theories on Unconscious Lucid Dreaming, which I discussed with buildit before, which I doubt you and Summer would be open on. See I personally believe why 20% people can dream/Lucid Dream while unconscious/nearly dead is because there is in fact a tiny portion of the brain still at work we don't know about. Also I studied up on these experiences, and on DMT trips, and found both of which are similar. Also I know the brain releases DMT while we sleep. If that is the case, then the brain in an unconscious scenario thinking it is in a pinch must release a huge amount of DMT. In other words, I have a theory that the person who is unconscious may very well be having a naturally induced drug trip. Which is why some of these experiences during unconsciousness sound so interesting. However as to why people can dream while unconscious, some people's brains may have evolved to enable them to do that, like how some buildings have that emergency light comes on in a few buildings during a black out. I don't see anything supernatural about people dreaming while unconscious, I just see it as an emergency switch the body switches on, as well as a DMT release is also triggered, making it even more crazy. I have done enough studying to be able to come up with a plausible theory on why people dream while unconscious, and it doesn't even sound supernatural at all. This is why I believe I was able to dream while unconscious during the EEG and while some people dream during their surgeries. Think about this for a minute, and my theory makes sense in a lot of ways.*
DESCHAIN: *I agree that you can dream whilst unconscious. Indeed, that's where all dreams take place, in the realm of the subconscious. You're seeing in black-and-white, buying into the false dichotomy of consciousness...
I stopped trying to have serious discussion with you a long time ago, though. You've proven yourself incapable of such time and time again. Your irrationality and psychosis have totally severed you from reality. I would prescribe meditation in an attempt to achieve self-transcendence and a brief hiatus from lucid dreaming to get a slightly firmer grip on reality. :mrgreen:
Anyway...
Just stop telling people they can't post their lucid dreams.
It's vicious and it's bullying and it's bullshit, and you know it. Hopefully you've begun to realize this truth by observing your own failure (yet again) to show me exactly when and where I was making people uncomfortable in sharing their lucid dreams. I'm just trying to get you to wake up and stop poisoning the forum with your libel. :)
You may now block me and enforce your hatred of the concept of freedom of speech. I don't want to talk to you any longer than I have to. I just want you to stop terrorizing people with your nonsense and delusions, and also to stop spreading evil gossip about me and Summerlander. :D*
NESGIRL: *I can't stop Lucid Dreaming. I have been Lucid Dreaming since I was 3. It has been a part of my life since as long as I can remember. But you said I can't Lucid Dream when the EEG read me unconscious, did you not??? And unfortunately I've always seen in black and white, no medication can help with that. I always see things like that. I try to have very serious discussions with you about several different things numerous times. I do know numerous things about math and science, as I have said several times. How else would I have known about the laws of probability or asexual reproduction?? I know many things, as I have studied math and science many times. It is just that since they have discovered new and very depressing things in quantum physics, realism, and reality, science and reality have begun to depress me...since middle school. And while I try to come up with very interesting theories time and time again, I always fail. My Multimedia professor said something about me that is probably true, that with theories, multimedia, and debating, I am just doomed to fail. Truly I don't
I know what you said, you said what I was doing was impossible, because the EEG read me unconscious and it was impossible for me to be to be dreaming then because of it. Both you and Summerland said that.*
DESCHAIN: *Like I said, I do not wish to talk to you any longer than I have to. *
END OF PM EXCHANGE
Now, I don't really care about you, nesgirl. And I have no idea why you care about me to the point that you would threaten suicide over this. But I've been pouring over the threads mentioned and I can't find an instance like the one you're describing. Multiple times have I called on you to quote me, but you never have.
This is the summation of all I have to say about this.
Summerlander wrote: I don't think it's bullying, nesgirl, but if you feel paranoid, it's hardly his fault. I think it was more a case of deschainXIX correcting you and you didn't like it. There is nothing shameful about being wrong and have others point that out. In fact, it is admirable when people concede. I think you equate standing corrected with being humiliated. Only people who think they are perfect feel their egos doubly bruised when opposed. You will never be happy that way, nesgirl. For instance, stop thinking that you are better than everyone else because you are asexual...allegedly... :mrgreen:
By the way, I speak for myself when I say that I have never PMd you. I would also advise you to stop making things up about people or twisting what they say. You've tried to besmirch me but it backfired when Hagart fetched the relevant quotes. And now you can't provide one for deschainXIX. You are only making yourself look bad! :-o
PS. I've started reading "The Missionary Position" by Christopher Hitchens! :mrgreen:
Oh no, you 2 were actually telling me my EEG Lucid Dream was impossible in that thread, and that it was scientifically impossible to even have a Lucid Dream during the incident, implying I didn't even have a Lucid Dream during that time. That wasn't cool.
Maybe my brother was right that would mean. Because he said the same thing you did. Then that means....if he's right and I cannot Lucid Dream, then there is nothing left in this horrible world. Death is the only answer.
And BTW Deschain, why do I care what you think about my decision (besides, you would probably laugh as soon as I succeeded anyways, and you would turn it into one of your comedies to watch every night)? Why do I care what anyone thinks about my decision on this? It is my life, my choice. I think with you criticizing me all the time, you have no right to attempt to sway my decision first of all, and second of all, I did try to make my own decisions back in middle school. However now think about this for a second, if I ceased to exist, why not think about how much of a better place the universe would end up being? Sometimes when a very hated person dies, the universe is a whole lot better off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6RruVoaYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkq7WZTzkLQ
I've tried using quotes as evidence before. Good luck with that!
I like nesgirl though. I have a soft spot and want to help. She denies she ever needs it though and I feel like Ernie talking to Oscar the Grouch. I don't even know why I keep trying.
Is there even a glimmer of a smile in that black hole that I can possibly reach? I don't know.
I should stop dreaming with my stupid Hagartist ideology shouldn't I?
The only help I'd get from those 2 is they'd bind me up, and escort me to the psych ward themselves. Which if they did that, I know of numerous ways to die in the psych ward.
I also don't think at this point anyone wants to help. Considering Summer even just said that he wants me to admit I was wrong about even having a Lucid Dream during the EEG because he and Deschain proved it against me because I had an ego and everything, this says everything right there.
I never want to talk about my Lucid Dreams on here again, because then Summer and Deschain will just use their science talk to prove I didn't even have Lucid Dreams at all, exactly like my brother does nearly all the time. And then because of this, they will tell me exactly what my brother tells me all the time, saying I haven't given him evidence I can Lucid Dream, and that I am delusional.
Actually there have only ever been a few whom I have trusted in my life. These few had the ability to Lucid Dream, and....well I am NOT going to tell you because you'll just accuse me of lying again.
Edit I saw that venting out of you Hagart you made earlier. Look even most of my family knows how to do that much. It's just how I am. Each Spring, I go through SAD, get extra moody, depressed, and pessimistic, and there isn't really much anyone can do about that. Just how I react to the change in the seasons. Oh and well at least you know to erase your posts before the dogman sees them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCxv9AMQ6WM
I remember the palaver about lucid dreaming whilst unconscious. I tried to point out to nesgirl, that, logically, if one experiences and remembers something, one was most definitely conscious, not unconscious. I believe she used the wrong word and this is really a case of her not being able to take constructive (sic) criticism. (Notice how she first said that we "bully" and then claimed that we kept "criticising" her.)
I believe nesgirl was referring to consciousness sometimes emerging in NREM or even delta sleep. Such states do not necessarily spell out unconsciousness--often thought-like dreams are possible and spindles of activity can occur during them in the brain. Like deschainXIX said, it's not black and white, and, after all, what is lucid dreaming if not the CONSCIOUS viewing of mental "material" that would have otherwise remained in unconsciousness? 8-)
Let's remember that NDEs allegedly take place when a patient is pronounced "clinically dead" (not really dead, just no cerebral activity can be measured at the hospital, but in a lab it would be a different story). It is important to remember that such conscious experiences have most likely emerged, not when the brain had reduced activity, but just as the individual was coming to and thus cerebral activity rising. (Later, though, consciousness is mistakenly said to have occurred when the brain was "dead" by New Age enthusiasts.)
So, yeah, nesgirl was wrong (as she often is) ab initio. :mrgreen:
By the way, deschainXIX, "Mortality" is scary, sad, interesting, and at times funny. "Hitch-22," which precedes it, is like a great adventure. Enjoy the Hitch! ;-)
If I were truly unconscious and I did experience some sort of time gap like you said, I would have felt it (I have fainted numerous times in my life from hypotension) and I would have probably puked in that poor lab guy's trash can like the last time. Because my body doesn't do very well when "violated" while I am unconscious, so I do well to avoid being violated while unconscious.
I kind of did that the colonoscopy, so I will have to consider I was unconscious during that, since I actually puked after that....however, I do have to consider I was keeping track of time somehow, because in many of my Lucid Dreams, I have the ability to do so. This was a probability Lucid Dream, as I was telling about the live video they were recording.
And you see, this is why I don't like talking about my Lucid Dreams around you anymore. AND you'll never hear a Lucid Dream out of me again, because then it'll turn into a theory of you trying to stroke your stupid ego again. Oh and BTW, there wasn't any consciousness at all until the end during the EEG, when I WOKE UP @#$#@ (as in I went straight from unconsciousness to complete waking consciousness, like as in if a person were to pass out and then wake up). So you are either going to have to conclude in this case I am A. Delusional and never had a Lucid Dream to begin with B. Had a Lucid Dream while unconscious. You cannot go with another answer at this point, because I didn't experience any alt form of consciousness. And I cannot be wrong every single time, while you are right every single time. Now who's the one with the great big ego on his chest? Unless of course I was a retard, which I am not.
And when the fires open right beneath us, our legs get burned while our heads get cold. And we move like we want to dance, because the fire song hasn't yet stop.
This ones way of topic and yet again turned into a useless debate bordering on bullying so I am going to lock it. I need to remind everyone that this is a Lucid dreaming forum at heart and that is the purpose of the posts not a place to push for the fun of it
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