I have not yet tried the Nova Dreamer, but have read how effective it has been in creating lucid dreams. I hope to experiment with it at one of the Kalani Retreats. If it does work as well as claimed, the pricing of $500 or so does not seem all that expensive when you compare how much it would cost you to take a trip physically; airfare, lodging, meals, car rental, etc. Lucid Dreaming provides you with all sensory functionality and mobility in a more vivid nature. No trip or recreation can compare to that once mastered. Thank you for reading.
Does anyone know about the new [dream maker?] Has anyone tryed it yet? Hey Paul! Remember when you said in a post how nice it would be if you could hook recorded sound into the nova dreamer? From what I read this machine can do that and It uses something called [EMG] [electromyography] to sense facial tension?? instead of bouncing a light beam off your eye lids to detect [REM] I read this add at {www.wellnesstools.com/dreammaker.php} Just looking for a consumer report on this new devise...thanks..Tom
Hi Tom -
The new widget appears to be a combination of a "sound & light machine" + EMG Biofeedback. Though I have not yet tried the product, I don't think you can identify "rapid eye movements" simply by muscular tension. I suppose the tool could try to detect muscular contractions at the eye and interpolate what it believes to be REM, but the approach in my opinion is suspect. Though the Nova is no longer in production, I hope we'll see a follow on product that provides more value and has proven REM detection capabilties as well as Reality Testing and feedback modes.
If you decide to purchase the wellness product, let me know what you think - I'm curious.
Cheers, Dominick
Tom, where can I read about this device? I'm familiar with a product a Japanese company, Takara, was going to produce that uses sight, sound, and smell to program dreams. If you're interested, see article at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3395505.stm
However, I don't think they ever released it.
Paul
Oops, Tom, I see your post had the address. I should read everything before replying.
Paul
Tom, I read the article. I small a rat! Why is there no picture of the device? No links or testimonials? Sounds a little like the Euro version of the ND ad. Who is Bruce, anyway? Does anyone know him?
Paul
Paul..I just discovered it my self..It sounds like a super machine... If you read it it says their video is coming very soon..They claimed to been in contact with [LI].. I myself am a little leary of putting my credit card number out on the internet.. But It didnt say that was nessasary??One thing was interesting they said with package you get [LI] s book on lucid dreaming? It may be on the level... Im just waiting to hear consumer reports on it.. I hope its real.. Be carefull..Tom
Hi Paul and Tom and Dominick,
I didn't realize that the Nova Dreamer was not in production anymore. In the write up about the Kalani Retreat in July 2005, it references trying one out. I just assumed we could purchase it.
Dominick,
Does the LI have any Induction Devices for Sale and is there a phone number to call to place the order as well as pictures, success rate, how to use etc. website link? Thanks,Patricia
Check this thread out.
http://www.novadreamer.com/discus/messages/442/2006.html?
It looks like there is a great deal of potential for the Yume Tsukuri Koujo, but what si still missing is the detection of REM. If they added that one feature, this would be an awesome product.
Dear Dreamers,
As mentioned previously, The Lucidity Institute is simply sold out of NovaDreamers*, and rather than invest in another run of the current model, TLI is working on a revised version which would be both improved and less expensive. We hope to have this new model in production in the near future. If you've signed onto our mailing list, we'll be sure to let you know as soon as it becomes available.
In general, we suggest a cautionary approach to purchasing any lucid dream induction device. Products should include documented evidence of their performance.
Sweet lucid dreams to all! Keelin
*During the Dreaming and Awakening retreat, we'll be using the NovaDreamers we've retained for our training programs.
That is very good news that a new version of the NovaDreamer is in the works. Is there a sneak peak of features that we might expect or somewhere that we can suggest features?
Keelin, do you think the new version will have tape or CD playback capabilities?
Paul
Thank you Gordon for the link. Very interesting! That would bet the ultimate LD invention!
Hi Keelin,
Great that you are working on a new LD Device!!I have already enrolled in the Mailing List so I should see all the details when it is ready for purchase.
Do you have or thought of devising Subliminal Lucid Dreaming Tapes that one could hear consciously say under the guise of Wind, Rain, Soothing Sounds or Music. Could be played while going about your normal routine and then take in subconsiously without much effort resulting in increased Lucid Dreaming Activity at night.
Patricia
Gordon, the link I mentioned on the 18th is about the same product. I don't believe it's available yet, and it's been a year since Takara announced it. I don't believe it's intended as an LD induction device at all, rather it's a dream incubation device. It's supposed to allow you to program dream content.
Paul
Several shops are selling it in Japan for about $150 US. And you're right Paul. Its not a LD induction device, just a dream incubator. Also as Keelin cautioned, its not based on solid testing or science. Takara is a toy company that made the Bow-lingual and Meow-lingual, devices that interpret your pets voice into human language. Actually a bit better than they sound, because they use pretty advanced algorithms like those used in speech recognition, but the reality is nowhere near the hype.
Check out the GROOVY flash presentation for the Yumemi Koubou (DreamView Studio).
http://www.takaratoys.co.jp/yumemikoubou/family/index.html
Click on the individual family members to see how the "DreamView Studio" will allow them to make their dreams come true. : ) Its all in Japanese, but you'll get the idea.
Weirdness level: 7
For those asking about the Wellness Tools Dream Maker, I actually did order one but they keep delaying the shipping so we'll see if I actually get it. It was preorder $200 so if I don't receive it, I'll have to go through my credit card company to deny the payment.
Keelin told me the company did actually contact TLI about marketing, etc so that claim was true. I'm hoping it isn't a scam as I'd like to get a device to test.
The CEO contacted me today to say it would be shipping by the end of the month so they have another week. We'll see....
If I receive it, I'll leave my impressions. I had already posted a new thread on this to see if anyone else had ordered it.
I haven't been able to find a decent price on a Nova Dreamer so figured I'd try this to see if it worked. I'll be very happy when they come up with the new model as I'm sure it will be good.
Dear Oneironauts,
For clarity's sake: TLI was indeed contacted several months ago by the CEO of Wellness Tools who expressed interest in becoming a distributor for the NovaDreamer. When that didn't work out, we received word that he would be marketing his own device.
While I've not actually seen this product, by description it would appear to be a combination of a sound and light machine with EMG Biofeedback (as Dominick noted in his message posted Jan 18, 2005). One might wonder where the research data is to support the claim of reliability over the NovaDreamer. :?
Meanwhile, to reiterate, TLI is working on an updated version of the NovaDreamer. Thank you to all of our dedicated oneironuats who have continued to offer innovative ideas and feedback on what you'd like to see in the new model. Sorry, no sneak peeks available yet, but rest assured, we'll let you all know when the new version is released!
Brilliant dream wishes to all, Keelin
I talked to Bruce on his [800] number for over an hour about his product. Im In [Boulder colorado]I discovered hes only 100 miles from me in Colorado Springs.. he seemed like a nice fellow.. He claimes to have improved the [IR] eye scanning part of the mask?? But he also said the part that scans [facial tension] he had second thoughts about and might not include this in the dream maker? He claims dream maker has the ability to play a recorded message to the dreamer.. There is no proof that this is any better than [ND].. Anyway time will tell.. mabey Murray can give us a [consumer report} on it.. Personaly MY VISION of a perfect dream induction device would be....[You wear nothing on your head at all!!]] The brain box would hang over the head of the bed or on a wall..It would continusley scan your eye movements like nova dreamer as you sleep with a auto tracking device with [IR]scan and night vision camera..Your computer is conected to this box to take datta as the night progresses. If you were to turn your head from side to side out of alighnment of main camera..the computer would switch to diferent tiny relay camera lenses with [IR] beams directed with the acuracy of a lazer at your closed eyes placed at many diferent angles in the room..When the computer detects your in [REM] It sets off a series of high powered strobe lights placed strategecly around the room in front of diferent mirrors at precise angles..You can easyley adjust the light intensity berore bed..But warning..IF strobe intensity is too high with all the mirrors... your room may become the inside of an atom.. Science fiction theater sighning off..Good Night All..
Dear Tom,
Any LDID that is not significantly improved over the ND is probably a bad investment. If Bruce's Dream Maker is better than the ND it should be obvious from the sales literature. Someone already has a patent on a device similar to what you envisioned. In fact they have two patents. Go to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html and do a keyword search on Lucid AND Dream. The patent numbers are 6,575,895 and 6,540,664. LaBerg's 1996 LDID patent is also there (5,507,716) Take a look.
Regards,
Scot Stride
Oops, that's Laberge...sorry Stephen.
Regards,
Scot Stride
I'm not sure if Bruce's Dream Maker is better than the ND but his preorder price is $200 so I thought it worth a look (seeing how ND's can cost well over $400 when you can find one now).
Hi Scott. Your right.. nova dreamer is the best [LDID] on the market infact it was an extreemly smart invention..I only wish the makers of [ND] would have given more thought to light sleepers like myself. From my experiance with my [ND] it just wakes me up over 90 percent of the time.. At first it wasnt like that..But I must admit it still helps with dream recall whenever I get a dry spell..But my dream recall is pretty regular and stable latley.Ive got to the point where I automaticly wake during or after each dream. I wonder if I took a [melatonin] sleep aid with {ND} what would that be like? Also the fictional [LDID] I envisioned is already a reality you say? Wow! I must read about this masterpeice.. Thanks for your response..cool dreams..Tom..
Dear All,
I've been reading up on the DreamMaker (DM) in the LD4All forum and many of the people who bought it are dissatisfied. There is one posting from a guy who bought one who owned an ND and he gives a blow-by-blow comparison. What stands out is the DM seems to use many more ICs compared to the ND. In fact, I question whether the DM even has a microcontroller since one of it's features is low EM emissions because it does not have a 4MHz clock. IMO, that is not a selling point, saying what it doesn't have.
Another admission by the designers is it took 2 months from design to fabrication of the unit. That really sounds like a rush job with very little time to solve design flaws. It's also pretty expensive for what you get, up to $1000 for the deluxe version. With the falling prices of consumer electronics a realistic base price of $100 for the next generation of ND (ND-II) is reasonable.
It seems no one who's a member of TLI forum bought one of the DMs, letting other people be the guinea pigs. There is a lesson learned here somewhere...if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Regards,
Scot Stride
Hi,
Not sure where best to post this but...I have a boxed Nova Dreamer for sale in the UK (but will post worldwide). I've not used for a year now, so figured it's time to let someone else benefit from it! If anyone is interested please email me for full details, photo, and price at: carolineneedham@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks, Caroline.
Nova dreamer for sale.
For those looking, there's a Nova Dreamer up for grabs on UK ebay at the moment:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOVADREAMER-Lucid-dream-machine-NOVA-DREAMER-RARE_W0QQitemZ5637345638QQcategoryZ1523QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Hope that's of use to somebody.