Now I dare to ask you all: What is your flying style? Do you "swim" through the air or fly like superman or..? Do you have any difficulties when you try to fly, do you get aloft from the ground or you need to jump from a high point in midair to start flying? What is the altitude of your flight? As I am very experienced in dream-flying, I have met many persons so far who told me they have been having problems with flight. Although I helped them with some suggestions, they never flew very high or they have problems to fly-off, get aloft from the ground. I would like to know your experiences with flying. It doesn't have to be flying when LUCID. Flying is power which has been highly developed and used in NLDs.

Nenad, if you scroll down the bar at the left hand side of your LIF window and go down to Utilities, you can perform a key word search. Flying alone matches 193 Forum pages... there is some home work for you to do here. Enjoy. Edwin.

In addition to the 193 related posts out there, I will share my story here since Nenad was so kind to ask and initiate a new thread--my apologies to the administration if this belongs elsewhere:

There was a while a few years ago that I dreamed often of flying, during both lucid and not- dreams. It always required some effort, usually in mental concentration and faith. Sometimes I would run and jump, or kick off of walls, repeatedly, getting higher and higher until, while exercising maximum conviction in the possibility, I overcame whatever barrier grounded me and took flight. Once airborne I was ecstatic, but fell if I lost my concentration on keeping myself afloat, or if I pondered doubt about my condition. The feeling--including and perhaps because of the difficulty involved--was so intense and realistic that I wondered if it might be possible to jet off during waking hours. Alas, I have not yet to even dunk a basketball, let alone soar with eagles.

These days I rarely fly in my dreams, even if I am lucid, and if I do it is a similar experience to that described in the preceding paragraph.

Joshua

Thank You, I am conducting some research, so I am very grateful for every post.

I started lucid dreaming about a year ago and have been flying or floating in nearly each and every LD I've had. I personally find it an almost unavoidable lucid dream activity. There seems to be a sensation or force drawing me to do it. Even as the short lucid dreams break up I find myself soaring into the air to get that little bit of controlled dream action in before I lose the LD.

As for flying style, I've got many ways: standing while propelled on jet-powered shoes, superman style, breast-stroke swimming style, floating on my back and, once, a flying carpet. I either propel myself from a running leap or allow myself to be lifted up by 'the force'. I've never had to resort from jumping off a high point. As for altitude, I usually don't go very high. The highest I've been is about four stories up.

I used to occasionally find myself getting stuck inside buildings until I built the confidence to dive through walls, ceilings and windows. I really wanted to reply to your post because I, too, have heard others speak of their difficulty with flying. Other than the occasional indoor blockages I used to experience, I've had no trouble at all. As a matter of fact, I find it a natural aspect of my LD states.

Rich M.

My experience is somehow different. I am very experienced in dreaming. I have been keeping a dream journal and record every movie-like dream in it. Dreams have names, genres and story just like the movies have. As for me, NLDs are more interesting then LD, just because you can still use your dreampowers(like flying) and story you are involved is more interesting as you have no idea of what will happen next. I started to fly when I was 4. I have always needed to find some high point to jump off. I resort to flying as a great means to escape dangerous situation (NLDs).With brest-stroke swimming style I am capable of good speeds. But the greatest speed I have achieved so far was flying a GALE STYLE. When the storm was about to come, I spread my hands widely, put a jacket on my back. I was propelled so far with such a great speed that I felt dizzy. The drawback of GALE STYLE is that it is uncontrolable. I flew a SUPERMAN style, but I couldn't achieve great speeds. I was constantly being slowed. To all these styles I am refering to as "DREAM POWERS", as I am able to use them in all NON LUCID DREAMS.

Hello All,

I too find that flying is naturally a part of my LDs. I have flown in at least 50% of my LDs. My flying technique and ability has varied from dream to dream but I have successfully flown in all but one instance that I was trying to do so. My flying style depends greatly on my attitude/emotions at the time of takeoff. For instance if I become lucid while I am dreaming of a threatening situation, I usually take off like superman. This usually starts with a jump into the air and then flying quickly and agilely through the sky. If I become lucid in a non-threatening situation, my flying has more of a floating quality to it and I can "will" myself in my intended direction. I have flown as high as a couple of hundred feet, as low as inches off the ground, as fast as hundreds of miles an hour (so it seemed), and as slow as a leisurely walk in the park. My "floating" flying is sometimes difficult to control and I find that it sometimes takes some "extra" will power to gain altitude. I have tried the swimming technique but it seemed to make me even more unstable. I am usually in an upright position when flying unless I am using the superman style. I have never had to jump off of anything high in order to start to fly and most flights have just started by me becoming lucid and wanting to take off (no jumping necessary).

Hope this helps.

Thomas

Thomas, as I can see, you fly only in LDs. But what about NLDs? Do you fly in NLDs in threatening situations? I think flying is a dream power which is not dependant of LDs. It's an independant technique which should be used regularly in NLDs too.But You are absolutely right, FLYING DOES USE YOUR WILLPOWER AND IT DEPENDS OF IT.

Very interesting so far, it seems no one except me has to jump off some high point in order to start flying. More opinions...

Hi Nenad and fellow dreamflyers,

In all my years of airborne oneironautics, I'd say that I tend to mimic the classic style associated with that of the fairies. Not that I grow the wings, mind you -- it's just with the arms out or set in various arabesque positions. Only once did I flap my arms, and that was as an intended experiment -- and not worth the effort, as I recall. What I discovered through further experimentation was that bringing my arms in parallel to my body and curving my form would facilitate and accelerate the rounding of corners, much as one might expect. And, to this day, flying upside down remains a rather disorienting experience. In addition, while it's not technically flying, the performance of airborne somersaults can leave me feeling blissful for days!

Wishing you all delightful flights of fantasy, Keelin

Hi Nenad, Yes I have had many NLDs that I have flown in. The flying is those dreams is essentially the same except for the fact that I don't know that I am dreaming. The very act of flying has helped me become lucid in some of those dreams. For example, in one dream I was flying very high with a friend of mine. We were flying along quite casually and talking when I became lucid. I turned to my friend and said "Dan you realize that this is a dream don't you?". He turned to me and said rather dumbfounded "really" and the dream went on from there. In many other NLDs I have had a different kind of flying experience. One in which I don't have a body at all. I seem to be a field of pure consciousness hovering around the dreamscape. In a few of those dreams this field of consciousness flew down and entered one of the dream characters. The dreams then continued with me being that character. These are very interesting events.

Thomas

Today morning I had a DILD, and in dream I remembered what THOMAS said about flying SUPERMAN style. I jumped off from the balcony, got airborn and I flew my famous BREAST-STROKE SWIMMING STYLE. Then I switched to SUPERMAN STYLE, and while flying very slowly, I said to myself:"THIS SUPERMAN STYLE SUCKS!", and I grounded.

Thomas, I think you have POSSESED that dream character, and you have identified yourself with him. What is that character like?

Keelin, your flying style is very interesting. In very successful dream trilogy called "SCHOOL MATCH", I managed to win a very interesting match. Our school organized a match where every participant had to jump over school's balcony fence and while in the air we had to make a set of turns, pirouettes, moves,somersaults..and we had to land on our feet successfully. In the first SCHOOLMATCH I had impressed the girl I had a crush on. In "SCHOOLMATCH 2", i achieved the victory again by doing very artistic, eye-pleasant moves and somersaults while flying very fast and landing very gracefully. In the THIRD and the BEST installment called "SCHOOLMATCH 3-THE RIGHT STYLE" me and my girl friend challenged each other in the finals. She had better jumps, but made a careless landing thus breaking her legs. So, I was the winner again. That arabesque style of yours is very interesting to behold I presume, so I think maybe you would have been a decent opponent if You had participated in SCHOOLMATCES! ;-)

Nenad, I have a suggestion to aid in your flying. Your dream account reminded me of a NLD that I had in which I was flying superman style. I was standing on a balcony at the top of a large house. I decided to dive off. When I did I fell fast. My body position was similar to diving off of a high diving board. Rather than smashing into the ground, however, I arched my back and was able to change directions so that I was flying very fast just above the ground. I flew for a couple of hundred feet and gradually lost speed until I arched my back once again to turn into an upright position and land gently. Now if you combine that style with a little trick that I learned you should be able to sustain the flying speed that you generate. The trick is this: once you've generated speed place your focus to a point out in front of your body. If you can do this and keep your focus out beyond yourself I believe that you will fly as you never have before. This is the main technique I use when trying to fly in any LD, although I mostly use it at slower flying speeds. Letting your sense of false gravity generate your speed you will only have to maintain it.

Let me know if this works for you.

Thomas

Hi Thomas and All,

Flying in my NLDs also helps me become lucid. Like you I have had friends and animals tell me that I'm dreaming. I have also had the experience of flying with no body as you have. I find it invigorating and very enjoyable to be aware in this state. I often enter different characters or things in my dreams both lucid and non. It is lots of fun

I rarely flap my arms in dreams unless I'm in dragon form or something else with large wings. I usually just soar along with my arms down by my sides. I sometimes "will" myself from one spot to another in dreams and find myself travelling long distances at incredible eye-blurring speeds.

Blue Topaz

Thomas, I will try that, but first I need to generate proper speed flying with SUPERMAN STYLE. If I do that, If I achieve the proper speed then I will try to maintain it. Your SUPERMAN STYLE seems pretty developed. If you need advices for a BREAST STROKE SWIMMING STYLE, let me know. I'll let you know when I do some practise with SUPERMAN STYLE.

Topaz, when you travel from one spot to another with eye-blurring speeds you don't FLY, you just "WILL" yourself. It is a power you can use in LD, rarely in NLDs, I think. I managed to discover something similar. It's called "B SHIFTING". First, I need to find a big wall. Then I walk away from the wall approximately 30-50 feet. Then I run and jump into the wall. If the wall is capable of "B SHIFTING", I will jump off from the similar B-SHIFTED wall on the other side which is usually located where I want( in another town, country, or even dream scape). In order to that I need to find a wall which is capable of B SHIFTING-not every wall is capable of. You have been using B SHIFTING in another form!

As I've heard other forum members report, I just had my very first Lucidity Institute Forum-induced lucid dream. With all this talk about flying this week, I found myself lucid in a dream this morning. I used floating as a state test after being suspicious that I may be dreaming. Sure enough, I levitate off the ground as a way to prove to myself that I am dreaming.

Lately, I find myself using levitation as a reality test in my dreams. It has been months and several lucid dreams since I've used the 're-reading text' or 'digital clock' test. I just wind up in the middle of a dream with the satisfactory sense that I am dreaming. In order to prove it to myself, I use what I've found to be the natural act of floating/flying/levitating. Perhaps as one becomes more accustomed to the dream state, extensive reality checks are unnecessary? Somehow, I just KNOW I am dreaming.

Once lucid in this morning's dream, I used the famous Superman-style we've been discussing to float down a cement stairwell, head first, face down. It was both scary and exhilarating, seeing the hard cement stairs only a foot or so away from my face.

Rich M.

Congratulations, Rich! And how splendid to hear that contributions to the Forum played an inspiring part. ;)

Just one question: Exactly how vulnerable is your dream face? I'm giving you a gentle tease here, of course, because you bring up an excellent point by demonstrating how we can know that we're dreaming -- that all the world we see is an illusion -- but how easy it is to forget or to stop short of realizing that that character we take to be ourselves is but the stuff that dreams are made of as well! Obvious reasons for this, naturally, with our innate sense of self-preservation. But why not play with it? Go ahead, pass right through that dream-cement stair. What wonders lie beyond?

And may we all be inspired by Rich's success! Keelin

Nenad,

Correct, when I "will" myself from one spot to another I don't have to fly. Yes, your "B shifting" sounds very similar. It's interesting to discover what similarities we all have

Rich,

Way to go! I've found this forum to be extremely helpful. I agree, I think extensive reality checks are unnecessary. I think we only need to perform them when we require proof of our state.

Keelin,

I like your ideas about playing with our dream characters. I've found that doing "risky" things in dreams and pushing myself has resulted in my growth and development in many areas.

My thanks to everyone for being so helpful and supportive

Blue Topaz

As I can see our dreamworlds share a lot of similarities. You all should need to try B SHIFTING as it instantly transport you to the desired place. However, You need to find one. You will "FEEL" its presence and somehow you will know that the wall is B SHIFTED. It is a very interesting experience.

There is another thing which I need to mention when I talk about flying. Sometimes it is very hard for me to fly over big buildings. For example: In my vicinity there is a building with six floors. I climb up a little hill just near the building where I live. Then I jump doing BREAST STROKE SWIMMING STYLE, and I get approximately 4 floors up. I fly around and when I want to fly OVER that building I feel very strange and start to lose the altitude. Then I try very hard to fly up but I don't have the will power and I need to ground.

Another thing. A couple of times I flew very high. In a dream called " OVER THE BORDER"(1991/1992 season) I didn't have the passport and I couldn't make it over the border. My plan was to come to USA, because a girl who I liked went there. I needed a passport but I didn't have one. No problem for the flyer like me;-) I jumped from my hill then flew up near the clouds, so the border guards couldn't see me. But at the Greek border, when I looked beyond myself I felt very unsure and "empty". It was very strange feeling you know, like when you are rolling in ROLLER COASTER or when the elevator suddenly speeds up. YOU know the feeling in your stomach. EH, I felt exactly like that. I needed to ground as I started to lose the altitude. It rarely happens when I look in front of me. It happens when I look down and see that I've been flying very high. I think THOMAS is right. You should never look down, beyond yourself for the false sense of gravity will overcome you.

Hi all! Whats up? Lucid dreamers in dream skies?

I have been flying alot lately in lucid and non lucid dreams.More often than not I realize I am dreaming if I find myself airborne. I can't resist a reality check when I find myself floating!

In lucid dreams I fly in a variety of ways, vertically, horizontally, whatever. I just sort of will myself in the direction I wish to travel. On rare occassions I fly very high, obtaining an awesome view of the ground below me. That is a very exhilariting experience to me. I have also tried zooming from distant object to distant object, pulling myself along from item to item. I found this to often change the dream scene entirely. It seems to help me as well if the dream had been fading and then I zoom along to the next item. In retrospect it might just be that I have fixated on a dream item and I am in motion. Inaction causes me to awaken more often than not!

Also, I often look down at the scenery around me (and don't get drawn back to the ground) and believe that it is the belief that gravity will pull you down that would cause one to become grounded, and not the action of looking down itself.

On a side note: When I first started flying in lucid dreams it was more of a struggle than it is now. Flapping arms, kicking feet, and flailing limbs would describe my early attempts to fly quite well. It was all I could do to get off the ground. I think I was trying to swim through the dream air. It was a struggle to fight that gravity belief! It is rarely that difficult these days.

Remember, fly LUCID!

Ok, I need to make some things clear. I was wrong when I talked about NLDs. A vast majority of my NLDs are actually LOW LEVEL LUCID DREAMS. In fact in almost every dream I have had so far I am actually being aware of my dreampowers, and I am able to alter what I am doing and I can always fly without actually being aware that I am dreaming. So it comes to a conclusion that almost all of my 500+ movie-like, categorized dreams are in fact LOW LUCID dreams. Why I like those LOW LEVEL LUCID DREAMS? Just because I am in the middle of a story where I am an actor not a director. I like that feeling of suspense, where I need to use my powers to fight off or to make a great ending. So I like being aware of powers not the dream itself. I have had about 5-10 High Level Lucid dreams per month + 5 WILDs per month. They have their own charm.

Ryan, yes you are right. The flight is better when you are HIGHLY LUCID, so you know you are dreaming. But I made an example of only A COUPLE OF dreams I couldn't fly so well, including an abovementioned dream when i tried to fly SUPERMAN STYLE. I was Lucid, but the flight was awful. In vast majority of my Low Level Lucid dreams the flight was good especially in "ESCAPE FROM HORROR HOSPITAL" where I escaped a group of psycho-maniacs. I was flying very fast while they tried to chase me with a car. I flew away. So when I said I was flying in NLDs, I was wrong, because I am always aware of the power of flight and a few of others...

Hi Nenad and dedicated dreamers all,

Not to dismiss the joy of any dream in which we can experience powers beyond the norm of waking reality, but let's be clear about the definition of lucidity as applied to dreaming. When we speak of it here, we mean nothing more -- and nothing less -- than the awareness of dreaming while we are dreaming. I know we've discussed this before, but it's worth repeating:

Lucidity is not synonymous with dream control. It is possible to be lucid and have little control over dream content, and conversely, to have a great deal of control without being explicitly aware that one is dreaming. However, becoming lucid in a dream is likely to increase the extent to which one can deliberately influence the course of events.

So Nenad, do you mean that in most of your dreams you are aware that you have powers that are only available to you only in a dream (which would indicate a tacit level of lucidity)? Or do you mean you are simply aware of having control over the dream's elements?

Seeking clarity, Keelin

Ok, I will try to explain but I am afraid we are opening some philosophical conversations here.

First of all, I know what LUCIDITY means. I know it's not synonymous with dream control. I made a post somewhere on that subject but I 'll make it again.We are not masters of dreams. We, Lucid dreamears are not controlers of dreams. We are just masters of OUR AWARENESS, SELF-CONTROL in dreams so we can influence the course of events, to some extent if we believe what we see in dream is actually a dream.

Now If I try to explain all dreaming history of mine it would take 5 days of nonstop typing...I will try to make it short. WHAT DO YOU THINK KEELIN: IF EVERY PERSON WHO HAS EVER SEEN YOU, THOUGHT OF YOU, KNOWN OF YOU CONVINCED HERSELF YOU HAD NEVER EXISTED BEFORE, WOULD YOU EXIST?

My dreaming history started when I was four. The world which i had experienced before I came to be an experienced dreamer was somehow strange. All these years my dreamworld has been forming itself until it eventually gained some shape, some contour. It is very hard to explain so many habitants, places, which have been living in my dreamworld all these time. But they all had already been living there while I was being their guest. that was the time of NLDs or the time when the dreams worked for me. Being given that blessing of an outstanding skill of dream remembering I started to "chart" my dreamworld. In those movie like dreams I have always been deliberately influencing the course of events without being lucid. I knew what I needed to do. I don't need to be a Ph.D. to know what I should do to become a Lucid Dreamer. Without a high skill of remebering NLDs, or keeping a journal one is very hard to become a Lucid Dreamer. So when I became Lucid the role has changed. Those characters that existed in NLD are still present in LD, because I WANT THEM TO BE THERE. Now being Lucid, I empower,strenghten,widen,broaden,fertilize that little piece of dreamground I had been given,presented to it before. So the answer to your question is:

I am aware of having control over the dream's elements.

I will make an answer of counter-question I asked you, presuming You already know the answer. IF EVERY PERSON WHO HAS EVER SEEN YOU, THOUGHT OF YOU, KNOWN OF YOU, CONVINCED HERSELF YOU HAD NEVER EXISTED BEFORE, YOU WOULD NEVER EXISTED...

SEEING IS BELIEVING,

NENAD

Hi all

Interesting discussion here.

Nenad:

"IF EVERY PERSON WHO HAS EVER SEEN YOU, THOUGHT OF YOU, KNOWN OF YOU, CONVINCED HERSELF YOU HAD NEVER EXISTED BEFORE, YOU WOULD NEVER EXISTED..."

How can you prove this claim?

Besides: In the case of Keelin, to say the least, I think it would be very hard for me to convince myself, she never existed. ;)

Your dreaming history is indeed intriguing. And the thing about what is reality or existence is for me still an open question. I have until now found no way to really settle this question, not at least in the state we might call reflective consciousness or thinking.

Some ecstatic experiences / states of mind felt like this question were not so important from this states point of view.

But in the frame of scientific thinking, I mean scientific in the way most professional scientists define it today, I guess it would be hard to prove your claim. But I'm open to be told how.

Into the light!

Ralf

Nenad:

Have you ever thought about fully creating your own dreams? Since they ultimately come from your own mind, shouldn't it be possible, once lucid, to set aside the dream provided by your sleeping mind and create any world your conscious mind can conjure?

Hoping it's not too late to dip a toe into this pool of excellent thoughts,

Peter

The few times that I've tried to "design" the whole dream scene, I found it was too much to keep running in my conscious mind, and it usually leads to me waking up. I think that on some levels, it's like the functioning of the physical body - if we had to concentrate our attention on every thing that happens, keeping our intestines moving in peristaltic waves while maintaining appropriate heartbeat rhythm and willing every breath - we'd fall over dead if we tried to speak! I think that the dream world is often run as a "background" program, utilizing resources that we can't fully tap into. I find that I can have input, and change some things and influence some aspects, but I can't reroute the whole program.

I'll try to be as short as possible. Ralf, you understood my words literally, but there is another point.

It is not a question that You will just "disappear" as you had never existed. You won't make "POOF!" and dissapear.

What others think of you and what you think of others, makes you a Living PERSON, a human being. Do we exist? Can you name yourself? Are you real? If we ask ourselves that question, we will give the direct answer: "YES". But what if no one knows you, nobody thinks of you, nobody even cares for you? What if the others pass before you like you were a lamp-pole? The opinions of your family, friends, the people who KNOW of you, give you the very identity of yourself. WE ARE NOT PERCEIVED AS WE THINK, BUT AS THE OTHERS SEE US. Just think. IN USA there is a witness protection program. If you are under the protection of goverment, they will change your identity completely, as you had never existed. YOU WILL BECOME ANOTHER PERSON. You will be "YOU", but the others won't perceive you as "YOU". YOU WILL BECOME A HAS-BEEN. This is a very simplified explanation of ourselves and our being. This is no place, and there is no room for philosophical discussion like this.

When I asked KEELIN, I asked MYSELF also. We exist because others want us to exist.The picture that we have been seeing each they is very subjective. It is not objective, it is a subjective one. The philosophy of existentialism ( A. CAMUS, Sartre) is based on the fact that everything is relative. THE HUMAN as a being exist and will cease to exist if he fades from memory. The memory of one's being keeps him existing. His existance is his will and the will of the others who create that reality. I mentioned above. The people in my dreams exist because they have not faded from my memory when I was not Lucid. What is reality? Do we know reality? Don't you think this world that we perceieve COULD BE someone's dream. There is a thin line between reality and dreams If we presume everything is relative.

The point is: WE EXIST AS LONG AS WE ARE REMEMBERED. BEING REMEMBERED, BEING IN SOMEONE'S MEMORY MAKES US EXIST. EVERYTHING WILL CEASE TO EXIST EVENTUALLY. BUT THE MEMORY WILL NOT. BEING YOU AS THE WORD ON PAPER IS NOT YOU. BUT BEING REMEMBERED AS YOU ONCE WERE(PERCEIVED) MAKES YOU STILL EXIST.

Nenad:

No matter how humble or ignored a lamp post might be, doesn't it still exist as an object in physical space? Isn't a person, regardless of who remembers him, and even if he's forgotten himself, still a living breathing person?

Reality can't be abandoned simply because a person's identity has been forgotten. By the same token, reality cannot be created simply because an imagined, dreamed, identity floats in your memory. Be very careful about who you deem real, or unreal, when dreaming -- confusion in such matters can produce strong negative results in the waking world.

And now I must become moderator and politely mention that this thread has nothing to do with flying techniques -- sorry!

Peter

Peter, my world has some contour. I would need to open another post called "DREAMWORLD CHARACTERS,PLACES AND NAMES" if I wanted to explain it further. It is pretty complicated and if you were a movie director I would give you a very good story to make a blockbuster. As I could see, reading your profile you have a knack for writing, so i suppose I could;-))

I have thought of fully creating my dreams but at this point they are somehow shaped. They are not "bordered", but there are some distinct places, people, modalities, things, ..etc that "LIVE" in my dream world. For example, if you read my post above you could see the thing called "B SHIFTING".(read above) Also, there is a place called "DUNDEE VALLEY" where all hyper-jumping vehicles go when you want to travel wherever you want for app.15 sec. FOR EXAMPLE: I had a vehicle called BATTERY CAR. When you enter the vehicle(it is not big), you type the correct name of the place you would like to visit. Then you start your engine. When you accelerate to app. 250 kmp/h (kilometers per hour, european speed measure unit) you instantly jump to DUNDEE VALLEY, and you can see all other vehicles who are sharing the same power, patroling the VALLEY. For app. 15 sec you are transported to the designated place. I was visiting MICKEY MOUSE in DISNEYLAND, I went to Egypt.... The BATTERY CAR dissapeared long ago, but 2 months ago I discovered a motorcycle which has the same power BATERRY CAR had.

There were many people, and enemies constantly living in my dream world. In a complex dream called " THE HISTORY OF EVIL" I had found out their roots and how they became to exist in my world. THE NANNAH was my enemy when I was young ( 5 years old). When I was 10 I destroyed her existence in a dream called "NANNAH's END). There was always a CORRECT PATTERN that was showing when NANNAH was about to enter my dreamworld and haunt me. First, at sudden the rain starts to fall, then the TV in the house shows blank screen, which is followed by sweet music. Then NANNAH shows herself. She was always taking the form of my mother. But she was black, angry, and sinister, her face always had a distinct evil appearance. No matter what I dreamt of, be it nice or just a regular dream, when I noticed that PATTERN I was immediately hiding myself from the impending evil...

It is only 1% of my experience..When I destroyed some of the evil characters in my dreams, they never showed again. Some of the ex-evil characters are nowdays friends of mine, and they still live in my dreamworld, giving me advices even for real life.

Nenad

Another thing, Peter you should have read a classic novel called " THE STRANGER" from Albert Camus, or some great philosophical stuff from Frederich Sartre.Only then You could understand what I meant. But this has nothing to do with FLYING.

Dear Nenad

"WE ARE NOT PERCEIVED AS WE THINK, BUT AS THE OTHERS SEE US."

I agree with that.

Please excuse me for taking that wordly what you said. Now I see, that you have a very differentiated view on the subject.

I don't have much time this morning, but it was important for me to say that.

Maybe get back to that later

Ralf

"WE EXIST AS LONG AS WE ARE REMEMBERED. BEING REMEMBERED, BEING IN SOMEONE'S MEMORY MAKES US EXIST. EVERYTHING WILL CEASE TO EXIST EVENTUALLY. BUT THE MEMORY WILL NOT. BEING YOU AS THE WORD ON PAPER IS NOT YOU. BUT BEING REMEMBERED AS YOU ONCE WERE(PERCEIVED) MAKES YOU STILL EXIST."

Hello Nena.

Doesn´t this all depend on what we mean by us? If the beliefs we/others have about ourself are us,or if these are only the stuff that distorts what we really are.

If what is remembered where never really us, why would it makes us still exist when we´re gone?

take care, Jon

Nenad:

I am very familiar with Camus and Sartre (and Heidegger, and Kafka, and Kant, etc.), and I do understand your point. What I offered were questions and thoughts in response to your point, with the intent of propelling discussion back toward the experience of lucid dreaming.

That is, after all, why we're all here.

Peter

Yes,

I think we should stick to the main question. I am glad I have been talking to the educated men, so thank you for taking a part in discussion about existencialism. I had a LD last night. It may be interesting,I'll post it later.

Hello to Thomas and everyone,

Today in my LD (DILD), I remembered Thomas' advice for flying SUPERMAN STYLE. I arched my back, and my point of view was a building in front of me. I focused the building, and got aloft. I didn't generate great speed, in fact I was flying pretty normally. I focused out a point in front of me, but nothing specially happened. I switched then to BREAST STROKE SWIMMING STYLE, and generated a little higher speed. Maybe the trick is that first you need to generate great speed then sustain it by focusing out a point in front of your body( SUPERMAN STYLE)

I will keep trying...

Nenad

Nenad, Have you tried using the false gravity to generate speed yet? This really works well. Find a high spot and dive off head first with absolutly no intention to fly. If you're like me you'll fall like a rock. After you generate a lot of speed, then arch your back to change your course of direction and place your focus out in front of you. You should be able to experience the superman style with this method.

Good Luck, Thomas

I see. I will try that. Thanx for advice Thomas.

Hi Thomas,

yesterday I tried yo use false gravity to generate speed. I found the high spot, the sea was beneath me. I jumped off from a cliff( app. 8m high). I was falling like a rock, but just before I touched the sea I arched my back and flew away.

Thank you for your advice

Nenad