That's happened to me many times. The first time I felt depressed for nearly a week afterwards. And actually, some of my dreams still revolve around that same DC, although I haven't seen him since that first time.

Its strange how its so easy to get attached to certain DCs.

Dreams can certainly be very emotional and I have felt sad / depressed after many a dream over the years! especially ones that were so vivid and which upon waking seemed real as if the content of the dream was actual fact!

Quote from: MaxFisher on November 02, 2008, 12:33:54 AMExample would be a dream I had once: I was walking through the mall with a gal I didn't recognize afterward.  But during the dream I felt the overwhelming sense of love for her.  Like I had known her for years and loved her.  Then I woke up later feeling empty and missing that feeling of love..  It was so genuine and sad feeling.

I had the exact same thing happen to me.  Dreamed of of a girl I was in love with and had a long detailed relationship with.  During the dream, I could remember previous dreams I've had of her.  A whole other life I was living with this girl in my dreams.  When I woke up, I felt so bad that I could have ever forgotten about her.

Never dreamed of her since that I remember.  Did those previous dreams I was remembering actually happen, or did I make them up as part of that dream?  Who knows, but I really felt bad about it.  I can still picture her face, and it does make me sad to think about.

I've found that whenever i have a dream which has an emotion such as love in it, its amplified massively and I seem to experience it in a whole new way. I too often feel sad when waking up because of the strong emotions encountered, its often that lust for the magical aspect, that that is not real in our reality.

I just had pretty much the same dream and effect a couple of weeks ago about a girl.

I've talked to/seen my late brother in multiple dreams. It's always pretty sad after i wake up realising it was just a dream.  I've also talked to my brother in a lucid dream, and it definately seemed like it was him, which stirred up some emotions.  Its kind of a bittersweet feeling, seeing him again brings happiness, but knowing it wont last/waking up realising it was a dream brings sadness.

I know those dreams well, and one day I'll write something general about them.  In fact these dreams form a good chunk of what people post in the dream interpretation forum over at DV, especially first-timers.  They seem to be as powerful, emotionally, as nightmares are.  Becoming close to someone we know or just a random DC and then missing them on wakening with that wrenching feeling of loss.

I've tried hard to integrate these dreams of love and loss into my life over recent time and now I welcome them.  By keeping hold of that fragile feeling on waking, I find I have a desire to be closer to people during the day.  I doubt others really know what I'm thinking and feeling, but for me it's a huge difference and helps to soothe the sadness.  Perhaps that's what these dreams are about - us being too distant from people IRL and hence sad?

Hi everyone! I haven't been active in a while... I just recently got back into posting at DV and I will be posting here again too

I have a problem with WILD. (really, DEILD, but technically that's a type of WILD anyway) I experience the most terrifying fear I could imagine every time I am transitioning from wakefulness to a lucid dream. This fear prohibits me from having lucid dreams, and I'm starting to fear going to sleep every time. I posted the following (rather lengthy...sorry) post on DV. If anyone has any advice or suggestions for me, that would be great. I really don't know what to do about it.

It's 3:05 a.m. here in California... I just awoke from a FIWF- a fear induced WILD failure. I will simply share my account of what exactly happened with you all, and then I will be open to your suggestions.

Edit: I'm terribly sorry that this post is so long.

I succeed at WILDS maybe 10% of the time that I am consciously aware of them as they happen. I'd say 50 nights out of 75, I am awake during the transition period of dreaming at least one time in the night. So I'm very very experienced with what to do. My WILDs never turn into dreamscapes or different scene's EVER. They ALWAYS take the form of the room I am in, and they're always very accurate, and simultaneously TERRIFYING.

My WILDs always start as the most intense nightmare feeling ever. I never have regular dream nightmares. My nightmares usually involve a sad event, never something scary. My WILDs (not any other kind of lucid) always start in a terrifying way. I don't know if it's because my very first WILD was like this, and I've been subconsciously conditioned to believe that they are always like this or what, but it's frustrating.

Here's what happened. I was asleep. I "woke up." I heard a loud rushing sound that seemed to be coming from an area about 10 feet away from me in my room. I reached for my overhead light. As I did so, I noticed that my arm was very very heavy (that is my dreamsign- I have dreamsigns for my false awakenings which I have every single night). Every time my arm is heavy, I know that I'm either recovering from SP, or I'm asleep. Keeping my eyes closed, I fished around for my desklight that hangs over my bed. Found it, flipped it on. Sure enough it turned on, and i saw a flicker through my closed eyes. I figured, oh, well it worked. Before I had time to conclude anything else, I the rushing turned into the sound of an erupting volcano rumbling. Very loud, and very scary, and I was already a little scared. I began to phase through the wall. I very calmly sort of said to myself, "Alright, damnit, this is it, I won't be afraid this time." I opened my eyes and decided that when my eyes crossed the threshhold, I would be in the dreamstate which is my default "landing spot", my old hometown of Lansing, Michigan.

Instead, I saw a black void that started to speckle- the same sort of visual you see when you wake up and quickly open your eyes in the middle of the night in a not-quite-pitch-black room. So I bolted out of bed (I'm still asleep) I walked over to the foot of my bed, passing my usual very dark and TERRIFYING hooded figure that is in every single WILD I have. I opened my eyes once more with resolve and tried to stare down at my hands for stability... though it was too dark to see them, it was working. I could feel my control gaining and the figures before me both turning more real, and fading away at the same time. I decided spinning was next. I spun. Again, in the last parts of a transition into a WILD, I feel very heavy and slow like molasses, so spinning felt just like that- molasses. As my bedroom scene began to fade, I yelled "Lansing!!!!!!!" but I failed to actually concentrate on where I was going, and I ended up back in a dark void of my room, at which point I yelled lansing again, but this time I felt it escape my physical mouth. Duality occurred, which caused me to wake immediately.

I cannot explain with words the absolute sense of terror I feel every time I WILD. However, I'm not novice at lucid dreaming, and am able to keep a relatively good grip on my fear and still do what I need to do. But I would be having successful WILDs every night if fear were not a factor for me. It hinders my ability to concentrate on getting to my dreamworld that I can control. I see the same figure in all of my WILDs. I dread to WILD. Sometimes I dread to sleep, because a WILD is inevitable for me. I can't NOT have them, I have them almost every night whether I want to or not.

I have improved greatly from where I was- I used to fall out of my bed, or fall through my bed, or through the wall, and as SOON as I stood up, I was too terrified to continue, and forced myself to wake. This has gone on for months. Any type of DILD is great! But for me a DILD is more rare. I mean I have them all the time, but I'm seldom FULLY aware, or aware enough to control the dream. What do I do?

Note to newbies- this is just my issue. Not everyone who tries to WILD will see what I see. I'm not sure why I do, but I hope no one is put off from WILDing. it's pretty amazing.

-Rainman

Hmm, I've rarely had strange transitions like that, and never so scary.  I did have a problem with DC's scaring me for a while, but it was much less of a terrifying uncontrollable sort of thing.

All I can suggest is a lot of conscious thought about how you will remain aware that nothing bad is really going to happen to you.  I wouldn't give up--a lot of people would really like to have that skill, so if you can just get the fear under control and transition into the dream, you'll have a really good thing going.

Good luck.

Thanks for the encouragement, Moonbeam. No, by no means am I giving up. It's way too cool of a thing to give up. It's just so terrifying. I have been trying to talk myself into approaching one of my terror creatures and giving it a hug. A friend of mine said once you hug the scariest thing you've ever seen, you've disarmed it.

A good part about this is that I'm so used to the fear, I'm making progress against it. But oh, so many WILDs and DEILDs have been spoiled for me. I have them with such ridiculous regularity that if I could find some way to not be afraid, I'd have lucid dreams almost every night! When you WILD or DEILD, do you always start off in what looks like your bedroom? I always feel like I roll out of myself, and that's how the dream starts, but I never start in a place of scenery. That's only happened once or twice.

I'm terrible at WILDing.  The few times I've managed and rolled out I did start where my body was, but that's so seldom.  I wish I could do that.  Your experience sounds just like Dr. Technical's (he has a DJ here); I always thought that was so freaky how he came out of his body into his own house every time.

I wonder if he ever experienced the same thing--he's been doing it for quite a while.  Maybe he would have some advice for you, if so.  You could ask him in his DJ.

I'm sure your ability to WILD easily is related to having such scary transition.  There has to be a way to keep the ability but lose the fear.

Hi Rainman,

I think that I used to have the same thing that you do, although far less often.  Whenever I'd experience conscious SP, lucid nightmares would always follow.  Nothing in the dreams were really that frightening to me, and yet I'd feel terror.  It's hard for me to describe the feelings of fear.  I'd be about as afraid as I'm capable of being.

And I seem to have cured myself of it.  I've being doing monthly tasks and challenges for about a year, drastically improving my dream control, and I've applied those concepts to SP and the dreams that follow.  You can control these just like your other dreams.  Although I believe that the sense of fear is physiological and not psychological, it's difficult to have that level of fear when you're in control.  I don't know how often I've been doing this actually, because I rarely now remember SP.  My goal was always to sleep through it, and now I can only assume that I am.

On the other hand, my brain chemistry may have changed and the dream control is just a coincidence.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is for me! I always have conscious SP, and it's always really scary, then my WILD always is a lucid nightmare in which I'm still in my room. And just like for you, it's not necessarily what I see that terrifies me, I'm just randomly scared for seemingly no reason, and experiencing the most fear I'm capable of (I think). Granted, the stuff I see scares me too, but it's just a biproduct of the fear that already exists. I think you're right, it's physiological. The problem is how to get by it

And thanks, moonbeam, I'm definitely going to check out his dream journal. As for WILDing, I've really really good with lucid dream techniques and theory. If you need any advice, feel free to send me a PM

I went through that too, Rainman. I imagine it's some kind of psychological defense mechanism. Consider it a rite of passage. Your 'give it a hug' idea is a great one, actually. All it really takes is dispelling the fear once. At least in my case it only took one time. good luck!

I think that is an example of the subconscious working, but it's not something that could only be done in a dream.

I think it's definitely two different things:  solving a problem vs. coming up with something that you know you couldn't consciously remember.  For example, re the problem solving, only musicians ever come up with a song in a dream, only chemists come up with the formula for a molecule, only a guy trying to invent a sewing machine dreams about how to make the needles, etc.  For some reason it seems more remarkable if we say the person "thought of it in a dream" vs. just thought of it, which is how most things happen.

So Walms I think that is impressive that you dreamed a formula that worked--it probably means you are good in math.  You are probably not just good at math in your dreams, right?

The only thing I can think of as something really coming from someplace inaccessible to your consciousness is a memory that you know you can't remember while you are awake.  Like Hazel's song lyrics.  I dreamed about being on a street in my old neighborhood the other night, and when I woke up I looked at a map to see if I had gotten the name right--I hadn't.  I can't name all the streets in that area while I am awake, but it wouldn't be surprising if I "knew", somewhere in my mind, since I've seen them so many times.

I guess the only way to know for sure is to think of something like that, something you are sure you don't know, then try to dream  it.  I recently looked at a map of those streets, and I still can't name them in order right now.  Could I dream them in order?  I don't know.  I messed up the first time, but I didn't really have that in mind.  I can think of one corner in particular and visualize it well, but I don't remember the name of that street.  It wouldn't be a surprise if I heard it, but I really can't think of it.  I can easily check it afterwards and see if I dreamed it right.

Quote from: Moonbeam on June 18, 2009, 07:20:14 AMI think it's definitely two different things:  solving a problem vs. coming up with something that you know you couldn't consciously remember.  For example, re the problem solving, only musicians ever come up with a song in a dream, only chemists come up with the formula for a molecule, only a guy trying to invent a sewing machine dreams about how to make the needles, etc. I disagree.  I'm not a musician and have a poor understanding of classical music.  But an orchestra can play in my dreams.  The visual aspect is the same, I suppose.  If you were drawing, would you know how to pose a figure in a certain way, or how to correctly create the features of someone's face?  But we do it in dreams all the time.

Quote from: Alex Lou on June 18, 2009, 07:45:39 PMQuote from: Moonbeam on June 18, 2009, 07:20:14 AMI think it's definitely two different things:  solving a problem vs. coming up with something that you know you couldn't consciously remember.  For example, re the problem solving, only musicians ever come up with a song in a dream, only chemists come up with the formula for a molecule, only a guy trying to invent a sewing machine dreams about how to make the needles, etc. I disagree.  I'm not a musician and have a poor understanding of classical music.  But an orchestra can play in my dreams.  The visual aspect is the same, I suppose.  If you were drawing, would you know how to pose a figure in a certain way, or how to correctly create the features of someone's face?  But we do it in dreams all the time.

I know what you mean; I have music in my dreams too.  It seem original, but I don't know if it is or not, and since I have no way of reproducing it outside the dream, I guess I'll never know.  That's kind of weird, because when I have unkown music, mine is like an orchestra too, and that is not the kind of music I would think my mind would come up with at all, since like you I don't know anything about classical music.

And the drawing thing too; I have paintings and art-work that I can't recreate in dreams, but I just don't know if they would translate to the outside.  Mu and I were talking about this once--are they "real"; I mean, did we just dream we saw a beautiful picture, or was there a complete beautiful picture that could be recreated?  I guess it may be the same thing, and if somebody was an artist, they could draw it, like Dali.  But then again--only an artist could bring it out of the dream.   It wouldn't make any sense for a non-chemist to say they dreamed of a molecular structure, or a person who didn't understand math to say they dreamed of a formula--does it make sense for a person who can't write music to say they dreamed an original composition?  I don't know.  A dream of music isn't a "creation" really, until it is made real, IMO.

So that's kind of what I mean--if you don't bring it out of the dream, it never becomes "real".  What was it then?  It's hard to say, not being able to examine it and share it with other people.  Yes, of course we create all kinds of things in dreams, whole scenarios and all the sights and sounds and background that go with them.  I don't deny that.

I see.  So you are only interested here in the knowledge that we can bring out, keep, and share.

Quote from: Alex Lou on June 18, 2009, 08:19:16 PMI see.  So you are only interested here in the knowledge that we can bring out, keep, and share.

Well, how else can you prove it's real knowledge?

Actually, it started out wondering if dreams are ever useful in accessing information that we can't consciously get to.  We still haven't really had an example of that.  (Except possibly Hazel's lyrics--depending on if she's sure she couldn't remember them while awake.)

As a musician who has written tons of music I think it's exactly the same. It only exists in your head until you bring it out. What about the songs that get away because I'm busy and lose them before I get a chance to sit down and pull them out? Are they really any less real than the ones I managed to extract? Take the song I mentioned that my friend sang in my dream. Had I woke up late for work I never could have gotten it out. In that case would it have never really existed?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "really existed".

Exactly!

There's a line of thought that suggests everything only exists in our heads.  That doesn't mean that worldly things don't exist, only that what we know of them is what meaning we make of them.

If I have a piece of music in my head which so happens to be the same tune as Bahomet's does that mean it's the same piece of music?

Quote from: Burned up on June 25, 2009, 08:13:57 AMThere's a line of thought that suggests everything only exists in our heads.  That doesn't mean that worldly things don't exist, only that what we know of them is what meaning we make of them. Yes, that's all we've got, what is detected by our sense organs and interpreted by our brain.  Everything's existence is felt by us only in our own heads, so I guess you could say it "exists" to us only there.  However, I bet red looks the same to me as it does to you.  So we can assume that talking about things as if they exist outside of our own heads has some meaning.

QuoteIf I have a piece of music in my head which so happens to be the same tune as Bahomet's does that mean it's the same piece of music? Same enough, if you both get them out of your heads and listen to each other's, or if somebody else listens and says they are the same.

You may be interested in this post I saw.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showpost.php?p=1120908&postcount=1

It's pretty interesting, but hard to believe somebody could get that much information from their dreams. Maybe you want to ask him some questions about it.

I dreamed that Mark was showing me a bunch of drawings he made before I had any idea he was really into drawing. The posts about it are in the journals at DV

I had a creepy dream last week about a giant red monster that could inhale so strongly that people would fly into it's mouth and be swallowed. When I went to see the Transformers yesterday, there was a giant red monster that did that. It was a bit different in the movie, but similar enough to weird me out a little when I saw it.

Quote from: Moonbeam on June 26, 2009, 07:39:23 AMQuote from: Burned up on June 25, 2009, 08:13:57 AMThere's a line of thought that suggests everything only exists in our heads.  That doesn't mean that worldly things don't exist, only that what we know of them is what meaning we make of them. Yes, that's all we've got, what is detected by our sense organs and interpreted by our brain.  Everything's existence is felt by us only in our own heads, so I guess you could say it "exists" to us only there.  However, I bet red looks the same to me as it does to you.  So we can assume that talking about things as if they exist outside of our own heads has some meaning.

We cant be sure of that until we compare notes, metaphorically speaking. But I could look at a steam train and say it's boring.  You might say it's fascinating.  Our sense organs are receiving the same data.

QuoteQuoteIf I have a piece of music in my head which so happens to be the same tune as Bahomet's does that mean it's the same piece of music? Same enough, if you both get them out of your heads and listen to each other's, or if somebody else listens and says they are the same.

Yes, they need to be realised to have any social meaning.  My point was that said music did not arise from sense organ data, unlike the steam train.  Until we get them "out of our heads" that is.

(Yes I've done two RCs).

Quote from: Caradon on June 30, 2009, 01:06:54 PMI had a creepy dream last week about a giant red monster that could inhale so strongly that people would fly into it's mouth and be swallowed. When I went to see the Transformers yesterday, there was a giant red monster that did that. It was a bit different in the movie, but similar enough to weird me out a little when I saw it. That is strange, but I didn't really mean precognition, but something that you couldn't come up with consciously, but you have a way of knowing.  Like a specific memory that you know you can't come up with consciously (because you try, and it's not there), but it can be validated (by checking, asking somebody, etc).  (Who knows; maybe a commercial came on for the movie but you weren't consciously aware of it.  In that case, I guess it would count, but we don't know if you really saw a commercial.)

Quote from: Burned up on June 30, 2009, 03:54:24 PMWe cant be sure of that until we compare notes, metaphorically speaking. But I could look at a steam train and say it's boring.  You might say it's fascinating.  Our sense organs are receiving the same data. If we both describe a thing with steam coming out of going down some tracks, that's close enough.

QuoteYes, they need to be realised to have any social meaning.  My point was that said music did not arise from sense organ data, unlike the steam train.  Until we get them "out of our heads" that is. We don't know for sure if they are arising from sense organs or not, I guess--maybe if we were able to get the music out, it might be original or it might be something we've heard before.  (I know we think it is original at the time, in the dream--but it's hard to say, without actually getting it out. We may dream the Merrie Melodies theme and think it is original, because our minds are not always working right in dreams.) But there are the cases of real original-song dreaming, so there is non-sense organ arising music.  I guess that's true of all original music, dreaming or not dreaming--it arises in somebody's mind without being heard by the ears.

Quote(Yes I've done two RCs).

when i heard you mentioning that the hooded figure is in every single WILD you have, i thought, why don't you try to approach it.. then i read your hugging comment, i personally wouldn't feel the need to hug it, but a good inspection with honest inquisitiveness to find out what it really is might help. Then again everyone is different and has their own ways of dealing with things, look inside yourself for the right answer to this it seems the raw feeling of terror is a main thing to overcome here, but i wouldn't rule out inspecting the hooded figure also.

i feel i might be able to relate. I went through a year of terrifying sleep paralysis, terror OBE's etc, so much that i developed a fear of sleeping alone. lol, i was about to post when i realized i wrote a really long article. i decided it may deserve its own thread - The tunnels of Terror Mountain

when i heard you mentioning that the hooded figure is in every single WILD you have, i thought, why don't you try to approach it.. then i read your hugging comment, i personally wouldn't feel the need to hug it, but a good inspection with honest inquisitiveness to find out what it really is might help. Then again everyone is different and has their own ways of dealing with things, look inside yourself for the right answer to this it seems the raw feeling of terror is a main thing to overcome here, but i wouldn't rule out inspecting the hooded figure also.

i feel i might be able to relate. I went through a year of terrifying sleep paralysis, terror OBE's etc, so much that i developed a fear of sleeping alone. lol, i was about to post when i realized i wrote a really long article. i decided it may deserve its own thread - The tunnels of Terror Mountain (http://mortalmist.com/forum/index.php/topic,2170.0.html)

Well something very intriguing happened to me last night/early morning.

I had an EXTREMELY vivid and  complex dream.  Part of it I had a little girl blonde hair that I knew as if she was a daughter.  I can't really remember what happened but I think she had gotten sick for some reason and was going to die.  I remember crying in my dream.  However I woke up immediately afterward my eyes were FULL of tears and my pillow was wet.  I had actually been crying IRL.  It was very different I've never experienced such a thing.

Has anyone else cried in a dream and physically cried IRL simultaniously?

I'll definitely write what I can remember about the whole dream tomorrow.  Stuff like this makes me slap myself for not writing in my DJ every day.

I had a dream when I first started writing my DJ that I woke up from in tears. I assume I must have been crying in the dream too, but I just can't recall it. The dream, like yours, involved a someone who was leaving another person for some reason. The relationship between these 2 people was based on the transfer of metal tins of food to each other (I don't really understand either).

On a lighter note, I know a girl who was laughing at a ridiculous dream situation one time and she actually woke up laughing

I have woken with a number of emotions.  I can't recall tears as such but certainly the bodily tensions of extreme grief and sadness and wanting to cry.  (Odd because I'm quite tearful IRL).

I guess if talking, shouting and kicking in dreams happens then why not crying and laughing?

A few years ago there was a schism within my group of friends, and we found ourselves unable to be around each other. I guess I never really fully recovered from the incident. I still have occasional dreams about them, where they're either taunting me or accepting me again.